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Weren't the Democrats also

Resistance — Tue, 19 Oct 2010 20:05:10 +0000

Weren't the Democrats also complicit with the authorization to use military force?

Did they think the money grew on trees, in Murtha's back yard?

Both sides blaming one another, for out of control spending.

"The Republican and Democratic parties, or, to be more exact, the Republican-Democratic party, represent the capitalist class in the class struggle. They are the political wings of the capitalist system and such differences as arise between them relate to spoils and not to principles."

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Eugene_V._Debs

Each party getting the spoils, at the expense of the working class.

If the working class wants the benefits only government can deliver, then repeal the No tariffs or duties (free trade). If not, then taxes need to be raised from the working class or there’ll be no government assitance.

If you want to buy that cheap import, understand you'll be cutting your own throat.

The people have become a burden on government of the Corporations.

No more entitlements, no more free.

That's what the people need to tell the merchants; no more free trade.

Day of reckoning is here.

That was an irresistible

Donal — Tue, 19 Oct 2010 18:57:15 +0000

In reply to "It wasn't until they saw the

That was an irresistible opportunity, but I can't dismiss the Republican defections to the Ron Paul camp as a "handful of acolytes", nor can I forget that 133 Republicans voted against the first House vote on EESA. It became easier, and was coopted, once Obama took office, but the concern, the dissatisfaction, was there beforehand.

"It wasn't until they saw the

brewmn — Tue, 19 Oct 2010 17:43:13 +0000

In reply to Of course they would fall in

"It wasn't until they saw the fiscal irresponsibility coming home to roost that they found their voices."

Um, I think they found their voices once they thought they could blame the whole mess on the Democrats.

Of course they would fall in

Donal — Tue, 19 Oct 2010 17:20:00 +0000

In reply to I expected this response, and

Of course they would fall in line - they're Republicans. But falling in line is different than agreeing. And I'm not calling them fiscally responsible, I'm saying that their instincts are to be careful with money (their own) and avoid risk (for themselves). It would have been nice if they had bucked their party's borrow and spend mentality to insist on fiscal responsibility nationwide instead of eagerly taking war money for their state, but that would have been politically risky for them. It wasn't until they saw the fiscal irresponsibility coming home to roost that they found their voices.

I think that you are all

cmaukonen — Tue, 19 Oct 2010 14:09:36 +0000

In reply to Strong Tea

I think that you are all correct, to an extent. These are people that are seeing their world, as they knew it, being changed in ways they do not like one little bit. Their comfort zone is being systematically eroded and they see Liberals and Big Government as the reason.

They see their taxes going up to pay for benefits that they themselves do not get but those they despise are getting. They can no longer say who they can have in their schools, on the bus, in their favorite eating establishments. They can no longer joke as they please, talk as they please and smoke when and where they please. And worse yet they are getting taxed for it.

It's all these things. And the bail outs and Obama getting elected are the straws that broke the camel's back.

I expected this response, and

brewmn — Tue, 19 Oct 2010 14:04:23 +0000

In reply to The Tea Party that rose to

I expected this response, and it's technically correct. But do you honestly think that, if the bailout was dependent on Republican votes, they wouldn't have fallen in line? Their opposition to the bailout was pure political calculation.

And my point about no Republican opposition to Bush's earlier budget-busting initiatives still stands. I categorically reject any attempt to give Republicans credit for fiscal responsibility. It's one of the most destructive Big Lies that have taken hold over the last thirty years, and has no basis whatsoever in objective fact.

double-posted. sorry.

Obey — Tue, 19 Oct 2010 14:03:27 +0000

In reply to Strong Tea

double-posted. sorry.

Yes, they're confused and

Obey — Tue, 19 Oct 2010 13:57:56 +0000

In reply to Strong Tea

Yes, they're confused and make no sense. And fun to laugh at. But this administration is not making much more sense. You can't effect massive government intervention to 'save' the auto industry and the banking industry, and at the same time keep declaring your complete faith in 'free markets'. You HAVE TO offer some other explanation than 'oh, I'm just tweaking a leetle itty bitty flaw in the markets here...'. If you don't have some other story to tell, you are just obviously telling bold-faced lies. Obama is playing into every Tea Party narrative theme - government jobs aren't 'real jobs, only business innovation drives job growth, we have to live within our means, etc - while his ACTIONS don't fit his words. Either the administration is going to have to adjust its rhetoric OR it's going to have to adjust its actions. And I fear it's the latter.

I gave a nod to the Paulites

brewmn — Tue, 19 Oct 2010 13:57:24 +0000

In reply to Well. Let's at least be

I gave a nod to the Paulites (who are as crazy as the Teabaggers, IMO, but their standard-bearer at least displays a consistency that the current batch never possessed) in my comment. But to claim that that movement has been co-opted is understating the point to a degree that makes any association of the current TP with Ron Paul irrelevant.

Sure, the echt Tea Partiers have been able to swing a couple of protest votes for Paul at conservative conferences and the like. But their only contribution to the current TP's brand is rhetorical (now every Teatard believes we have to go back to "limited government as it's set out in the Constitution") and a name for the movement (plus, as I recently read, there were New Left groups in the 60's or 70's callling themselves "Tea Parties," so it's not like Paul was the first one in even in that regard).

You seem determined to give the TPs a patina of respectability by associating them with the Paul Tea Party of 2007. I'm talking about who they are today, and have been since April of 2009. And the facts are that this group had no media presence or public profile until they became the group chosen as an outlet to express the anger of sore-loser Republicans by Fox News, Dick Armey, and other members of the Republican establishment. In other words, old Republican whine in a new bottle.

“Tons of corporate/pharma

Resistance — Tue, 19 Oct 2010 13:45:01 +0000

In reply to Good post and good comments.

“Tons of corporate/pharma money is behind the Tea Party push.”

It takes money to win elections.

For 18 months Obama put all his eggs in one basket, healthcare. He had to have known it was going to be a divisive issue?

Where were the good paying JOBS, to pay the taxes, this new Government program was going to cost.

Where were the good paying JOBS, to keep people from losing they’re homes?

Instead of healthcare being the center piece, the focus should have been good paying JOBS.

Then to make matters worse, and IMHO the Presidents advisors tells him to pander to the illegal immigrants, who are viewed by many Americans, as one of the causes, for lack of GOOD PAYING JOBS and the other cause being Corporations icing on the cake, NAFTA.

What idiot told the President, interject another divisve issue into the mid-term.

Then wonder why the hornets are active, and your party is going to get stung?

Now the Preisdent has to go back and tell Ohio, I feel your pain, yet when candidate Obama wink, winked when on the stump for the Presidency, Obama told the voters of Ohio he would go after NAFTA.....He lied.

How did Obama expand the taxbase, to pay for his programs, needed to get relected?

Mr. President, the cart goes behind the horse.

I guess the Obama team was no different than Rummy, you go to battle with the underfunded army you got.

Where are the GOOD PAYING JOBS, your base needed to counter the “Tons of corporate/pharma money is behind the Tea Party push.” Ramona points out