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"approve" means that my

Flavius — Mon, 21 Mar 2011 21:09:59 +0000

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"approve" means that my intellectual position is that I think our military action will result in fewer deaths now and over the coming year than if we had not intervened. So I believe I ought to approve of the success of the mission. But I can't bring myself also to approve of those deaths.

.I desire the end but not the means..

As for the rest of your comment , all perfectly reasonable assertions or questions. You may be right. Or not.

For the most part.I have no basis for disputing you or agreeing.As an exception the correspondent interviews with rebels provides some basis for thinking they are less thuggish than Qaddafi's supporters. Even they, I expect are a mixture.

If I could be sure that they

Flavius — Mon, 21 Mar 2011 20:49:10 +0000

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If I could be sure that they were all really bad people it would affect how I feel. But I would still shudder to think of the pain they experienced. In fact my guess is that like most groups of human being they were a mixture and that the worst of them were themselves mixtures sometimes evil, sometimes not. So I regret their deaths.

The Benghazi rebels appointed

acanuck — Mon, 21 Mar 2011 19:28:40 +0000

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The Benghazi rebels appointed Mustafa Abdel-Jabril to lead their sort-of provisional government. He was justice minister under Gaddafi. A lot of their military leaders are former commanders under Gaddafi. A lot of the harshest critics internationally are diplomats who served Gaddafi loyally for decades. So Obey has reason to be skeptical. Maybe he should have written "ex-thugs who are ostensibly ours."

Oh Flavius, wherefore dost

NCD — Mon, 21 Mar 2011 16:58:34 +0000

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Oh Flavius, wherefore dost thou imagine such picturesque scenes of tranquility:

That wasn't a "column" which was destroyed. It was people. Men who'd gotten up after a night's sleep,had breakfast, probably thought about their wives and children...

Reality check: this was not a troop of Boy Scouts on a campout, or missionaries on a humanitarian mission to heal the sick or comfort the forlorn!

These were highly paid mercenaries in a bloody conflict who, according to an American pilot who flew a surveillance mission on Saturday, and who was interviewed on NPR today, were indiscriminately firing artillery rockets into Benghazi, and whose compatriots are herding civilians to the front lines to use as human shields today.

It is likely that the thoughts of these men were not of domestic bliss of children, wives and homes, but instead involved malevolent aspirations of rape, pillage and all the usual crimes and vices that accompany mercenaries paid to violently subdue largely unarmed civilian populations for unscrupulous dictators. They deserve no pity for their fate.

IT'S JEW FATIGUE REDUX!!!Who

quinn esq — Mon, 21 Mar 2011 16:00:37 +0000

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IT'S JEW FATIGUE REDUX!!!

Who knew you could catch it twice? Or mebbe there's no cure?

Oh those tricksy Jews.

Given his priapism link,

we are stardust — Mon, 21 Mar 2011 15:46:27 +0000

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Given his priapism link, maybe this?

David, you're going from

Obey — Mon, 21 Mar 2011 15:18:31 +0000

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David, you're going from sounding like Marvin the paranoid android to sounding like Ozzie

I don't know if this is an improvement...

;0P

I am just getting so tired,

David Seaton — Mon, 21 Mar 2011 15:02:36 +0000

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I am just getting so tired, so sick and tired of all of this American imperial priapism.

Thanks. For now, I'll stick

Verified Atheist — Mon, 21 Mar 2011 14:55:59 +0000

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Thanks. For now, I'll stick with my should-know-better optimism. :P

LOL.Let's call it informed

Obey — Mon, 21 Mar 2011 14:50:44 +0000

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LOL.

Let's call it informed pessimism...?

;0)

I was referring to the Kosovo/Afghanistan model where

(i) the outcome has been 'thugs-who-are-ostensibly-ours', and

(ii) that outcome is no unfortunate accident, and rather the natural outcome of externally imposed regime change policy.

If you on the other hand are wondering whether I have any insight into the souls of the Libyan resistance movement, no I don't. But I also don't believe that matters, nor that it has any determinate answer.