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You've lost me. All I'm

Verified Atheist — Tue, 22 Mar 2011 18:13:32 +0000

In reply to VERIFIED CHILD, GROW UP Some

You've lost me. All I'm understanding from what you've written is that you're angry. What have I taken out of context? Please give me an example. One will do. That will at least help me understand why you're so angry.

Peace be with you.

VERIFIED CHILD, GROW UP Some

Resistance — Tue, 22 Mar 2011 18:12:04 +0000

In reply to Some might consider it ironic

VERIFIED CHILD, GROW UP

Some might consider it ironic that it seems I, the avowed atheist, has more compassion

It seems you're having an "I" problem?.. A another sign of your arrogant attitude?

Again you just make things up, waiting in the weeds looking to pounce, taking things out of context, twisting words in order to give the appearance of your superioity.

What starrted with my comment about having compassion and protecting Americans, turns into your rant about my lack of compassion.

Attacking me, so you can appear so much more enlightened?

"Look everybody .... I ....Verified Athiest, have more compassion than Resistance"

GROW UP

Some might consider it ironic

Verified Atheist — Tue, 22 Mar 2011 15:44:35 +0000

In reply to Whatever VA Twist the whole

Some might consider it ironic that it seems I, the avowed atheist, has more compassion (and more understanding of Jesus' imperative to "Love thy neighbor") than you, the avowed Christian.

Anyways, I'll address your issues (explicit and implicit) from the general to the specific.

I suppose you think all criminals are victims too? … What is it, feel pity for the perpetrators and maybe just a smidgen for his victims?

I have made no such claims here. I've said explicitly, and repeatedly, that I hold corporations responsible.

Under your logic, "Why You poor soul, you the illegal are just a victim" Please take our jobs.

I was mainly referring to sweatshops and literal slavery. Do you think those victims are also criminals?

As you say, "under your logic", slaves being forced to work in third world countries are actually criminals, not victims.

Tell that to the guy ( labor commodity) stealing across the southern border.

OK, so, incorporating the "illegal" argument, I would say there is a sliding scale. They're more culpable than the sweatshop worker in a foreign country who is more culpable than the slave (who is not culpable at all, IMO). However, it's the corporation who is most culpable, followed by the consumers.

and you sure can't blame the company owner trying to stay competitive, because he's a victim too

There's some validity to that argument, but as I said in the preceding paragraph, I'd argue they are most culplable.

and your all full of pity for the displaced American worker because he's a victim too

Well, at least you seem to recognize that at some point before later dismissing it ("maybe just a smidgen for his victims").

You then coming back time and again lecturing me It is just wrong to blame the illegal, he;s just a victim.

Just to be clear, my lecture was in response to yours, where you seemed to be imploring us to hate our neighbor.

Stop for a moment and take a breath. Re-read what all you've posted here, and consider why you're feeling so angry. I'd say that deep down, you know what is right, and that's what is making you so angry.

Again, we're in agreement that the corporations are wrong. Isn't that enough without requesting that we also hate illegals/sweatshop workers/slaves? (You may never use the word "hate", but that's definitely what is invoked by the phrasing of "stealing food from our mouths".)

Whatever VA Twist the whole

Resistance — Tue, 22 Mar 2011 15:12:01 +0000

In reply to Pointing out that Americans

Whatever VA

Twist the whole conversation, make your point, argue over pettiness.

Pointing out that Americans

Verified Atheist — Tue, 22 Mar 2011 12:57:12 +0000

In reply to I didn’t highjack your post.

Pointing out that Americans don't occupy some special place in God's creation is not the same as supporting globalization. Recognizing that there are some things produced better overseas is not the same as supporting sweatshops and slave labor. Not all things are as black and white as you seem to want to make them. For the most part, we're all on the same side here. It's just that some of us recognize that the enemy aren't those being forced to work in sweatshops (who you accused of stealing food from our mouths) but rather are those employing them (which you correctly recognize as part of the problem–I just think it's worth pointing out that they are the primary problem). It's also valid to criticize those buying from sweatshops. Just please stop blaming the primary victims–those working in the sweatshops. American workers are victims, too, but I think it's a hard sell to declare them to be the primary sufferers.

I didn’t highjack your post.

Resistance — Tue, 22 Mar 2011 12:23:21 +0000

In reply to You are putting a whole lot

I didn’t highjack your post. So please don’t make me your scapegoat.

You took the thread off track, when YOU brought up the Bible.in response to my comment

"We are America, WE THE PEOPLE in order to form a more perfect Union ......NEED TO CARE AND PROVIDE FIRST.... FOR AMERICANS."

Seriously? And where in the Bible does it say that Americans come ahead of any other people?

by stillidealistic 3/21/2011 - 3:31 pm (re: Resistance)

I did THIS post because I wanted to discuss the way public servants are being made the scape goat for our economic woes, and would like to get back to THAT subject.

I dont agree that Public sector employees are the scapegoat, they are now going to get the axe like the rest of the American worker force has, because there were some in America who couldnt see the value of protecing Americans "AHEAD OF ANY OTHER PEOPLE"

Globalization killed the Unions, killed our financial security and by extension, killed the Public Sector Unions.

I disagree that Public Employees are the scapegoat.... Public employees or any other American worker who wasnt on the front lines fighting globalization, are now reaping what the rest of the working class have been receiving for a long time….. THE SHAFT, beaten down, because Americans didn’t support Americans, they didnt want to put American workers"ahead of other people"

If you are a Public Employee and you’re driving an import; YOU got exactly what you paid for.....If you're a Public worker buying foreign clothing, YOU got exactly what you paid for.

Globalizaion supporters, support the foreign worker, then wonder why average American workers can no longer pay taxes, in order to support Public Workers? Ignorance

You reaped what you sowed, YOU helped destroy your own financial security.

Globalization supporters… You put American manufacturers out of business and now the ex employees can no longer support Public Employees.

Globalization is not the scapegoat, IT IS the enemy of the American worker.......Unless you like cheap bananas Chimp Chump

The reason we have economic woes in America is because of ignorance.

The attack on the Public sector is a result, because we didnt resist Globalization and the subjugation of America, to serve the needs of the Merchant class.

Globalization supporters Telling us

Seriously? And where in the Bible does it say that Americans come ahead of any other people?.....by stillidealistic 3/21/2011 - 3:31 pm

What? You didnt know WE the People of America, would reap what you sowed?

Really?Yes. Read Luke

Verified Atheist — Tue, 22 Mar 2011 09:49:24 +0000

In reply to Really? He told you a

Really?

Yes. Read Luke 8:19-21.

Then His mother and brothers came to Him, and could not approach Him because of the crowd. And it was told Him by some, who said, “Your mother and Your brothers are standing outside, desiring to see You.” But He answered and said to them, “My mother and My brothers are these who hear the word of God and do it.”

He was clearly not showing his family favoritism.

Can you not fathom the

Verified Atheist — Tue, 22 Mar 2011 09:44:10 +0000

In reply to I take it, you wouldnt like

Can you not fathom the difference between a scab and someone in a third-world country being exploited by a multi-national corporation?

Be mad at the corporation, not the exploited, and please, please, please never conflate the two again. They are as different as night and day.

You are putting a whole lot

stillidealistic — Tue, 22 Mar 2011 08:22:46 +0000

In reply to Can you please explain

You are putting a whole lot of words into my mouth! I don't think I said a thing about being willing to screw over you, or that it's a perfect time for economic equality, or that Americans were magically blessed with anything.

I simply took exception to the notion that Americans "deserve" to have a standard of living so much higher than the rest of the world, after the thread got hijacked by Resistance.

There are a whole lot of inequities in the world (and in this country) that need to be addressed. This was not a post designed to tackle that subject and I'm sorry I let it get off track.

I did THIS post because I wanted to discuss the way public servants are being made the scape goat for our economic woes, and would like to get back to THAT subject.

For starters, this didn't

stillidealistic — Tue, 22 Mar 2011 08:10:19 +0000

In reply to wealthiest Americans? They

For starters, this didn't start out as a post about globalization....somehow I let you get me off track, but to answer your question, yes, I obviously see the negative impacts of globalization. But can we save that discussion for a post on that subject, and stick with the topic of this post, which in case you've forgotten, is the public employees being blamed for the financial mess we find ourselves in today?