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http://www.washingtonmonthly.

LisB — Mon, 18 Oct 2010 06:12:31 +0000

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2010_10/026159.php

http://thinkprogress.org/2009/08/19/dean-public-option-pearlstein/

<BlockQuote>Steven points out that I did not propose a robust public option in 2004 election. The measure of good politics and policy is the ability to accept and identify new ideas. My 2004 plan may not have included a new stand-alone program....</BlockQuote>

Wait, I just saw this.

LisB — Mon, 18 Oct 2010 06:04:12 +0000

In reply to Welcome to our disillusioned

Wait, I just saw this. Welcoming Stilli to the disillusioned world? I think not. Reevaluating her position from one she's held in the past? What? The "only one she can draw"? What? Oy. Never mind.

I think it's time for me to withdraw from Dag for a while. It's been nice, though, and my thanks to Articleman and Genghis, et. al. for making me feel so welcome.

Good night.

Well, of course both sides

stillidealistic — Mon, 18 Oct 2010 05:54:38 +0000

In reply to News flash: I'm a true

Well, of course both sides are full of shit! Does that come as a big surprise to you? The question is, who has the best chance of getting us where we want to be,? You have decided the repubs do.

KGB, I give the Tea Party no

LisB — Mon, 18 Oct 2010 03:50:34 +0000

In reply to News flash: I'm a true

KGB, I give the Tea Party no credence any more than you do. Sarah Palin is only liked by about 20% of the Republicans polled, and her numbers dwindle daily. Do I want a third party? Damn straight, I'd love to see it happen. Will it happen in the next four, ten years? I doubt it. Starting at the local level, it might happen sooner. Meantime, I hate to say that dreaded word but "viable" still holds true. Voting for a non-viable third party candidate today, tomorrow, two years from now means throwing away a vote. Convince me otherwise and I'll gladly start supporting whomever you find that represents a meaningful third party.

News flash: I'm a true

kgb999 — Mon, 18 Oct 2010 03:39:31 +0000

In reply to Why can't you just admit that

News flash: I'm a true independent. I wasn't wrong. I would totally vote for Palwenty or Romney over Obama at this point. That is still every bit as true now as it was a couple hours ago when I made the comment ... and that's all I said. From my perspective, given no other option, I would far rather have someone equally bad as Obama on the issue but possessing the balls to be honest about it ... at least you can legitimately challenge that and debate their underlying justifications as part of the national conversation.

The republicans, ironically, argue that a vote for a third party is a vote for the Democrats. Go figure. Clearly, both assertions can't be true. Which opens up an intriguing third possibility: both sides are full of shit.

A vote for a third party is simply a vote for a third party. Period. If people would abandon their fear, it is an electoral path to breaking the stranglehold both parties have on our country. But the powers that be are amazingly effective at paralyzing a large cross section of the population with what can only be described as irrational fear. There are like 20,000 teabaggers, max - and their orginization is wholly controlled by GOP bigwigs - yeah they are totally poised overrun the nation.[/s] The establishment bought your paralysis for a song.

And peace to you as well,

LisB — Mon, 18 Oct 2010 03:27:48 +0000

In reply to Not at all. You are

And peace to you as well, KGB. But, for the record, this is the first time in a long time that I've even responded to you (and with LINKS, no less, hee) and I don't see it as a personal insult when you comment back about my not understanding things....I see it as a diss to anyone who disagrees with your point of view regarding Obama, whether it be me you comment to, or someone else. But that's okay, because we can both laugh at Angle and say Namaste to each other.

Peace.

Not at all. You are

kgb999 — Mon, 18 Oct 2010 03:18:21 +0000

In reply to Yes, silly little Obamabot

Not at all. You are projecting now.

I'm not a relativist ... you genuinely can't seem to understand that. Or at lest it sure feels that way, because you consistently respond to what I have to say with a link and variations on the statement "Yeah, MUCH better than Obama."

That indicates to me that you don't get it. I'm not calling you names. I'm not trying to insult you. We just view the world through two entirely different sets of eyes so it really makes attempts at communication on some topics pointless. Particularly because you can't seem to avoid construing every damn comment as a personal insult ... and attracting those who define their lives by being aggrieved at other commenter's "tone" into a orgy of meta nonsense.

That's why, if you will notice, you have to jump in on comments I've made to others because I will not willingly initiate such interactions with you ... neither here nor over on the site where you jumped into a debate I was having with Amicus and told me to get the fuck out. If we communicate on this level about Obama - you've initiated it. Nine times out of 10 trying to discuss things with you is just a draining experience with zero upside. I wouldn't be surprised if the same was true from your side of the equation as well.

There isn't much point in going around in circles over it. Let's just laugh at Sharron Angle together and enjoy life.

Namaste.

You are very welcome. The

LisB — Mon, 18 Oct 2010 02:11:39 +0000

In reply to Thanks for including the

You are very welcome. The Pawlenty link provides more about his thoughts on Afghanistan and less about torture, but it's still important.

Why can't you just admit that

stillidealistic — Mon, 18 Oct 2010 01:34:18 +0000

In reply to You don't get it. And I don't

Why can't you just admit that you were wrong, instead of saying she doesn't get it. I think she got it just right. Neither Romney or Pawlenty are better on torture, and along with all their other short-comings, would be worse...maybe not by a lot, but still worse.

And, for about the gazziomth time, if you vote libertarian, green, socialist or martian...the net result is the same, a vote for the repubs. It's a free country, if you're cool w/ that, have at it.

Thanks for including the

stillidealistic — Mon, 18 Oct 2010 01:28:43 +0000

In reply to http://search.yahoo.com/searc

Thanks for including the links, lis...I was going to chortle over the very idea that Romney or Pawlenty would do anything different. You provided proof.