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It diminishes our soft power.

Libertine — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 07:07:16 +0000

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It diminishes our soft power. Our ability to be a moral leader in the world is undermined which damages our best interests and destabilizes the world.

Iraq and to a lesser extent Afghanistan, lesser since I believe we got the world's 'blessing' at the UN before that military action, has immeasurably damaged our standing in the world as has our foresaking of the rule of law when we disregarded habeus corpus also employing torture.

The damage goes so far beyond what money can measure. And attacking Iran would take us further down the unjustifiable and indefensible road we have been on since 2003. It will result in grave consequences for us over time. Among which will be more intense, extreme and numerically increasing numbers of people who want to kill Americans.

Thank you for that

matyra — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 06:34:29 +0000

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Thank you for that information--I learned quite a bit. But I'm still left wondering how Turkey would react to a nuclear Iran.

far reaching conspiracies,

JEP07 — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 02:09:53 +0000

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far reaching conspiracies, rather than garden variety incompetence or political pandering.
EDIT for clarity

Just "garden variety political conspiracies" is all that is necessary; they are always far reaching in this global war-economy.

And you are right, "Bush WAS a war criminal" is quite inaccurate;

...until some sort of international statute of limitations runs out, Bush IS a war criminal, in some places.

No "WAS" about it. Cheney even moreso.

Would they really bomb

JEP07 — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 02:01:30 +0000

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Would they really bomb Israel? So many say that is what we are trying to prevent, but isn't that their Holy Land, too?

Just what other targets might they really be looking at?

I read a theory that they want the ability to nuke our naval warships if they cluster nearby, to prevent an Iraq-style shock-and-awe bombardment, and since they don't consider the ocean holy, that is their real motive for building a nuke..

IF not Israel, what is their target? Again, I can't see them nuking ANYTHING between Egypt and Iran, they would face the wrath of their own faithful.

"Two events occurred last

JEP07 — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 01:54:56 +0000

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"Two events occurred last week that immediately disappeared from discourse once President Obama talked of a secret second nuclear site in Iran."

Actually there was a third. There was talk about ELIMINATING ALL NUCLEAR WEAPONS FROM THE EARTH!"

Queen Noor was eloquent and sincere on MSNBC, And Obama actually said it OUT LOUD, in a speech, that if we are serious about non-proliferation, we might achieve TOTAL elimination of nuclear weapons.

The obstacles we must overcome to reach this point are staggering, because in it's essence, this concept takes the world economy off the military auction block, and stabs-through the heart of the congressional-military-industrial complex.

And that is one beast that will not die easily. As the rhetoric for non-proliferation, especially talk of a world with zero-nukes heats up, beware the cornered beast.

But consider this; if the world was united to remove every nuclear weapon from existence, then they would also be united against any rogue nation that tried to create one. There would be no question about sanctions or intervention. Zero nukes means zero nukes.

As long as we and so many other nations harbor tens of thousands of deadly warheads, it only seems like sheer hypocrisy to struggling countries, when we so desperately attempt to prevent one more of them from harnessing that Promethean nightmare.

The Original Poster seems to

El Presidente — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 01:51:34 +0000

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The Original Poster seems to be under the mistaken impression that poor U.S. policy choices overseas are necessarily the result of far reachign conspiracies, rather than garden variety incompetence or political pandering.

Politicians act tough on Iran because it plays in Peoria, not on K Street.

And once again the tired and inaccurate "Bush was a war criminal" nonsense appears in these pages. I wonder if anyone has actually read the Geneva Convention.

If Iran gets a nuke what

JohnW1141 — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 01:41:35 +0000

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If Iran gets a nuke what would they do with it?

Two events occurred last week

letthesunshinein — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 01:28:01 +0000

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Two events occurred last week that immediately disappeared from discourse once President Obama talked of a secret second nuclear site in Iran.

First Israel was asked to open up its nuclear sites for inspection.

Second, and far more reprehensible was the UN report citing Israel for War Crimes in the Gaza.

The effect of Obama's shameless, sabre rattling against Iran was to deflect from those two events.

For the US and Obama to have any credibility re nuclear sites, they must take the same stand with all nations. The US and Obama must demand Israel submit to inspection by the IAEA.

And what of the Israel's War Crimes? When Libya's Ghaddafi spoke at the UN last week, some UN members (including the US) walked out because they thought a terrorist leader/nation should not have an audience. When Israel's Netanyahu spoke and tried to justify the War Crimes, there were no walk outs. Indeed the US is on record, through its UN ambassador, saying it does not accept the findings of the UN re Israel's War Crimes.

I for one believe in a world free of nuclear weapons. Iran should not get them and Israel should not have them. Open all sites to the IAEA.

War Crimes MUST be prosecuted. Israel and the Bush Administration must be prosecuted for War Crimes and Crimes against Humanity.

Iran is not a threat to the US. What is a threat to the US is when we as a nation turn a blind eye to War Crimes.

Turkey already has nuclear

Merrill — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 01:03:11 +0000

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Turkey already has nuclear weapons under the US/NATO weapons sharing arrangements. These are under control of US personnel in Turkey, and therefore the US asserts that this does not violate the non-proliferation treaty. However, if there is an attack on Turkey, a state of war would exist, in which case the US releases them for Turkish use.

See Nuclear sharing

Besides, there is the cost of

matyra — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 00:21:31 +0000

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Besides, there is the cost of war to think about.

And I'm just thinking money, not lives or lost possibilities or other the loss of other country's goodwill or the fiasco of being at war in 3 adjacent countries....