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It is a slippery slope to

Joe Wood — Thu, 04 Jun 2009 08:57:59 +0000

It is a slippery slope to discuss these things, because 1-you never know who has a personal experience informing their opinion and who doesn't, and 2-you never know how much a woman goes through before ever considering an abortion.

What I wish we could all be agreed upon is that 1-shaming or harassing a woman into not going inside a planned parenthood is pathetic, wrong, and to me overstepping your bounds by far, and 2-that it is not murder in the sense that we charge someone with murder--as though someone can break into your home and give you an abortion.
It is death of a fetus, and as horrible as that is to me, I get angry when someone tries to force their moral issues on another private citizen making their own decisions about their own body.

I am with you oleeb.

Joe Wood — Thu, 04 Jun 2009 08:49:19 +0000

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I am with you oleeb.

I don't think you are harsh

reason — Wed, 03 Jun 2009 03:22:14 +0000

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I don't think you are harsh oleeb and you have a right to your opinion like Ghandi I believe in peaceful protest by prayer and support for pregnant women and standing outside abortion clinics to give some women a chance to withdraw from a decision which is irrevocable because abortion is never a choice it is always a death sentence.
As to inaccurate sanctimony what is inaccurate or unscientific about the pro life position? You and I were both once a tiny collection of cells in a womb we are both alive and able to participate in this discussion because we were not aborted.Given the rhetoric of the pro abortion forces my mother would have been counselled to have me aborted Her health was frail, there was no money to support another child and a neighbour said in dismay but where are you going to put the baby?
When someone uses a pregnancy test kit from a chemist and it registers a positive reading they don't think I have a zygote inside me they know a new little person has begun the journey of life.
I believe every pregnant woman deserves support

If the "pro life" aka

oleeb — Wed, 03 Jun 2009 00:07:07 +0000

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If the "pro life" aka anti-abortion people like yourself are sincere, then you will publicly denounce the extremists who have been exhorted and encouraged byt the hierarchy of the Catholic Church and Protestant fundamentalist leaders. You will denounce those who refuse to denounce them and you will denounce the harrassment that takes place outside of medical offices and clinics. That is the only appropriate thing to do, but there will be none of that. Instead, there will be decades more of endless, inacurate sanctimony about murdering babies and then after participating in fueling the fires of extremist hatred you and others will say "but I didn't do that" when, in fact, you did so by failing to denounce those who carry your banner and do these evil things to real, live human beings not debatable religious constructs that are not scientifically valid at all. Sorry to be so harsh, but I've lost patience with your side and have no intention of putting up with it any longer without calling you people out for the hypocrisy you engage in.

The killing of any human

reason — Tue, 02 Jun 2009 07:11:55 +0000

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The killing of any human person is a sad thing and as a pro life supporter I feel deeply for Mrs Tiller who has now lost children in an earlier plane crash and suffered the horror of having her husband killed as she sat with him in church but your article is not logical John Brown was a violent man who laid seige to Harper's Ferry He was a keen abolitionist that did not mean that those who fought to make slavery illegal were the reason John Brown took violent action nor did it mean that they should have stopped campaigning against slavery.
Prayer, letter writing, supporting pregnant women are the peaceful means most pro lifers use because we love the human family and know that like slavery abortion is a gross abuse of human rights and in time I believe fairminded people will come to realise the sense in our position and begin voting in pro life candidates so that, as the British did in regard to slavery, we will achieve a peaceful transition to pro life legislation.

Yam.

quinn esq — Tue, 02 Jun 2009 06:51:31 +0000

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Yam.

Oleeb, I'm not sure you got

clearthinker — Tue, 02 Jun 2009 05:05:38 +0000

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Oleeb, I'm not sure you got my point here. I didn't say if people "understood" religion (because there is no way to "understand" voodoo fairy tales and belief) but rather they had to actually practice the religion.

In other words, if someone held them to their so called belief structure.

Your Protestant example is fantastic in this way. As you can see, as soon as you disagree, you split off and go to another church. Which means that the religion is totally arbitrary to begin with. See, for example, this explanation.

That most people are simply the religion they were born into proves that they haven't thought much about the issue. So why put any weight into arguments backed by religion?

It's mostly convention that we do. But religion can't survive without a rigorous dogma (don't forget that the Catholic Church is something like 1800 years old -- far older than any nation on earth) and it's the rigorous dogma that always gets in the way. And let's be honest: you can't prove to me that worshiping the sun is any less civilized that worshiping one of the gods we currently have. The indoctrination gets done early so it's hard to see around it, but there is no more evidence that god exists than that the sun (or moon or...) is god.

Oh, just "short hand"... oh,

clearthinker — Tue, 02 Jun 2009 04:58:35 +0000

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Oh, just "short hand"... oh, okay.

Just like when you couldn't do the numbers back when we were talking about energy?

So many "mistakes".

Tell you what, I'll go one better: I'll let you talk about Mao as well.

There.

3 examples, none of which prove anything.

Religion is the problem.

Want to know what? Because it isn't grounded in anything rational, any idiot can have a "deep" opinion about something important and justify it as part of their religion.

Somewhat like trying to talk with you.

I yam what I yam.

clearthinker — Tue, 02 Jun 2009 04:55:07 +0000

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I yam what I yam.

I don't think I agree with

oleeb — Tue, 02 Jun 2009 04:45:11 +0000

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I don't think I agree with your conclusion about religion fading away if people knew what the religion was about. Nonetheless, my point was that in the Catholic Church, unlike for example most Protestant denominations, there is no mechanism for anyone or any group when it differs from the hierarchy and thus you have to have "outside" groups. Because most Protestant denominations do not suppress dissent there can be more than one viewpoint that is representative of that particular church as a whole. Thus, the liberal Catholics, despite being outside the hierarchical structure, represent lots of Catholics. I believe that many, if not most of those people understand well what the tenets of their faith is whether they were born into it or not. They simply differ/disagree with the hierarchy and it's position and they do so from a point of view they believe hews closer to the tenets of their faith than that of the hierarchy.