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That is not at all what I am

Elusive Trope — Thu, 31 Mar 2011 13:32:20 +0000

In reply to So as long as they stick to

That is not at all what I am saying. You are bemoaning how the people protesting nonviolenting in the streets has turned to arming rebels RPGs. That is because Kaddafi had decided to take these things up a notch beyond what the Egyptian et al. governments were willing to do. This in part has to do with the tribal divisions that existed in Libya and expressed themselves in the protests. And while some revolutions can be accomplished through relatively little violence, others are no so lucky.

And so in Libya we had maybe a kind of milque toast repression which some of the people decided they had had enough. Good for them. They wanted to toss the repressor and his regime out. In response, the repressor turned to over-the-top repression. We in the rest of the world had two options: 1) watch it play out, and seeing how things are going with the air cover we know nowhow it would have ended, or 2) intervene with some level of military action.

Given the complications and consequences of the US and NATO intervening in an Arab country again, maybe we should have taken the first option. But because of what Kaddafi was willing and capable of doing, we can't ignore what the consequences of option would have been. No matter how much we prefer peace and revolutions that achieve their aims through non-violent means. In other words, no matter how awful the US government was in the sixities, MLK wasn't facing a Kaddafi regime as he led the civil rights movement.

Planetary government will

Donal — Thu, 31 Mar 2011 12:11:01 +0000

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Planetary government will only happen if we can still find fuel for blue water navies and air power.

I say "yay" to the concept of

Verified Atheist — Thu, 31 Mar 2011 12:06:54 +0000

In reply to “Also, there will be signs

I say "yay" to the concept of a democratic-style world government–one without borders or enemies to fight. Unfortunately, the reality is much more sobering. However, I don't believe even remotely (surprise) that the reality has anything to do with a beast, seven-headed or otherwise. Of course, I think even the most literalist Christian understands the beast to be allegorical (which makes one wonder why they can't allow other parts of the Bible to be allegorical), so perhaps I'm playing with straw men.

Anyways, if we as a civilization exist 1,000 years from now, I think the one-world government that some seem to fear would pretty much be a necessity.

I need to correct an

Resistance — Thu, 31 Mar 2011 11:33:45 +0000

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I need to correct an assumption about it getting stronger. it may get more desperate in it's attempts to maintain control..

It may have already reached it's heights in earlier times. Now on it's "last leg" the ten toes of clay(1) and iron (2)may be what we are seeing in the ME.

“And whereas you beheld the feet and the toes to be partly of molded clay of a potter and partly of iron, the kingdom itself will prove to be divided, but somewhat of the hardness of iron will prove to be in it, forasmuch as you beheld the iron mixed with moist clay. ⁴² And as for the toes of the feet being partly of iron and partly of molded clay, the kingdom will partly prove to be strong and will partly prove to be fragile. ⁴³ Whereas you beheld iron mixed with moist clay, they will come to be mixed with the offspring of mankind; but they will not prove to be sticking together(3), this one to that one, just as iron is not mixing with molded clay. (Daniel2:41-43)

(1) clay = "offspring of mankind" /Flesh

(2) Iron = Political rulership or control ?

(3) No cohesion.... unrest ....Unstable Political foundation.

Unstable Nations Nuclear?

When you hear the alarm ....Get under the desk and put your head between your legs.

END

“Also, there will be signs

Resistance — Thu, 31 Mar 2011 10:51:22 +0000

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“Also, there will be signs in sun and moon and stars, and on the earth anguish of nations, not knowing the way out because of the roaring of the sea and [its] agitation, ²⁶ while men become faint out of fear and expectation of the things coming upon the inhabited earth; for the powers of the heavens will be shaken. ²⁷ And then they will see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. ²⁸ But as these things start to occur, raise yourselves erect and lift YOUR heads up, because YOUR deliverance is getting near.” (Luke21:25-28)

I'll say

Yay!

If I can be delivered/survive.

Yay!

Verified Atheist — Thu, 31 Mar 2011 10:35:40 +0000

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Yay!

15 And there was granted it

Resistance — Thu, 31 Mar 2011 06:17:59 +0000

In reply to Damaging the U.N. Brand

¹⁵ And there was granted it to give breath to the image of the wild beast,(1) so that the image of the wild beast should both speak and cause to be killed all those who would not in any way worship the image of the wild beast. ¹⁶ And it puts under compulsion all persons,(2) the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free and the slaves, that they should give these a mark in their right hand or upon their forehead, ¹⁷ and that nobody might be able to buy or sell except a person having the mark(3), the name of the wild beast ......(Revelation 13:15-17)

(1) United Nations given the breath of life.

(2) ALL Nations will be put under compulsion

(3) The Mark of approval will only be given to those who OBEY the image.

Those who don’t.... will not be able to buy or sell.

The One World Government is here; the United Nations is going to get stronger, while those who oppose the image will get weaker.

Any take on whether or not

we are stardust — Thu, 31 Mar 2011 00:54:55 +0000

In reply to See, I was already finding

Any take on whether or not the Hill-girl was in agreement, or just stating the facts, 'ma'am, just the facts'? (Hat tip: Dragnet)

So hard not to be a bit cynical about Kahlifa Hifter. (Kansas City Star; that's what I are...)

At least we didn't have to hear about "Harpie Rule" or some crap; seems Hill and Barackie may be on the same page, eh?

Okay, maybe the Pyramids ain't quite right, but:

So as long as they stick to

Desider — Thu, 31 Mar 2011 00:44:47 +0000

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So as long as they stick to milque toast repression, not over-the-top repression, life will be okay.

And what's the lesson out of

quinn esq — Thu, 31 Mar 2011 00:23:30 +0000

In reply to Damaging the U.N. Brand

And what's the lesson out of this, for other ME nations and despots facing rebellious populations? Seems pretty clear that one line of thinking will be:

1. Blast the shit out of your own people, rather than run the risk of any slow-building, coalition-creating, ally-absconding, "people power" crap going...

2. Justify the heavy hand to your own population by arguing that if the rallies had gotten too out-of-control, the Americans would intervene and turn the entire land to rubble...

3. And all the while figure that the US couldn't heavily intervene anyway, now that it's picked Libya from its To Do list, and will be tired up there for the interim.

ME Despots, start your engines!