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Agree about the cosemetics

Michael Maiello — Mon, 17 Jan 2011 18:17:59 +0000

Agree about the cosemetics license. There are all sorts of regulations about piercings and tattoos, why not some regs here?

And yes, TLC sucks.

In one of my moments of

Elusive Trope — Mon, 17 Jan 2011 17:57:35 +0000

In reply to Agreed.More than that, I

In one of my moments of channel surfing I stumbled on an episode of Real Wifes of the OC. In this particular espisode one of those mothers had a teen daughter who wanted to have plastic surgery. The mother was all for it. She appeared proud her daughter wanted to alter her looks. The daughter had a twin sister who was the voice of reason and wisdom, who appeared disgusted by the superficiality of both her sister and her mother. Of course, because the mother was willing to sign off on the procedure, the cosmetologists had no problem signing off on any procedure the teen wanted.

TLC should be shunned. But on some level, it is reality shows like this that reminds us this stuff is going out there. If one had created a fictional show call Jersey Shores, people would argue that the characters are over the top and don't reflect reality. Our national problem is that the people on shows like Jersey Shores and Real Wives of the OC are part of our nation.

I have such childhood

Lazy KGB — Mon, 17 Jan 2011 17:42:59 +0000

In reply to Obviously you've never banged

I have such childhood memories myself. (Revenge: trumpet!!!!!).

Agreed.More than that, I

Lazy KGB — Mon, 17 Jan 2011 17:37:00 +0000

In reply to Well, stage moms are as old

Agreed.

More than that, I think TLC needs a good shunning. WTF is this crap?

(and also too, I wouldn't be opposed to cosmetologists losing their license if they perform certain cosmetic procedures on inappropriately-aged children).

I find this mother

Elusive Trope — Mon, 17 Jan 2011 17:24:47 +0000

In reply to I don't see a slippery slope

I find this mother dispicable. In my little world where I am king, her child would be taken from her and given to someone who provide real loving support.

But just going off the phrases you offerred in bold. My father, who I no doubt loved me, choose at times to give the punishment of a spanking from time to time. I have a number of distinct memories of reactions on par with or in excess of that little girls after such incidents of "punishments." Was my father torturing me? Should the authorities have stepped in? Some would say yes to these question. Others not.

So should we speak out against this sort thing? Yes. Should we collectively frown upon these kind of beauty pagents and what they stand for? Yes. But if we are to take this discourse about whether the mother being put in jail for this seriously, this I have to say this kind of talk is moving along a slippery slope.

The goal should be getting to a point where a some individual doesn't believe such actions against a child are necessary . Because in the end, it is about people's decisions about what is necessary for the child. And that is where the slippery slope begins. Are parents who support their childreen through "pain and sacrifice" necessary to be gymnasts or figure skaters being abusive? As long as society "approves" of beauty pagents regardless of the age, this kind of behavior will exist in the gray area.

Obviously you've never banged

Atheist — Mon, 17 Jan 2011 17:11:35 +0000

In reply to Does practicing piano or

Obviously you've never banged your head on the keys of a piano after being asked to practice whole notes and half notes focusing solely on middle C! (This is, in fact, one of childhood memories. Why, yes, I was a spoiled brat. Why do you ask?)

Does practicing piano or

Lazy KGB — Mon, 17 Jan 2011 17:00:39 +0000

In reply to Good insight, Another Trope.

Does practicing piano or learning Mandarin have associated physical trauma that I am unaware of?

In short. Even if we go down "this road", the answer is "no". The road does not lead to the absurd result you propose.

Child abuse and neglect are

Ramona — Sun, 16 Jan 2011 23:57:32 +0000

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Child abuse and neglect are defined by Federal and State laws. The Federal Child Abuse Prevention and Treatment Act (CAPTA) provides minimum standards that States must incorporate in their statutory definitions of child abuse and neglect. The CAPTA definition of "child abuse and neglect," at a minimum, refers to:

"Any recent act or failure to act on the part of a parent or caretaker, which results in death, serious physical or emotional harm, sexual abuse, or exploitation, or an act or failure to act which presents an imminent risk of serious harm"¹

Physical Abuse

Physical abuse is generally defined as "any nonaccidental physical injury to the child" and can include striking, kicking, burning, or biting the child, or any action that results in a physical impairment of the child. In approximately 38 States and American Samoa, Guam, the Northern Mariana Islands, Puerto Rico, and the Virgin Islands, the definition of abuse also includes acts or circumstances that threaten the child with harm or create a substantial risk of harm to the child's health or welfare.⁵

Emotional Abuse

Almost all States, the District of Columbia, American Samoa, Guam, the Northern Mariana Islands, Puerto Rico, and the Virgin Islands include emotional maltreatment as part of their definitions of abuse or neglect.⁹ Approximately 32 States, the District of Columbia, the Northern Mariana Islands, and Puerto Rico provide specific definitions of emotional abuse or mental injury to a child.¹⁰ Typical language used in these definitions is "injury to the psychological capacity or emotional stability of the child as evidenced by an observable or substantial change in behavior, emotional response, or cognition," or as evidenced by "anxiety, depression, withdrawal, or aggressive behavior."

There are guidelines for anyone to read, and I encourage anyone to read them. But if I happened to be in that beauty shop when that child was being forced to have her eyebrows waxed I would hate myself if I didn't try to intervene. I'm still horrified by it. I still think there should be laws on the books against what happened to that little girl. And if the above doesn't fit, then we need to re-write the laws in order to protect children fully. My opinion

You can bring this to

Anonymous — Sun, 16 Jan 2011 23:27:31 +0000

In reply to Why aren't these two women in jail?

You can bring this to people's attention and more power to you for doing so, but, scanning the responses here, it seems clear that if you want to curry more than opinions on the matter, you have to figure out what legislation bears on parental and child rights, then encourage people to lobby for change and redress. Otherwise your outrage, and that of others, is a flash in the pan. Take the current situation in Tucson after the shootings. I'm outraged that the Tea Party can get away with the things they say, then shift the blame, as always, to Democrats. Get mad as you want, it won't make a difference. What has to change are Gun Laws and renewed regulation of radio (restoring control of the airwaves to public use by reinstating the Fairness Doctrine). Those are things people can demand from their government. I don't know what laws exist to protect the rights of a child like this, but I'm sure they exist. Find out what they are and inform others.

Well, stage moms are as old

Michael Maiello — Sun, 16 Jan 2011 16:39:49 +0000

In reply to Why aren't these two women in jail?

Well, stage moms are as old as dirt. And parents seem to go really nuts over kid sports as well. This doesn't rise to the level of jailable offense to me but jail isn't the answer here. This woman needs a good shunning.