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Wrong again,

clearthinker — Fri, 27 Jun 2008 09:22:50 +0000

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Wrong again, bee.

Concentration of power at the White House executive level and talk of co-presidency (TWICE!) is dynasty politics.

Keep living with the fantasies about how YOU are part of the worker's movement via your father. Sloganeer away, angry bee.

And just to clarify for the

dijamo — Thu, 26 Jun 2008 20:46:23 +0000

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And just to clarify for the record, I chose Hillary because of policy not gender. If Obama was running against any other woman candidate, I would have chosen him (after John Edwards of course whose policies I also prefer to Obama). That said, if Hillary was NOT my candidate of choice, I would still be outraged at the sexist attacks in the media ignored by the party leaders and actively participated in by some democrats. It's called a principled position - sexism is wrong or it isn't regardless of whether you actually like the person. If that's what you consider absolutist, then you got me pegged.

1. Fleur De Sel Haagen Daaz

dijamo — Thu, 26 Jun 2008 18:29:49 +0000

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1. Fleur De Sel Haagen Daaz was a limited reserve edition and I bought the only two pints I could find on SI. So cruel - it's like opening the gates of heaven for a brief second and then being returned to the banality of vanilla and chocolate and strawbery. Bleeech. I'm over it.

2. I ran on the treadmill with iPod set to livid and it helped some, but I'm still pissed.

3. Which brings to stage 3 of venting and explaing why I'm pissed. Maybe get it through the skulls of Obama folks that if the fight is now Obama and McCain, why the need to continue to swipe at Hillary? Why the need to antagonize HRC supporters rather than brining them together - even the ones who had already been in the acceptance phase? The only possible reason I can surmise is that their Hillary Hate is so much more important than...

4. NOT MCCAIN. Unity is a two way street and unless you start spouting lectures to those on your side of the fence continuing to seed divisions, then you are just another part of the problem.

5. Love is stronger than pride, but it is not stronger than respect. Contrary to popular opinion, I'm not the you need to kiss my ass type. I'm a person enjoys debating with people in a civilized manner (and verbal playfighting as well) and walk away at the end of the day knowing we fought the good fight and have mutual respect. I'm not the absolutist who sees all good or all bad in anyone...except quasar. She's equal opportunity asstastick as evidenced above and I'm sorry I didn't catch on sooner. Oh and other posters who turn civilized debate into hatemongering and race baiting that I shall not name here. I don't see that on the HRC side of the aisle (the real HRC supporters not the trolls) and I am wholly amazed that you guys have nothing to say to those folks and feel the need to lecture me about my unity crisis.

Respect is also understanding other people's point of view. Acknowledging sexism (even when you say it's not the reason Hillary lost) is a vctim's mentality? You are so right. A real victim just accepts the world as it is and all injustices and ignore them and continue forever because they can't challenge the system. A fighter is someone who looks at the system, sees the flaws and tries to correct them for the future.

It's not about Hillary - it's about what the democratic party stands for. And if the democratic party no longer stands for respect for women in the media, politics and in their membership, well then come out and say so. Otherwise accept the very valid criticism and make positive change in the future. The next female presidential candidate should not have to face what Hillary did and the democratic party needs to take a serious look internally and question why they chose to remain silent.

And FYI - Hillary's nobdoy's victim either.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/24/AR2008062401282_pf.html

The thing that seems to frustrate Obama supporters so much is they expected her to curl up into this woe is me ball of tears and she didn't. She defies this so-called victim mentality and yet still challenges the status quo not for herself, but for others to come. Hillary is my rock star.

Pelosi is a female victim passively accepting the sexism as something that does not need to be addressed for her or those to follow. Oh you know, sexism is just part of politics and why should anyone speak up against it? She's the Mean Girl who only cares about her own popularity and status and doesn't want to see anyone else challenge her for HWIC of the Democratic party. I don't have any respect for women accept the sexism that exists and expect other women to lie down and take it too.

So no you don't have to agree with me, but I expect to be respected. I don't agree with those who think Bill Clinton was a race baiting grand wizard of the KKK, but I respect their right to perceive the situation differently than I do. It's called treating others with empathy and respect. Real unity does not happen without it.

By the way, for those who may

hrebendorf — Thu, 26 Jun 2008 15:34:02 +0000

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By the way, for those who may be offended by my characterization of politics as a man's game: that was for dijamo's ears. She's an absolutist, so I'm forced to put things in ridiculously stark terms in order to communicate what I mean. I don't really think politics is a man's game. I think it's a hu-man's game. But hu-mans tend to place gender issues in perspective. Mans and wo-mans tend to get all bent out of shape about gender issues. And they're no fun to play with. Hu-mans are funner. According to the kitty-bunner.

dijamo, when you are attacked

hrebendorf — Thu, 26 Jun 2008 15:13:50 +0000

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dijamo, when you are attacked without mercy, that is a sign of respect. We are treating you as an equal. If we treat you with deference, you may take that as a sign that we are being tolerant. Tolerance is the ultimate expression of contempt. Tolerance is the attitude of Royals toward commoners. If we treat you with deference, it means we believe we are better than you.

Hillary was treated with absolute respect. If the press had put on kid gloves when dealing with her, that would have been a sign of disrespect. She enjoyed the same contempt, abuse and derision that any man would have received. Men treat each other in exactly the same way as they treated Hillary. They give each other shit. They call each other names. Hillary got treated like one of the guys. She got the full locker room treatment. When the guys treat you like one of the guys, that means they like you. It means they respect you. It means they think you can hold your own. It means they're not going easy on you because you're a girl. If they mind their manners, it means they're being tolerant.

I've always believed that the main reason dogs and cats don't get along is because when a cat wags its tail, it means it's angry. When a dog does it, it means exactly the opposite. This is a communications problem. It's not a sexism problem.

The reason men and women play sports in separate leagues is because men and women play by different rules. Women don't want to put up with the "foul" behavior of men, and men don't want to have to mind their manners. Politics is a male dominated sport. Women are welcome to play as long as they don't complain about the the way the game is played. It's OUR game. We started it, and we own it. That's a fact. When women get a majority, they can write the rules. Until then, get in line, sister.

Maybe we should have gender-based political parties as well. We could have a president for the women and another one for the men. Would that make you happy? Would that be fair?

Jeez. I just read your

hrebendorf — Thu, 26 Jun 2008 14:45:30 +0000

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Jeez. I just read your comment again. "Two petty females." If you were a man, I'd call you a misogynist prick. Fucking Shriner.

I like your female/woman

hrebendorf — Thu, 26 Jun 2008 14:38:05 +0000

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I like your female/woman dichotomy. Very clever. So a female is like a dog, right? The classic definition of a bitch? Because a mere female hasn't yet raised herself up to the level of being a real woman? Is that how you see it? In other words, we aren't born with honor and dignity and relevance--we have do do something to earn those things. See, to me that's standard victim mentality. While Carly Fiorina runs companies and gets hired and fired for her work and not her gender and Nancy Pelosi serves as the most feckless Speaker of the House in recent memory--but not because she's a woman, but only because she sucks--it doesn't really matter because they're mere females. Hillary is a woman, and that's why she can claim victimhood. Because she raised herself up, and they knocked her down. So unfair. They disrespected her. They didn't give her her due as a real woman. They treated her like a female. Fuckers. She never had a chance in the first place, right? Because society is SO AGAINST HER.

I think I understand. Hillary inspires you, but it's not because of her ideas. It's because she's a woman. Not a female. A Woman. She's raised herself up. That's really sad, dijamo. You've made yourself into a victim, and you think you're a hero.

I am livid that you have the

hrebendorf — Thu, 26 Jun 2008 14:21:08 +0000

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I am livid that you have the nerve to address me whith your unity bullshit and not look in the mirror at yourself and those seeding dissension on the Obama side.

What you're perhaps missing, dijamo, is that there is no longer an "Obama side". The race for the nomination is OVER. Finished. Done. Finito. Complete. There is no Hillary side. No Obama side. Just our candidate and the other candidate. And the other candidate, my dear, is NOT Hillary. It is John McCain. And he is a shriveled little pimp who calls his wife a c*nt in front of friends and wants to continue the destruction of our country a la George W. Bush. So buys your ticket and makes your choice. But please put to rest the notion that Hillary is one of your choices. She's back in the Senate. She's no longer a candidate.

As for for the party unity bullshit, that's about getting along with the party--not me or any other Obama supporter. I like to think--no, wait, I like to KNOW FOR A FACT--that if Hillary had won the nomination, I would be doing 100% less whining than you, and I would NEVER claim that Obama had lost because of racism.

I'm not saying I'm better than you, dijamo. Just less of a big, fat, spoiled baby.

That said he doesn't have a

hrebendorf — Thu, 26 Jun 2008 14:11:03 +0000

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That said he doesn't have a chance in hell of winning with the party this divided which is why it is so nonsensical that some Obama supporters want to deepen the chasm rather than build a bridge.

Build a bridge? Is that all you're asking us to do? Gee, I had it all wrong then. I thought you wanted us to kiss your ass and tell you it tasted like candy.

dijamo, I read some very good

hrebendorf — Thu, 26 Jun 2008 14:07:49 +0000

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dijamo, I read some very good advice recently that I think might serve you well at this point:

1. Fleur de Sel Caramel Ice Cream - Haagen Dazs. Instant nirvana.

2. Run on treadmill with iPod set to ANGRY. My personal faves are List of Demands (Reparations) - Saul Williams and Killing in the Name of - Rage Against The Machine set on repeat for 45 minutes (cool down to Eye of the Tiger as always :)). Alternate with kickboxing class. Instead of doing your usual visulaizations of the final battle scene in The Karate Kid, picture landing a roundhouse kick to Howard Dean or whomever has offended you most that day. Bonus - this helps counteract overindulgence of #1.

3. Come to TPM to express your anger and outrage. Some would say we should just bottle up my disappointments and sweep them under the rug. I respectfully disagree. So please engage others and tell them why your so pissed. Please note engaging in actual dialogue means acknowleding and listening to other points of view so that you can tell them exactly why they are an idiot or assacious. Verbal body slams and jousting helps us to vent our frustrations in a positive manner. And sometimes even in disagreement we find common ground in our core beliefs. Makes you realize that democrats are not as divided as we tought.

4. Remember what this election is all about: NOT MCCAIN

5. After you've vented your anger & come to the realization of what's most important, go back to your iPod to the mellow songs and play Love is Stronger than Pride.