dagblog - Comments for "Do voters like moderate messages more?"

If you think Maddow at the

artappraiser — Wed, 29 Nov 2023 18:35:45 +0000

In reply to Do voters like moderate messages more?

If you think Maddow at the American Historical Association is unrelated to the collapse of academia I think that is mistaken. If your pov and work is ripe for corporate media promotion, it's "marketable." The rest of you are out of luck. pic.twitter.com/SgVReMP3JY
— Sam Haselby (@samhaselby) November 29, 2023

I’m making an even narrower

artappraiser — Wed, 29 Nov 2023 02:52:59 +0000

In reply to Do voters like moderate messages more?

I’m making an even narrower claim than that, namely that to *secure funding for humanities education* you need to appeal to mainstream political values rather than leftist ones.
— Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias) November 26, 2023

Yes it's true: some are

artappraiser — Sat, 18 Nov 2023 01:05:02 +0000

In reply to Do voters like moderate messages more?

Yes it's true: some are trying so hard to make Biden look senile, that more than a few instead appear demented themselves

The best proof of Biden’s senility is that he answered a question accurately. https://t.co/eY88ET1V0i
— Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias) November 17, 2023

^ note 57% of registered

artappraiser — Tue, 07 Nov 2023 21:25:32 +0000

In reply to This is a very enlightening

^ note 57% of registered voters think Biden is more liberal than them (60% for Kamala Harris)

and

60% think the national Democratic Party is more liberal than them!!!

This is a very enlightening

artappraiser — Tue, 07 Nov 2023 20:33:45 +0000

In reply to Do voters like moderate messages more?

This is a very enlightening basic question. https://t.co/Cc2bOJuDN8 pic.twitter.com/4GUTcL4sXV
— Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias) November 7, 2023

I suspect that a lot of the

artappraiser — Sun, 05 Nov 2023 07:43:17 +0000

In reply to Do voters like moderate messages more?

I suspect that a lot of the "find commonality somehow" problem Obama mentions here can be solved by ranked choice voting. It's just that simple! It matters less then which (splintered) politIcal party candidates are 'in', as voters in the end choose candidates from where they stand on a liberal-to-conservative continuum. In most cases, will end up being moderate. But if a district ALREADY has a 'commonality- more left or right and/or tribal group, then that will show too.

I don’t know about “every damn time,” but I certainly agree—emphatically, wholeheartedly, and unabashedly—with every word Obama says in this clip. https://t.co/KzeLZWS3OK
— Angel Eduardo (@StrangelEdweird) November 5, 2023

This is stupid fucking shrill

PeraclesPlease — Thu, 02 Nov 2023 10:43:19 +0000

In reply to Not convinced she's right

This is stupid fucking shrill. Obviously the obnoxious over-the-top pro-Palestinian/anti-Jew/Israel demonstrations are unsettling (esp if Jewish), but 1) there's reasonable cause for ddisatisfaction how Bibi's ignored making progress with the Palestinian issue over say 15 years, and 2) it's hardly an "entre generation" unless you think Brooklyn represents the US, so can the hyperbole generators like Abigail STFU already? Yeah, I don like how many of these protesters skipped the acknowledgment of the awfulness of Oct7 (and the kidnapping uncertainty after as the one mother noted). But I also see the horrid news from Sudan, Haiti, Ukraine, Pakistan (Afghani refugees on border), anti-Muslim and anti-caste treatment in India, Armenia-Azeri Nagorno(?) fight... to know that focus on 1 situation only with relative complaisance elsewhere, including what starts to look like anachronistic anti-Jewish pogroms globally (obnoxious threatening, not so much to deaths aside from Oct7) is typical purist left behavior.

I bitterly remember Hillary

PeraclesPlease — Thu, 02 Nov 2023 10:30:43 +0000

In reply to [....] Another area where

I bitterly remember Hillary getting blasted or her "safe, legal and rare" formulation by the pro-abortion left. While I think my focus on abortion mostly (92-95%?) by the pill latest 10 weeks is reasonably & easily doable, who knows in 10 years we discover fetuses are much more lifelike at 6-7 weeks than we know now to moderate approach? Why is the thought that "moderate chance of pregnancy by reasonably available methods" so objectionable?

Not convinced she's right

artappraiser — Wed, 01 Nov 2023 05:23:56 +0000

In reply to Do voters like moderate messages more?

Not convinced she's right about Jews, but the popularity with the younger generation is definitely something to think about

This is key -- it's really the first time in the age of mass communications that adversaries of the United States have had messaging supremacy within the United States proselytizing directly to American youth. It's a major coup and it happened without anyone noticing. https://t.co/gC7NgudH4U
— Wesley Yang (@wesyang) October 31, 2023

[....] Another area where

artappraiser — Tue, 31 Oct 2023 13:08:28 +0000

In reply to Do voters like moderate messages more?

[....] Another area where this came up recently on Slow Boring is abortion.

I noted in a past post that in an unscripted moment, Biden reverted to the old-fashioned Catholic Dem message of saying that he was opposed to abortion as a matter of religious faith but supported freedom of choice as a question of public policy. My claim was that more Democrats should consider using this more moderate framing of the pro-choice position. For my trouble, of course, I got slagged on Twitter because everyone knows abortion rights are a winning issue for Democrats.

And they absolutely are. But when we tested a moderate “personally opposed”/“safe, legal, and rare” message against “abortion is a fundamental human right,” it seems like the moderate message does better [....]

[....]

Wither “the groups”

So what gives? Why don’t Democrats do this?

I know that on climate, the White House claims to believe that one of their political problems is young people not being sufficiently aware of how much Biden has done to address the climate crisis. I don’t understand what information they have received makes them think that. As far as I can tell, everyone in the progressive universe has seen the same data I have saying the most popular parts of the IRA are the health provisions, but people have heard about those less than they’ve heard about climate.

On abortion, conversely, I know that the pro-choice groups have made a concerted effort over the years to purge the party of this kind of wishy-washy language because they felt it in some sense “validated” Targeted Restrictions on Abortion Providers. The way these TRAP laws work is that instead of saying “oh abortion is illegal now,” you place unreasonable bad-faith regulatory burdens on abortion clinics to try to make them impossible to operate. The argument that someone using wishy-washy rhetoric while re-affirming their commitment to Roe somehow causes TRAP laws to pass never really made sense to me. But at a time when abortion is completely banned across huge swathes of the country, I’m also not sure that’s really the relevant consideration. Abortion rights has been a big lift to Democrats in certain places, but not big enough to suddenly turn Texas into a blue state or to win senate races in Iowa. So if you actually want to protect abortion rights, you need a broader message.

But beyond that, I don’t understand why it would be bad to offer voters multiple conceptual paths to the pro-choice outcome. I don’t have any religious objections to abortion, so I really don’t care, but there are a lot of Democrats (particularly Black and Hispanic ones) who are likely to hear anti-abortion messages at church, and letting them know that they are welcome in the coalition seems clearly good.

It seems to me that what we’re really dealing with here is the mysterious psychic power of the groups [....]