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There are not enough zeros

A Guy Called LULU — Tue, 05 Apr 2011 17:47:23 +0000

There are not enough zeros moving right to put between a decimal point and a one to express how tiny a part of a nano-nothing cifer of a non-entity nada null nit is the power of my vote to affect the democratic election of our next president. My vote is absolutely meaningless in my state and so is of zero importance to anyone else on the planet. Because I knew that going into the last election and I wanted some input I choked off some bucks and sent them to Obama. While my vote is meaningless to anyone else, [Obama has shown that he is included in that large set] it is important to me. I cannot vote again for Obama. I want my money back. I am confident, though, that I will have the opportunity to vote against someone.

Or Ilkileaks. NA would

we are stardust — Tue, 05 Apr 2011 16:29:24 +0000

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Or Ilkileaks. NA would require printing... Destor's got another blog up; maybe I'll just post the little focker. Fock; Oy 'ave a bloody 'eadache now... ;o)

You know what Lar, you really

tmccarthy0 — Tue, 05 Apr 2011 16:03:59 +0000

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You know what Lar, you really are one of my favorite people... Boredom for the Win!

Submit it to the National

Desider — Tue, 05 Apr 2011 16:01:39 +0000

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Submit it to the National Archives, they always need a few more thick dust collectors.

Or WIkiLeaks.

In the 1960’s we had

LarryH — Tue, 05 Apr 2011 16:01:05 +0000

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In the 1960’s we had accession by assassination. You get used to it after a while. In the end a complete lunatic became President, a man who today would be adjudged as mildly rational but vilified as a radical progressive. More recently I watched a man, “arguably the most psychologically damaged president since Nixon,” be installed and then installed again.

As I sit and contemplate six more years of the Obama brand, I am at once horrified and bored. Obey put up a link the other day of a cartoon debate “Huxley vs Orwell*.” Obey and others averred in favor of Huxley but they are wrong. The “Brave New World” is coming to an end. What will remain is what Orwell described, in the person of some Republican President, eventually. So for now I choose boredom. I am in. Like the man said:

“Cake or death?” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZVjKlBCvhg

*Huxley v. Orwell: http://www.juxtapoz.com/Current/huxley-vs-orwell-in-graphic-form

Destor, I started writing a

we are stardust — Tue, 05 Apr 2011 14:52:00 +0000

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Destor, I started writing a thing to explain my thinking on this, and cripes, it's turned into a veritable tome. I sorta hate to post it here; it's already almost 1300 words and not quite finished; Arrrgh! I could instead stick it up as a blog, even a Crap Blog. Or even delete the whole mess.

I'll wait to hear; don't feel shy about saying 'thanks ,but no thanks.' ;o)

I'm in. Not because Obama is

Elusive Trope — Tue, 05 Apr 2011 14:12:27 +0000

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I'm in. Not because Obama is my dream president, but because of what is at stake. It's not only about who is sitting in the Oval Office, but the make-up of Congress and who is in control at the state level. Wisconsin, Michigan, et al I thinks shows there is a significant difference. The presidential candidates represent their party and have a major influence on the outcome of the other races. Regardless of the reality about Obama moderate/conservative stances on policies, the Republican/conservative sphere paint him as Mr. Liberal McProgressiveson and that he taken the country too far to the left. A victory for Obama and the Democrats would have the effect of saying, "no we don't think he and the other Dems have gone far enough to the left." A loss would be perceived as a mandate to impose Walker-style policies on a national level.

An Obama administration in its second term with a Democratic majority just might some progress on issues that need to be dealt with (and things like SS would be much more safe). The primaries are a time to get the liberal voice out there, to work like hell to push the discourse on the issues, even understanding that inevitably the general election tends to shift toward the center. If the progressives can make gains on a Congressional and state level in the process, then we might have a chance come 2013.

I will heartfully welcome any

Desider — Tue, 05 Apr 2011 09:30:34 +0000

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I will heartfully welcome any progressive contenders in the 2012 primaries, and likely vote for a good one over Obama.

Should Obama win the Democratic nomination, I will evaluate his attention to issues important to me, and noting the amount of head-feint bullshit in this last time, I will compare his record and attitude and positions to the Republican and any Independent contenders.

Based on my feelings of real potential for my vote to be effective, deter calamity, rock the house, or be completely irrelevant, I will either pull the lever for the Republican, for Obama, for a 3rd-party, or abstain from voting.

Now, I can't imagine the Republicans fielding a real candidate at this point (i.e. making it to the top of the ticket), but I'm somehow not terribly infatuated with the "you gotta support Obama at all costs because he's there and what else ya gonna do?" argument.

Frankly I wish he'd gone back to Chicago to be mayor instead of Rahm. But I do like the summation of Obama as the "sitting-on-the-sidelines-until-convenient-to-make-an-advantageous-decision" president.

I also disagree that the stimulus would have been smaller. Frankly I think pressure would have been more on McCain not to screw it up, even though there would have still been tax-breaks and Wall-Street-bailouts galore.

Destor makes a good point to

oldenGoldenDecoy — Tue, 05 Apr 2011 08:00:00 +0000

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Destor makes a good point to consider...

A pledge that he will veto any bill that cuts Social Security, Medicare or Medicaid benefits for any Americans could change my mind, though. Are you in, Mr. President?

Yessiree... Obama better crap or get off the porcelain throne.

~OGD~

Big surprise...yep, I'm in.

stillidealistic — Tue, 05 Apr 2011 05:33:07 +0000

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Big surprise...yep, I'm in. Not as excited as I was in 2008, but I'm in nonetheless. The President has not been everything I hoped he would be, but I think I understand why he was unable to be. I had some unrealistic expectations, and I believe he did as well. Given all that he has had to face, I think he's done a reasonably good job, and I still think he deserves 8 years to try and repair the 8 bush had to destroy us.

There is a small (very small) part of me that would like to let the repubs have the reins again, just so people can see how screwed up they really are, but I'm too afraid of what they can do, especially now that they are even CRAZIER than they were before. WI is a GREAT example.

I am still a disillusioned Dem, but I AM a Dem, and I am more militantly anti-repub than I was in 2008, if that is possible. I will do NOTHING that will help to get one elected, not even to dog catcher.