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Oleeb: Politico? Politico

kfreed — Thu, 20 Aug 2009 05:26:29 +0000

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Oleeb: Politico? Politico says so?!? Well butter my butt and call me convinced. No, Oleeb... not buying it for half a sec. (though I must admit that today is a new day and the "no public option" has already been "walked back" on several fronts). I'm replying rather late.

I kind of messed it up

Jason Everett Miller — Tue, 18 Aug 2009 16:57:15 +0000

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I kind of messed it up though. It should have been: Reagan, Bush as Reagan II), Clinton as Reagan 2 1/2 and George Junior as Reagan III, but they all may just reflections of Nixon, so perhaps the allusion ultimately falls flat.

Brilliant, jason. I was going

readytoblowagasket — Tue, 18 Aug 2009 16:32:09 +0000

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Brilliant, jason. I was going to continue the riff, but you deserve the last funny word. You could work it into a blog, however. ;-)

You have clearly not read the

Jason Everett Miller — Tue, 18 Aug 2009 13:53:14 +0000

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You have clearly not read the current legislation nor do you really understand where the debate is likely to head in conference committee based on the various factions involved. You act as if there is no process at play. As if we are speaking of solutions yet to be crafted instead of ones that can be read online.

The issues addressed in those bills will significantly change the way the health insurance system in America functions. The insurance companies may in fact have access to more people, but they will do so under drastically circumscribed conditions with strict regulations and in a mandated partnership with the rest of the system.

You are the type of liberal who would have been pissed at FDR for not having everything fixed by August of 1932. This was never going to be fixed in one legislative session.

Not sure how many times I

Jason Everett Miller — Tue, 18 Aug 2009 13:45:34 +0000

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Not sure how many times I need to provide the same link to the same 2008 Medicare Trustees Annual Report,/a>, but there you go. All the facts you need to finally have an intellectually honest opinion.

As to your hypothetical seniors, I would ask them why they support a party that is ensuring Medicare will fail within the next ten years.

I have never once advocated taking away Medicare. In fact, I said that it would have made much more sense to position the plan as the "public option" in order to get young and healthy people paying into the system at much higher contribution levels.

Again, you us ad hominem attacks and straw men to dispute points I have never made.

You insult the greatest

Jason Everett Miller — Tue, 18 Aug 2009 13:40:59 +0000

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You insult the greatest progressives in history by insisting they were radicals who were so politically naive they didn't use an entire nation to accomplish their goals.

Your grasp on history is a fuzzy as your grasp on politics and business and just about everything else you have ever commented on. There is the ENEMY and the APPEASERS and all that is left are the good people line up behind your ideas. You just make shit up to fit in your rather narrow world view.

Good look with your myopia. It must make taking a walk very dangerous.

I know you have followed this

SleepinJeezus — Tue, 18 Aug 2009 07:51:26 +0000

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I know you have followed this closely, dijamo, and so I ask: What, exactly, does it mean to eliminate exclusions based upon pre-existing conditions? Given that we are all about "for profit" and all, does this mean you are guaranteed a policy, but the Insurance Companies can determine what price the premium? Is this "Change We Can Believe In?"

Gawd, I hope you are right;

SleepinJeezus — Tue, 18 Aug 2009 07:44:40 +0000

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Gawd, I hope you are right; that this is just a strategic move on Obama's part to "make him defy the Health Insurance Industry" by roiling the troops.

Well reasoned conjecture. I hope you are right!

Meanwhile, let the rants continue! ;O)

They can write? Like in

SleepinJeezus — Tue, 18 Aug 2009 07:34:46 +0000

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They can write? Like in English Composition? Who knew?

Given that cast of assignees, you can bet your bottom health care dollar that the actual bill will be written by the Health Insurance Lobbyists themselves. It's just so much more efficient to let the bosses do it, you know?

So you're moving to Sweden,

tiggers thotful spot — Tue, 18 Aug 2009 07:19:37 +0000

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So you're moving to Sweden, then?