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Masters of War and Masters of

Richard Day — Wed, 20 Oct 2010 16:33:31 +0000

In reply to Jesus Christ what is wrong

Masters of War and Masters of Industry.

The unions representing as much as 38% of all workers in this country would stand in the way of the industrialists and scream:

BETTER NOT FORGET OUR SHARE ARSEHOLES!!!

Aint nobody in no position to really do that anymore.

Three decades of this 'reform' and the pigs want more.

But tube socks are pretty cheap Q.

Thank the Lord Almighty and Walmart for small favors.

Jesus Christ what is wrong

quinn esq — Wed, 20 Oct 2010 04:46:47 +0000

In reply to DEATH TO ALL WHO WOULD WHIMPER AND CRY

Jesus Christ what is wrong with you people? The fucking Republicans have carved yet another division into us, and all we do is argue about where to cut.

So yeah, in one respect - pensions - public sector pay outruns private sector. So naturally, let's chop public pensions "down to size." It's fucking moronic.

After the whole fucking world has had to listen endlessly to big mouth private owners go on for decades about how productive and wealth-creating they were, and how they needed the chance at the big upside win, the chance to rise and make big money? So it was THEM that we cut the upper bracket taxes for.

People in the public sector never had that chance. But now, oh yes NOW the public guys have to be carved up. Because the private guys who didn't get rich lost ground, and the private guys who did get rich hate the public sector anyway. So let's complain that too many of them vote or are too close to Government.

Meanwhile, the private sector has been able to buy the entire political machine off. And slash taxes and feed subsidies to these jerk off "entrepreneurs" and our new Gods the CEO's of the ONLY groups which create any wealth, the private sector.

Jesus and Mary on the Cross, what is wrong with people?

Well considering the

Richard Day — Tue, 19 Oct 2010 18:10:53 +0000

In reply to I used to manage municipal

Well considering the investment opportunities for those pension funds the last four or five years, the pensions are unsustainable.

And there is certainly a political aspect to all of this on the municipal, county and state levels.

Pretty easy to get out the vote for government workers.

There are a score of reasons for the dwindling middle classes in this country. I was just struck by the poverty levels in current suburbia.

I used to manage municipal

Rootman — Tue, 19 Oct 2010 16:17:25 +0000

In reply to DEATH TO ALL WHO WOULD WHIMPER AND CRY

I used to manage municipal campaigns. The impact that municipal employees had on the outcome was overwhelming. Then they got benefits deals from the elected officials that were far beyond what a private company would (or could) do to recognize the value of its workers. What has gone on with police and firefighters and other municipal employees over the years, in some places, is unsustainable.

The middle class is in

Richard Day — Tue, 19 Oct 2010 15:48:13 +0000

In reply to Maybe they will learn not to

The middle class is in trouble for a number of reasons.

As you point out Momoe, those individuals who are hurt by the current system might get wise.

We need a new grass roots movement that is not funded by the repubs.

There are, of course, state

Richard Day — Tue, 19 Oct 2010 15:38:46 +0000

In reply to You bet, Richard. Pensions

There are, of course, state and federal laws covering pensions and how they are to be funded.

Of course those who were appointed to regulate, to oversee, to protect the workers' rights have not followed through very well as far as I can tell.

XYZ corporation goes bankrupt. Management has been raping the damn company for a decade and walks away in most cases, free and clear. And management just sets up a new corporation a few months later and performs as if nothing happened.

And thousands of retirees, to say nothing of the thousands of former employees, are screwed.

There are abuses as Donal points out. One of my links was just about millionaires who were part of management and walk away with huge sums in pension monies and they can afford attorneys to fight for their rights in bankruptcy court. Oh, and found all these advertisements from bankruptcy attorneys during my google search.

Oh well.

The excuse. Somebody should

Richard Day — Tue, 19 Oct 2010 15:30:46 +0000

In reply to But what if the employer goes

The excuse. Somebody should write a book with that title.

Sixty people abuse SSD so we should abolish SSD.

A few thousand people are ripping off their pensions, so lets abolish or reduce pensions for middle class retirees.

Some unions have caused some real problems in the work place, so let us just abolish unions.

The repubs are so damn good at this maneuver.

Yeah. The excuse.

But what if the employer goes

Donal — Tue, 19 Oct 2010 12:39:00 +0000

In reply to You bet, Richard. Pensions

But what if the employer goes broke, out of business, or into Act 47 like Reading PA? Or what if the pensions are ridiculously high?

As with the salaries in Bell CA, I expect that extreme pension agreements will be "discovered" by the media and will become the excuse to renegotiate a lot of pensions that are unremarkable.

You bet, Richard. Pensions

Ramona — Tue, 19 Oct 2010 11:27:52 +0000

In reply to DEATH TO ALL WHO WOULD WHIMPER AND CRY

You bet, Richard. Pensions should be sacrosanct, never to be touched, the contract never to be broken. The pension agreement is a pact between employee and employer, declaring the intentions of both. The employee promises to be loyal and hard-working and for that he/she will be rewarded years down the line with a retirement package agreed upon at hiring. A portion of the employee's income will be held and applied toward retirement.

The employer promises to hold up his/her end of the bargain by holding the deferred income and adding to it in the amounts previously agreed upon. It can't get much clearer than that.

Maybe they will learn not to

trkingmomoe — Tue, 19 Oct 2010 04:59:59 +0000

In reply to DEATH TO ALL WHO WOULD WHIMPER AND CRY

Maybe they will learn not to be so conservative when conservatism reaches into their back pocket and people of their community refuses to increase taxes to the point that they lose a good chunk of their pention.

The younger generations and the increased population of minorities that are first and second generation of immigrants will push politicians to the left. The era of cranky old white voters is going to be short lived. Nature will thin out their ranks when medicare is cut by all the teabaggers they voted for.