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Those quotes were in response

JNagarya — Wed, 02 Dec 2009 05:17:09 +0000

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Those quotes were in response to the comment above it.

The CBO says the bill will result in reductions in the costs to consumers.

Meanwhile, it is wise to learn how legislatures function so you don't frustrate yourself by beating your head against your false assumptions on that point.

"Teach your children" I

JEP07 — Wed, 02 Dec 2009 00:42:55 +0000

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"Teach your children"

I have, and the grandchildren, too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQ4__d2BR4Q

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Asnz8-wHME0&feature=related

"Our subjagation has been, of

JEP07 — Wed, 02 Dec 2009 00:27:47 +0000

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"Our subjagation has been, of course, voluntary."

Sorry, but this is a lot of grousing with no answers.

The entire piece is prdcicated on all of us dumbly accepting this one statement of Oleeb untimate truth that can not be questioned..

"Our subjagation has been, of course, voluntary."

Not hardly. The subtle subterfuge that a pernicious few used to lead a stupified mob into political perdition was so sophisticated and so thoroughly managed, and so under-the-public-radar, only hindsight can recognize it's growing influence.

Many of us who voted for Obama don't feel as if we are yet subjugated, you can call us dupes for feeling that way, but you can't accuse us of being right wing lemmings, even if you think Obama is one.

I'm growing more concerned that we have some very well organized concern trolls working this blog, trying to discourage Democrats from taking part in the 2010 election.

If you really are the liberals you claim to be, consider your actions and the alternatives, both. If you are just here as posers, we'll root it out.

As with so much in our

TJ — Tue, 01 Dec 2009 19:28:37 +0000

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As with so much in our society, the formula for success is "go along to get along". I remember during the Chicago 7 trial/hearings Tom Hayden (I think) said something like, "We've already won, Senator, because you're going to die first". But then, you know, you have kids and a mortgage and yada yada and so just go along to get along. It happens. Sure, there are some who maintain their passion, and God bless them. But for most...well, you get my drift.

My own personal little epiphany was realizing that during the 60's, who would have ever believed that 40+ years later pot would still be illegal? But, here we are and I mean, here WE are. We were supposed to be the generation that our parents warned us about. And yet...

Of course you are right, doing beats talking anytime. And more importantly, doing something locally is ultimately where the action is. But it seems that the BIG fight is always co-opted, by money, by the need to take care of my family, by the desire to be more comfortable, etc.

I commend your fighting spirit. Teach your children.

"Most of us have been

JEP07 — Tue, 01 Dec 2009 19:17:54 +0000

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"Most of us have been brainwashed by the right."

If you mean the majority of Americans, OK, I agree, but that "most of us" just doesn't hold true for the people who lurk about TPM.

They wouldn't even be here if they were among the brainwashed mob.

Unless, of course, they are a troll for that mob.

...seriously, we've got lots

JEP07 — Tue, 01 Dec 2009 19:14:54 +0000

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...seriously, we've got lots of complaints floating around this thread, but where are the answers?

"quick to give up positions,

JEP07 — Tue, 01 Dec 2009 19:13:06 +0000

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"quick to give up positions, and even lose ground for a win."

Oxymoronish...

when you win, you are in a much better position to make those changes you had to compromise to get that win.

Again, "lets just snap our liberal fingers and everything will be as it should.."

And again, also, questions without answers.

Every "win" against the right, no matter how much was compromised to achieve it positions someone to make some real changes, and not just sit on the sidelines crying about it.

You'd be a great

JEP07 — Tue, 01 Dec 2009 19:08:07 +0000

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You'd be a great speechwriter!

If not for their union

JEP07 — Tue, 01 Dec 2009 19:06:38 +0000

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If not for their union workers, few of those billionaire robber barrons who hate unions so would be wealthy in the first place. Unions are the only instrument outside the ballot box that gives the middle class at least a modicum of control over their work situation.

But I think unions missed an opportunity in the past 50 years to help their members gain ownership of their own workplace.

Seriously, imagine how hard it would have been to move some of those companies offshore if a big portion of their shares were owned by their employees, who would lose their jobs if they voted to move.

I realize there are a lot of Grovers out there who consider employee ownership tantamount to communism, but theya are the corporate fascists,

The fact is, employees who own substantial shares in their own companies tend to be less likely to strike if they know that it would adversely influence their bottom line, and at the same time would be positioned to convince the other shareholders raise wages when the times are good.

But that would be an answer, not a complaint, and that is what we do her, right, complain?

Seriously, for all the grousing, I still haven't read any ideas to astually try ti fix it, just a lot of "WE need to fix this, cuz our government won't do it."

For some folks who think

JEP07 — Tue, 01 Dec 2009 18:54:47 +0000

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For some folks who think their opinions should translate magically into national policy, every compromise is "the last straw."

I personally believe the best way to make drastic change is to take the politicians out of DC and away from the K-Street vultures, at least make it hard for the carrion eaters to gather so much carrion into one easy ditch.

But for all the lamenting here, I am having rtrouble finding anyone with an answer instead of a complaint.