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Excellent question.

EmmaZahn — Thu, 10 Mar 2011 02:45:17 +0000

In reply to Maybe we should be more like

Excellent question.

Thanks, LuLu. But I would not

SleepinJeezus — Thu, 10 Mar 2011 02:03:34 +0000

In reply to I wouldn't try speaking for

Thanks, LuLu. But I would not choose to insert any qualifiers into my rhetoric at all. It is unapologetically "Class War" talk, and I would love the opportunity to explore with Emma or anyone the reality in which it is appropriately offered as a response. This conceit that our economy is "humane" and "life affirming" simply defies the facts of its design and its outcomes. The pursuit of profit with intent that it accrue and aggregate without limits to "winners" (who happen to write the rules) at considerable cost to the "losers" (or worse, "innocent bystanders") and our environment and our security, etc., is decidedly cruel. And all the neo-lib talk about "Win The Future" can't cover for the fact that it ain't OUR future wealth and/or happiness that's being considered as any significant part of the equation. We are A "human resource"; grist for the mill that grinds out profit for the ownership class. Nothing more. And, yes, I'm fighting back in opposition. Which side are YOU on?

Almost as good.

EmmaZahn — Wed, 09 Mar 2011 23:45:56 +0000

In reply to I want a holodeck.

Almost as good.

I wouldn't try speaking for

A Guy Called LULU — Wed, 09 Mar 2011 23:37:15 +0000

In reply to You must be very tired by now

I wouldn't try speaking for Sleapin', he handles that quite well for himself, but I take him as as saying that there is a threat that must be met and issuing a challenge, not a threat, for us all to step up and show by our actions "Which side we are on".

I want a holodeck.

Donal — Wed, 09 Mar 2011 23:23:58 +0000

In reply to I am confused. Win the

I want a holodeck.

Quinn, Emma--I couldn't

we are stardust — Wed, 09 Mar 2011 22:47:34 +0000

In reply to Oh jeez. I get called out on

Quinn, Emma--I couldn't remember where I'd seen this yesterday, but it seems more 'friction' is about to come when the ACA and mandate gets rolling. This is about the very similar MA plan; the results don't indicate much gets fixed by it. Who will take on lessening actual health care costs? The same folks who are overhauling the tax code? My daughter used to refer to 'Mr. Nobody'.

http://www.angrybearblog.com/2011/03/still-fixing-fixed-fixed-healthcare.html#more

(A report from US News & World: Health Reform Hasn't Halted Bankruptcies)

Anyone can say the plans aren't the same; I would believe them, but D. Becker thinks they are.

You must be very tired by now

EmmaZahn — Wed, 09 Mar 2011 22:42:00 +0000

In reply to What do I want to win?Pretty

You must be very tired by now with all the goings on in Wisconsin.

This is a conversation I would very much like to have with you but not while you are in such a beseiged mindset and asking people in a threatening tone which side they are on is a beseiged mindset.

For the record, I am on the side of life and humanity.

A Lasting Piece of The Action

cmaukonen — Wed, 09 Mar 2011 22:15:28 +0000

In reply to What do I want to win?Pretty

A Lasting Piece of The Action !

What do I want to win?Pretty

SleepinJeezus — Wed, 09 Mar 2011 21:42:11 +0000

In reply to I am confused. Win the

What do I want to win?

Pretty simple. A piece of the economic pie. An economy that works for me, rather than the other way around. An economy that works in the interests of the middle class and the poor and the foreign laborer and, well, just about everyone who sucks wind on this planet.

"Win the Future" (WTF?) was a reference to Obama's vaunted State of the Union introduction of HIS vision, wherein we can all revel in the promise of Star Trek only without any aspirations allowed of us, personally, gaining any of the really cool accoutrements. Those remain the provenance of the owners (the profit-takers) for whom we all must make sacrifices so they can continue to "grow" in the manner to which they are accustomed.

The neo-lib economists and Obama and our friends on Wall Street promise that we can become "innovative hobos" if we would just knuckle down and try. (h/t to Obey) Call me an ingrate, but I guess I was looking for a bit more than that.

Hear of any other deals being offered to those of us who supposedly "own" and operate this economy? No? I didn't think so.

Meanwhile, listening to neo-libs go on about the woonders of this economy is something akin to listening to Mengele (in his day) discuss the brave new world of medical research. Is it science-based? Well, yes it is. Is it plausible? Well, yes, for better or worse, it is. Does it accomplish the objectives set forth for it? Undoubtably, yes it does.

It makes sense. It works. But when listened to as one of the last surviving Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto, you find yourself wishing someone, somewhere would start looking into an "Alternative Plan 'B'"

I am confused. Win the

EmmaZahn — Wed, 09 Mar 2011 19:55:00 +0000

In reply to But the reality is that it is

I am confused. Win the Future? Star Trek is set in the future. What is it you want to win?