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mmartinello — Wed, 18 Jun 2008 22:56:38 +0000

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I wasn't talking about the

hrebendorf — Mon, 16 Jun 2008 19:09:37 +0000

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I wasn't talking about the swipe. I was talking about the reference.

Thanks for your apoloy and

dijamo — Mon, 16 Jun 2008 08:45:48 +0000

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Thanks for your apoloy and well thought out response that I need therapy. Perhaps you should see your own psychologist as I NEVER RESPONDED TO DEANIE MILLS POST if this is the one you are referring to: http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/06/hillary-supporters-from-one-mo.php

In fact the only time I an remember having brought up seixsm was where it was either specifically the topic at hand or the original poster specifically asked Clinton supporters to tell them why they were still pissed.

Are the many of you who were simply aghast by my non-sequitur actual other posters or the imaginary people that live in your head? Because it seems like you are much more in need of counselling than I am when you make up shit like that. Perrhaps I am the crazy one and you could simply link to the offending post to which you refer - but it is certainly not by deanie mills.

You accuse me of calling people names, yet I am told I am self-hating, uncle tom, etc, etc, etc and you have the audacity to say I need counselling in your post. Yeah, the problem with etiquette and basic decency on this site is directly attributable to me.

The problem people have with me (and I'd assume you are included) is that you can't argue on facts because the facts are not on your side so you make up stuff or misrepresent my position or call names because you can't win the argument.

And I really appreciate wholeheartedly your concern for my mental health. My views on fairness and equity and treating everyone with respect come not from some freudian childhood trauma, but actual deep-seeded principled belief that sexism and racism are wrong and we need to confront them when they occur - even if we don't like the person they are directed against. Radical theory I know.

Let me let you in on a little secret. I don't need your validation or anyone else's on this site. If you don't like what I post, then don't read it. It's that simple. IGNORE. I don't need to converse with you and you need not converse with me. I don't mean to be rude, but your opinion is not the only one and just because you don't appreciate my perspective does not mean that others don't. That's the beauty of the internets - a whole wide range of opinions for you to consider or ignore. I can read a post a total ignorant jackass telling me I'm a sellout and IGNORE it. So I would encourage you if your are so overwhelminly offended by my positions, you don't have to read them. Ignore them. Live in your little world where you only hear people echoing your own thoughts because that makes you feel warm and fuzzy inside. We wouldn't want actual facts or reality or logic or dissension to interfere with your certitude in your own position.

The question is not whether,

wwstaebler — Mon, 16 Jun 2008 04:44:49 +0000

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The question is not whether, or not, delegates may vote, by party rule precedent, for whomever.
The point is that HRC knows (better than most) that this particular election is about national and global issues that far transcend the egos, hopes or dreams of an individual candidate in a particular party. THEREFORE, that Hillary has not: a) released her delegates to Obama; and b)denounced attacks on Michelle is more damning, this time round, at this point in the process, than it was for those in the past.
What is important, this year, is that the Democrats must win, this time. Therefore, ANY AMBIGUOUS ACTION, OR INACTION, on the part of an influential person in the process is worthy of examination and, if necessary, timely criticism.
I erred only in trying to be clever or glib in my presentation, instead of choosing to be in deadly earnest.

Possible. i have not checked

Oregon Activist — Mon, 16 Jun 2008 04:31:56 +0000

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Possible. i have not checked since last week when they were not yet relesased.

Nonetheless, it's simply a ritual. There is no binding obligation on the delegates to vote for Clinton. It is also very common for candidates to not release their delegates until the convention.

It is another petty little thing to harp on about Clinton instead of talking about McCain still having his fundraiser organized by the "lie back and enjoy it" oilman or talking about McClatchey's story on the innocents in Guantanamo and McCain's sellout on the torture bill or comparing how Obama and McCain spent their time yesterday (helping sandbag in Iowa vs. fundraising and campaigning.

But, as I have said before, there's a clique of Obama supporters who have no energy for Obama, just energy for hating Clinton.

That's what I was trying to

wwstaebler — Mon, 16 Jun 2008 04:21:58 +0000

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That's what I was trying to say. Precisely.

Really? Then why is it that

wwstaebler — Mon, 16 Jun 2008 04:17:32 +0000

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Really? Then why is it that Obama himself made the decision to start the website to document and refute slurs? I read, just this morning, that his advisors were initially against it -- in effect, supporting your idea that slurs be ignored -- but Barack said, "no, this is not OK, and we're going to confront it directly." So, if you are an Obama supporter, will you support him and Michelle on this issue?

According to several

Aunt Sam — Mon, 16 Jun 2008 02:49:01 +0000

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According to several reports/sites and the listing on DEMCON Edwards did release his delegates.

Interesting. And what the

Aunt Sam — Mon, 16 Jun 2008 02:45:29 +0000

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Interesting. And what the War, Womens Rights, Supreme Court, Energy and Economics?
And Hillary did initially agree to the FL-MI sanction. Remember her statement about votes not counting?!?
You're okay with more of our service personnel (and others) being wounded and killed as the war goes on? And the trillions of dollars wasted that could save and improve lives in our own country?
And you don't have a problem with another Republican appointing at least two more Supremes?
And really, the utterance of Sweetie as a justification is just silly.
Obviously, you were not basing your endorsement of Hillary on her platform, which is closely aligned with Obama's and polar opposite of McCains.
Hillary must be so proud (NOT). You listened to her then, but now you turn a deaf ear? Guess you didn't really value her efforts, much less her knowledge about our country and the direction we need to go much at all. She's a strong woman and if she thought McCain was the best choice I believe she'd sure as Hell let us know. But, guess you know better than HRC. Be sure and send your resume to McCain, bet he'll find the best position for ya.

Wow, that's heavy. I'll

bslev — Mon, 16 Jun 2008 02:27:37 +0000

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Wow, that's heavy. I'll stand on my hundreds of posts as a reflection of where I'm coming from. Feed your hate in the meantime.