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Agree with every word,

Don Key — Sun, 16 Aug 2009 08:45:39 +0000

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Agree with every word, bluebell.

Good point bluebell! I'd

oleeb — Sat, 15 Aug 2009 21:01:47 +0000

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Good point bluebell! I'd love to see Bernie run for President.

"Compromise is capitulation,

oleeb — Sat, 15 Aug 2009 21:00:05 +0000

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"Compromise is capitulation, and corporations are not constituents."

What a great line!

It all makes sense Don when

bluebell — Sat, 15 Aug 2009 17:40:15 +0000

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It all makes sense Don when you come to realize that the Democrats WANT to be defeated on the issues. Oh, they do want to keep their committee chairmanships and other majority perks but they've no more wish than the Republicans to actually represent the American people.

It's all theater. They don't give a damn what kind of bill passes or doesn't pass as long as they keep their pockets full of cash.

Do any of them look like they have a passion for healthcare? Seriously - who do you see out there who really campaigns as if they care about health CARE? Some may want to pass a bill but how many have any interest at all on how the bill impacts real people? Some want to work on the deficit or beancount and squeeze provider fees. But how many care about sick children? Some will give you cost curves and opinine endlessly on healthcare IT but how many care about putting a doctor in an urban clinic where there is no computer?

Howard Dean cares. Ted Kennedy cares. Bernie cares. Who else really gives a damn? I mean these clowns can't even make an effort to pretend they give a damn.

Well put Oleeb, and it is

Don Key — Sat, 15 Aug 2009 10:40:31 +0000

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Well put Oleeb, and it is excruciating to watch. I don’t know if they like getting beat up as much as they’re going for the short money and taking a fall. Your question goes directly to that point: how can they continue to get slapped down over and over again as the Republicans fight the same dirty fight they’ve been fighting for decades?

Have you ever seen theater like these town hall meetings? There's no way that while most of us watching at home can see through the BS, the Dems are blind to it. Obama isn't playing some kind of ingenius rope-a-dope; it’s clear he began backpedaling and is going to be rolled over. They could have written up real HCR and passed it through reconciliation as he threatened at one time. Compromise is capitulation, and corporations are not constituents.

The phrase Hillary Clinton used in the ‘90s that elicited such waves of smarmy snarkiness from pundits, “vast RW conspiracy,” which admittedly sounds paranoid, actually referred to reporting that showed how the Right under Frank Luntz’s tutelage managed to precisely compose (“death-tax” not “estate tax”) and distribute their message up the chain and into the MSM. And Luntz is working the misinformation on HCR (see his “10 RULES FOR STOPPING THE “WASHINGTON TAKEOVER” OF HEALTHCARE”). The lynchpin is the so-called government takeover: “In countries with government run healthcare, politicians make YOUR healthcare decisions. THEY decide if you’ll get the procedure you need, or if you are disqualified because the treatment is too expensive or because you are too old. We can’t have that in America.”

Of course, framing like this is just reported as political debate or, at worse, spin. But it is never refuted as factually false by the media. The Dems know this is what’s coming but still sit on their hands until it has swamped them.

In Obama’s push for his health care reform program, excuse me, health insurance reform, he still had positive support and momentum only a month ago. The country is not the people we see in TV Land so afraid of gubmint control. Seniors are quite happy, thank you, with their public option. But this is how the NY Times reported reactions to his plan. It seemed to me that that was the beginning of a well orchestrated program to turn the tide and there was no answer. Capitulation on getting bills out before summer recess allowed more time for the propaganda to spread like staph at the county hospital.

The same day that NYT story came out, Luntz was on NPR openly discussing his talking points with a jocular interviewer who only questioned whether his “frames” would play well, not whether they had any connection to reality. Republicans are nothing if not transparently fake. They rail against government-run health care while screaming that Dems are going to make cuts in Medicare, fer crissakes! The Dems seem loathe to counter the disinformation. When they do, it is so tepid, timid and meek it seems almost apologetic. "Take a dive in the 3rd round or you’ll never fight again, pug."

Are you saying Kucinich is

oleeb — Sat, 15 Aug 2009 03:57:55 +0000

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Are you saying Kucinich is NOT 6' 4"?!! :)

You're right, of course, on

oleeb — Sat, 15 Aug 2009 03:46:21 +0000

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You're right, of course, on Medicare for all bluebell.

Searching for Grant.... This

G. Florence Scott — Sat, 15 Aug 2009 01:54:32 +0000

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Searching for Grant....

This wouldn't be a bad title. Go for it.
There is a lot of fog surrounding all of this. Many are not able to clearly see what is going on. I enjoyed your post.

All they had to do is support

bluebell — Sat, 15 Aug 2009 01:24:51 +0000

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All they had to do is support "Medicare for all" - three words, and make the Republicans threaten Medicare.

Since the Republicans were never going to support anything they proposed, they should have started at the far, far left and moved back to the left "Medicare for all" as a compromise. Instead we have abandoned more than fifty years of rallying for universal healthcare. All we are for now is insurance reform. Like we reformed AIG, I expect, by the time the Blue Dogs get done.

Whoopee.

Great analogy. Wasting time,

dickday — Fri, 14 Aug 2009 23:29:08 +0000

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Great analogy. Wasting time, exercising the troops, going over plans...endlessly while the Rebels thought themselves agile and from some Roman tradition full of 'honor' and 'chivalry' and Grant and Sherman knew War Was Hell and that the mission must be to end it.

Sometimes I wish Kucinich was 6'4" and had a deep commanding voice calling the troops to action.

But we have some very fine leaders who would like to break out. If some far reaching Health Care Bill is not signed this year the dems as going to lose a lot of seats anyway...