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Let me clarify one thing

Karl the Marxist — Wed, 29 Jul 2009 00:08:52 +0000

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Let me clarify one thing further on a hunch: even if Crowley and you think that his conduct was sufficient to indicate that he did not think Gates was a criminal, you are wrong. I do not buy that explanation to begin with, but granting the premise, most civilians in a similar surprising or angering situation will not understand such subtle clues.

...But "that info did not

Karl the Marxist — Tue, 28 Jul 2009 23:53:49 +0000

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...But "that info did not make it's way to Crowley"? Your itemised point does not make any sense, as written.

As I pointed out earlier, actually asking Gates whether he had gotten locked out off the bat (when the old guy did not take off running at the sight of a cop) would probably have changed the entire dynamic of the situation, but I do not really feel like rehashing whether it is appropriate to arrest people for not being sufficiently deferential to the police.

1. From the beginning of this

Karl the Marxist — Tue, 28 Jul 2009 23:17:08 +0000

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1. From the beginning of this whole thing, I've said the officer approached the situation much more carefully than normal procedures dictate (probably because the caller was unsure whether it was a break-in or the person lost their keys or whatever). But that info did not make it's way to Crowley via the dispatcher.

You probably want to rephrase or -think this one.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/

Jon Wisby — Tue, 28 Jul 2009 22:42:12 +0000

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullshit

Excellent analysis.

rmrd0000 — Tue, 28 Jul 2009 15:58:18 +0000

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Excellent analysis.

Why would Ms Whaley speaking

kgb999 — Tue, 28 Jul 2009 08:52:19 +0000

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Why would Ms Whaley speaking with a different officer have any bearing on what appears in Crowley's report? Certainly you aren't implying that Crowley mistook Figueroa for Ms Whaley?

We're not talking about elapsed days here, or even hours. This conversation was written in an incident report. The statement is either dishonest or based on disorientation of the memory. In neither case can Crowley be given the benefit of the doubt any longer on the remainder of the report without plausible explanation both of the mistake and why it should not impact the view of the rest of his narrative.

First blame the victim, then we blame the concerned citizen. How many scapegoats are we going to sacrifice? Ms. Whaley is not the one who needs to answer more questions here.

I think a simple "That's

kgb999 — Tue, 28 Jul 2009 08:41:07 +0000

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I think a simple "That's BULLSHIT" is all she owes anyone. If someone needs to clarify it's "Let's just get a beer and forget everything" Crowley. Let's call on Superfuzz to explain this apparent discrepancy - WE'RE buying him a fucking beer for chrissake, least he can do is clarify how this is possible.

If HE wants to call her a liar, let him do it. Until then, the ball is in Crowley's court.

Figueroa walks in to Gates'

rmrd0000 — Tue, 28 Jul 2009 07:51:09 +0000

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Figueroa walks in to Gates' house, and finds an uncooperative man yelling at Crowley. Figueroa is so concerned about the situation that Carlos Figueroa he walks out to get information from Ms Whaley.

Ms Whaley says that she never talked to Crowley. why would Ms Whaley not tell the truth?

If Crowley is not telling the truth about talking to a witness, can we trust hi version of what the exchange was between the Sgt and Prof Gates?

Is it possible Crowley "dry-labbed" his interview with Whaley? Did he and Figueroa combine information to make a script work better?

Exactly, oceankat. Her

acanuck — Tue, 28 Jul 2009 04:32:23 +0000

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Exactly, oceankat. Her statement (through her lawyer) that she had no conversation with Crowley calls the entirety of his arrest report into question.
I have no reason to doubt her or her lawyer, but her lawyer was not present at the scene of the non-crime.
I accept, jonnie, that Ms. Whalen has no legal obligation to say more -- but she's already come this far in putting the official police summary in doubt, she might as well go all the way.

If there is further action,

Jon Wisby — Tue, 28 Jul 2009 04:30:37 +0000

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If there is further action, I've always felt that in the end, Professor Gates would be making a large donation to a worthy charity (settled out of court).