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The point of my post has

Michael Wolraich — Wed, 16 Sep 2009 22:11:18 +0000

In reply to As an openly gay liberal, I

The point of my post has little to do with the event itself. The fact that the officer backtracked on the race bias explanation simply underscores what is the point: Limbaugh wants the assault to be racially motivated and cheered on by a busload of black children because he wants to believe that whites are persecuted. He wants to this story to represent a microcosm of his twisted view of white oppression at the hands of liberals.

Bullying is obviously reprehensible and race-motivated bullying even more so, whatever the race of the victim. I figured that went without saying, which was foolish of me because of course Limbaugh wants to represent liberals as condoning or even celebrating black-and-white violence, the very charge that you seem to have bought into.

Who is arguing that they

Doctor Cleveland — Wed, 16 Sep 2009 21:05:37 +0000

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Who is arguing that they shouldn't be punished? I haven't encountered anybody arguing for that.

I also haven't seen anybody arguing for leniency.

As for hate crimes, despite your personal coviction (which the police chief, who has seen the investigation first-hand no longer shares), how would you get a hate-crime verdict from a jury? If the attackers didn't use any racial insults, what's going to persuade a jury beyond a reasonable doubt?

As an openly gay liberal, I

Jimmy — Wed, 16 Sep 2009 20:52:57 +0000

In reply to so doc what your saying is

As an openly gay liberal, I know all too well about the evils of hate. What I find very troubling, however, is that, if I were beaten on a bus for being gay, my fellow liberals would be rushing to my defense and offering support.

Although I truly believe that the porr victim in this account was beaten so savegely was for no other reason because of his race. If this horrible incident was the other way around, you know we'd all be saying it was race related.

The bottom line is this, if it wasn't race related, then we still need to push for the maximum punishment for the attackers. If it was race related, then we need to push that the extra penalty in place for hate crimes is applied in this case.

Geez, first blues, then

Michael Wolraich — Wed, 16 Sep 2009 19:43:00 +0000

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Geez, first blues, then hip-hop culture, and now being persecuted.

No, no, hip-hop, is still liberal and thus, fascist:

"Hip-hop culture has incorporated a shocking number of fascist themes."

-- Jonah Goldberg, Liberal Fascism: The Secret History of the American Left, From Mussolini to the Politics of Change

Actually, being persecuted is fascist too:

The Jew caused our problems, and lives from them. That is why we oppose the Jew as nationalists and as socialists. He has ruined our race, corrupted our morals, hollowed out our customs and broken our strength. We owe it to him that we today are the Pariah of the world.

-- Joseph Goebbels

Seriously, though: if

Doctor Cleveland — Wed, 16 Sep 2009 19:20:05 +0000

In reply to Persecution Politics: Beating on White Kids

Seriously, though: if conservatives are so worried about this incident, why not back a little hate-crime legislation?

Last time I heard from conservatives on that topic, hate-crime laws were unnecessary and an affront to justice. Now, apparently, the usual penalties dealt out to kids who beat up other kids on a school bus will not suffice.

Also, there's that tricky

Orlando — Wed, 16 Sep 2009 19:09:00 +0000

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Also, there's that tricky little thing about many African-Americans not knowing which country their ancestors came from because they were kidnapped and brought unwillingly to this country. Or, if the ancestors were born here, they were often separated from their parents as soon as they would bring a good price.

If your name is Doug, I won't call you Bob. Why can't we give self-identified groups of people the same consideration? How about we refer to groups using the terms those groups select and quit complaining because we didn't get to name them.

Highlighting. You keep using

Nebton — Wed, 16 Sep 2009 19:06:28 +0000

In reply to My God, what has happened to

Highlighting. You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means.

Ooh, grammar fail, grammarian

Larry Jankens — Wed, 16 Sep 2009 19:06:23 +0000

In reply to "Liberals trying to make sure

Ooh, grammar fail, grammarian win!

No. In fact, that is not what

Doctor Cleveland — Wed, 16 Sep 2009 19:05:52 +0000

In reply to so doc what your saying is

No. In fact, that is not what I was saying.

If you want to have someone say that, so you can get upset about, try someone else.

"Liberals trying to make sure

Orlando — Wed, 16 Sep 2009 19:04:26 +0000

In reply to My God, what has happened to

"Liberals trying to make sure prostitution and illegal aliens and child slavery is made legal..."

When you learn subject-verb agreement, I'll spend some energy making a thoughtful argument in response.