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Greg Sargent published a copy

artappraiser — Tue, 14 Dec 2010 00:58:13 +0000

Greg Sargent published a copy of the chart that the White House sent around to Congressional Dems to convince them to support the deal:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2010/12/how_the_white_house_w...

Bloomberg praises Obama and

artappraiser — Sun, 12 Dec 2010 21:27:04 +0000

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Bloomberg praises Obama and is not running:

Bloomberg rules out 2012 presidential bid
New York City mayor praises Obama: 'His success is the country’s success'
December 12, 2010
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40628514/ns/politics/

Flavius--on the point of

Oxy Mora — Sat, 11 Dec 2010 19:50:57 +0000

In reply to This has been an amazingly

Flavius--on the point of "selling" policies. Bernie Sanders took the idea of a tutorial and drove it through six feet of solid concrete. I think his performance will stand the test of time as pivotal in laying out the essential case of Progressives. I still think the package will pass but I'm wondering if an amendment on the estate tax might be included. But Sanders performance fast forwarded history for Obama. 2012 is now. Using the platform that this package is in its whole, do we think Obama intends to and will be able to make the future case against the Republicans when it comes time to reverse the holiday, the estate tax and the upper end tax cut? If not, this package will have been a disaster. If we don't think he can make that case we should fight this package or if it is passed, be looking for Obama's replacement.

This has been an amazingly

Flavius — Sat, 11 Dec 2010 15:44:18 +0000

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This has been an amazingly high level exchange.

I'll comment on only two points.

Agree that Obama , and his team, are hopeless at selling their policies.

Disagree that he's been a disappointing president. Obamacare was a seminal achievement. And this current deal with the republicans is finally going to provide the missing second bite at the stimulus.

Oh, three points. It was stupid for him to attack the left. A. don't attack your supporters, B that sort of whining is beneath the dignity of the office.

Ho,Ho,Ho, yersalf. Did you

Oxy Mora — Fri, 10 Dec 2010 20:07:17 +0000

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Ho,Ho,Ho, yersalf. Did you see the scruffy beard on that mother? Looks kinda ox-like. Nope. Don't trust him. Not even a "full" Professor, just an "Assosciate"--there's a million of them at Home Depot so why don't we just ask one of them instead.

And don't kid yoursef about BofA, they're going down--just as soon as the tax package clears.

Pertaining to the White House

we are stardust — Fri, 10 Dec 2010 19:12:55 +0000

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Pertaining to the White House packaging and tutorials (Ho ho ho!): from Wm. Black:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/william-k-black/the-effort-to-claim-that-_b_794862.html

Artsy, just a side note here.

Oxy Mora — Fri, 10 Dec 2010 18:50:10 +0000

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Artsy, just a side note here. I listen to Bloomberg radio a lot and T.V. occasionally. It is a different fish than CNBC, not nearly as rah rah the rich. Bloomberg actually has a new debate format where an old syle formal debate takes place instead of we yell our heads off at each other at the same time. It's called "Intelligence" --something like that. It's a pleasure to watch reasoned discourse. I think Bloomberg can differentiate himself from Wall St. per se and who knows how reform minded he really could become.

As for the three way debates with Clinton, I have always thought Perot gave Clinton the biggest gift ever when he refused to go along with Poppy's attack on Clinton's lack of military experience, etc.

Right, that New York state of

Oxy Mora — Fri, 10 Dec 2010 18:37:28 +0000

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Right, that New York state of mind doesn't translate elsewhere. What was that joke about New York State's motto: "New York! ...You wanna make somethin outta it?" Whadaya?

I had a cab driver once who did four Whadaya's in succession--which might have been the record.

It's hard to argue with an

Oxy Mora — Fri, 10 Dec 2010 18:36:32 +0000

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It's hard to argue with an economist like Krugman but I get the impression that he now has an awful lot invested in continuing his criticism of Summers/Geitner. I'm fairly impressed with some of the anecdotal evidence on the posiitive side. PIMCO, the major bond house, is now projecting GDP growth next year as high as 4%. I think Krugman's downside is that he is an analytical pessimist. A lot of what happens in the next two years depends on psychology. Such factors as a NASDAQ rally could add a lot of kick. I'm not sure the 09 trough and the 12 trough are comparable.

Dreamer, the hard core

Oxy Mora — Fri, 10 Dec 2010 18:20:55 +0000

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Dreamer, the hard core Christians don't have a kindly view of Mormons. I just don't think Romney can win a primary and if he does the base might be apathetic. More as a V.P. I think. I try to picture Obama up against some of these possible candidates and the only threat I can see is George Schiavo Bush. Although if Teddy Roosevelt were nominated I'd vote for him.