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Thanks. :-)

kgb999 — Thu, 04 Nov 2010 17:36:42 +0000

In reply to Totally OT, kgb999, but I am

Thanks. :-)

Totally OT, kgb999, but I am

AmericanDreamer — Thu, 04 Nov 2010 15:45:11 +0000

Totally OT, kgb999, but I am impressed with your call for Reid and the knowledge and analysis that went into it when not many others were predicting a win for him.

No problem, we're

quinn esq — Thu, 04 Nov 2010 14:01:38 +0000

In reply to Hmmm. Not 100% sure but I

No problem, we're agreeing.

Now, as long as you've given up that Bill Moyers fetish of yours.... ;-)

Hmmm. Not 100% sure but I

kgb999 — Thu, 04 Nov 2010 05:59:54 +0000

In reply to Well, you can take it on

Hmmm. Not 100% sure but I think I misread your comment a bit. This was sort of couched as a dissent, but ... if appropriate, consider it a somewhat non-sequiturial supporting comment.

Well, you can take it on

kgb999 — Thu, 04 Nov 2010 05:51:09 +0000

In reply to Arta, it often seems to me

Well, you can take it on board if you want to. But unless you ask every respondent to define "conservative", "liberal", and "moderate" ... it is really just taking up space.

IMO, the only way to really gauge a person's true ideology is to dispense with the buzz-phrase labels that were flogged of any meaning years ago by a political punditry that exists to define and redefine labels with the intent to get people to embrace/flee the political party generally associated with them. Instead, you've really got to look at how they respond on specific policy questions. Let's face it, the teabaggers are the antithesis of truly conservative - they are tear-down-the-gates radicals. At what stage does continuing to use meaningless words become farce?

And for the record, when polled on specific policy ... time and time again, progressive policy is preferred by American voters - often by an overwhelming majority. We can't really judge if providing progressive solutions would be an election winner - because we've never actually seen them implemented to test the theory out. But they DO poll well - the Public Option started in the 70s and even after "death panels" and all that nonsense was still preferred by the majority in most polls and never scored lower than a plurality on any. Americans do indeed tend to be liberal - it takes a LOT of money, marketing, dishonesty and fear mongering to convince them otherwise ... and it requires constant reinvestment for each and every issue that comes up to keep the numbers manageable. If we were really conservative, why would the corporations have to pour so much money onto every issue? Wouldn't we naturally reject progressive ideas with little prompting if that were the case?

I like that: the quiet pride

quinn esq — Thu, 04 Nov 2010 03:54:22 +0000

In reply to Don't worry about me and

I like that: the quiet pride in a job well done.

However. Your envy of Don Williams was also noted.

"The complete loon," Brew commented wistfully, "Don's got it all. Bad spelling. Poor hygiene. Matching socks, sure, but never worn on the feet. And conspiracy theories about things you're not even sure occurred. Like the assassination of Freddie Prinze by Pat Moynihan, to stop Prinze's potential run for his NY Senate seat. I mean... I didn't even know Freddie Prinze was DEAD! How do you beat that? I mean, that's just QUALITY looning. Don is... he just is...*sigh*... the complete loon."

Don't worry about me and

brewmn — Thu, 04 Nov 2010 03:44:06 +0000

In reply to When you know the names of

Don't worry about me and Greenwald; i've been banned from commenting over at Salon since the primaries in 2008.

If nothing else Barth, you

oleeb — Thu, 04 Nov 2010 02:16:14 +0000

In reply to Wins and Losses

If nothing else Barth, you consistently reflect the common wisdom in the Washington you inhabit and which the nation, on a birpartisan basis, loathes.

I recognize your well meaning intent, but your viewpoint is a perfect recitiation of the viewpoint of the Washington common wisdom. Following that line of reasoning has only led to one disaster after another for Democrats and each worse than the last.

Nothing personal, but if we lost every single Washington staffer, consultant, politico, lobbyist, elected official and power broker the nation would be better off. Our capitol city stinks to high heaven all the way out here in flyover country because it is a festering cesspool of corruption and the Democrats stink every bit as bad as the Republicans do.  Nothing anyone (with a very few exceptions) inside the beltway says is worth listening to. Inasmuch as the ruling elite have completely discredited themselves over the past decade at every level it is a wonder that anyone who lives and works in Washington has the gall to show their face in public.

This nation has suffered what may prove to be a fatal economic blow and the fat, happy courtiers of both parties and those who make their living servicing them proceed along their merry way as though they have any insight into what is happening in our country, care that the nation is falling to pieces or have any intention of doing anything to relieve the suffering of tens of millions who have lost their jobs, their homes, their communities and any hope for a prosperous stable future.

The self righteous Democrats of DC who have, for decades now, whored themselves to the rich every bit as much as their Republican playmates have no more in common with regular Americans than the man in the moon. That you would continue to imply the laughable lie that those on the left who dared criticize the foolish and self defeating actions of the naive, weak Corporate Democratic President are responsible for the flight of independents from his side demonstrates pretty conclusively how out of touch with reality you and the others who push this fantasy really are.

If it weren't for the left, you who live inside the beltway would have gotten no support at all... anywhere.

It was the President's lies and his failure to deliver on any of his main campaign promises that led the independents to abandon Democrats up and down the line (not just on the federal level) in frustration at Obama. The falsehood that criticism from the left caused the problem is so absurd it's beyond belief. If a person really believed that crap they'd also have to believe that if only everyone had just not said anything negative then the independents wouldn't have noticed that Obama double crossed them on any number of things and refused to even attempt to deliver on many others.

The real problem we have to address here is the fifith column in the Democratic Party that neither believes in Democratic solutions to our problems nor is willing to support those policies when it matters. I am delighted to see the blue dogs taken out and I pray that the House Democrats at least light a fire under their asses and actually start being more partisan and ideological. It's about friggin time our side joined the fight instead of passively standing by and being the punching bags of the right wing extremeists.

That you think Obama is the best President since LBJ is just amazing. Wow! Whatever is in the kool aid must be good stuff.

When you know the names of

quinn esq — Wed, 03 Nov 2010 22:40:51 +0000

In reply to It's because you made those

When you know the names of the resident trolls over there, I'd say you're spending waaaay too much time over at Yglesias Li'l Shoppe of Horrors.

It's not good for you.

Now, I know you say you only go trolling as much as the next guy, but the next guy happens to be ME today, and I never go to Yglesias.

So. Time to quit. No more trolling or counter-trolling over at Matty's. It's a new day.

And no, you can't go over to Greenwald's house.

Patty Murray V Dino Rossi

tmccarthy0 — Wed, 03 Nov 2010 22:27:23 +0000

In reply to Wins and Losses

Patty Murray V Dino Rossi will be announced in moments.. the current count, Patty leads by 14,000 votes, sooo... I'll let you all know soon who wins, but I am betting it is Patty Murray.