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I do differentiate. I don't

rmrd0000 — Thu, 21 Apr 2011 02:06:53 +0000

In reply to Who says people don't realize

I do differentiate. I don't really mourn Egyptian troops who attacked Egyptian citizens. I have similar feelings about Gaddafi forces and the Libyan rebels. I don't mourn the folks who flew planes into the World Trade Center, and yes I put the Confederates in the same category. (I had a feeling that question was coming)

Who says people don't realize

rmrd0000 — Thu, 21 Apr 2011 01:51:14 +0000

In reply to Suffering is more shared than

Who says people don't realize that suffering is shared? The Buffalo soldiers were sent out with second hand equipment to suppress Native Americans. One abused group used to control another abused group. Suprisly today many Blacks talk about their Native American heritage with pride.

Oops, I mentioned Black folks again, my bad.

Just needed to stick my

we are stardust — Wed, 20 Apr 2011 21:58:32 +0000

In reply to Sorry for not responding

Just needed to stick my tongue out at ya, Obey. I sorta hoped my home-baked explanation on why it was a contentious and important subject for so many held some water, was all. Oddly, it never had been for me until I'd been interested in the alternative understandings and possibilities. Well, except for my son; and listening was required. ;o)

Thanks. I think. Hmmm.

Sorry for not responding

Obey — Wed, 20 Apr 2011 21:42:22 +0000

In reply to A few thoughts on the Big

Sorry for not responding earlier. yeah, cuz it's just a sexist thing, you see...

sheesh. Methinks you're getting a wee bit sensitive (though that is understandable given the lumps you've been taking here...). I comment on your comments you more than pretty much anyone else, no? This here was a back-and-forth with Q and I figured not everyone's comments - you, Brew - needed commenting.

Partly because I didn't want to get into the whole thorny issue of how Democrats should talk to and/or about Southern Whites. Can't generalize too much and all that, but there is a dysfunctional ressentiment that drives Southern politics, and its just exacerbated by the way their sense of victimhood is reinforced by coastal dems treating them with contempt and disdain. Not the best attitude if you're trying to make friends and influence people. But then there seems to be a mutual agreement to not try to make friends. It's the whole mock-Civil-War enactment that I was kidding about the other day. There is an agreement to just lob turds back and forth and maybe maybe have a debate about who started lobbing first. I'm sure you and others have more interesting and constructive things to say about how to get out of that vicious cycle.

Sorry, that's all I got. Not really worth a dime...

So glad to see you responded

we are stardust — Wed, 20 Apr 2011 21:14:52 +0000

In reply to Losses? Think you guys - Q

So glad to see you responded to Quinn, but not stardust. Goddam men. I grant you he wrote better, but still...eat a big one, Obus Puggus.

Losses? Think you guys - Q

Obey — Wed, 20 Apr 2011 20:03:26 +0000

In reply to Well, in that case, I agree.

Losses? Think you guys - Q and Desi - have been doing pretty well, personally. These few threads have been a great ride - with some nasty bumps here and there, obviously. Still ... very much worth the trip! Learned a lot, tweaked a lot of thoughts about America's primal narratives and how they affect people and politics now.

I hope we come back to this stuff again.Maybe from an angle which doesn't get everyone's backs up. Though the problem may be that no such angle exists. There is too much suspicion on all sides that every non-orthodox argument serves some nefarious agenda, a fear that loosening one's grip on old tenets and dogma somehow will send the country over a cliff. The country is like a walking paranoid schizophrenic: THEY'RE out to get you. And, of course, ... they are out to get you. Or some of them are. But that still shouldn't stop sensible people from letting go of dogma to get a handle on ... reality.

Anyhow, I probably should have bit that bullet before this thread died on us. It would have been interesting to throw it out there and see what bounced back...

Its been fun. THanks.

How many posts have you made

rmrd0000 — Wed, 20 Apr 2011 18:17:21 +0000

In reply to Your Southern angst more than

How many posts have you made where you don't use your repetitive dismissal of the quality of supplied links because they don't agree with your POV? How many infantile episodes of name-calling and profanity have you posted? when I actually see you doing something other than talking about your ability to blog, maybe I'll gain ome respect. The rest of us are putiing our money where our mouths are politically, mentoring, and doing a whole host of other things to impact our community in the real world, not bragging about our blogs.

If you think my posts are repetitive, re-read some of yours.

Your Southern angst more than

rmrd0000 — Wed, 20 Apr 2011 15:28:39 +0000

In reply to Yes, several non-mainstream

Your Southern angst more than compensates for my racial angst. You spend a great deal of time lamenting how Southerners are viewed. Most of the time folks don't obsess over the South until someting happens like a couple of Governors declaring secession celebrations and failing to mention Slavery. That creates the impressions one has of the South. Rebel yell that. Things that are being done today create the image. General public knowledge of the Civil War is likely decreasing, so in time your Southern angst will be soothed.

The other times people marvel at things like a California Republican sending out an e-mail depicting Obama as a monkey. We also are fascinated by Donald Trump and his great reltionship with "The Blacks". The actions of a dictatorial Republican Governor in Michigan using his new powers to esentially abolish the mostly Black township of Benton Harbor are noted. None of the aactions were done by people associated with the South. Posts about the monkey e-mail and Trump and his interactions with African-American are not done because in the scheme of things they are sideshow issues. Posts about Benton Harbor are not done because one realizes that a blog may provide some personal emotional release, but will have zero impact on Benton Harbor. Instead one looks at what else the Michigan dictator is doing and turns attention to actions in taking over the Detroit schools and finds massive teacher layoffs.

Benton Harbor and Detroit both have majority Black populations and that may feed my Black angst, but I realize the Michigan dictator just like his counterpart in Wisconsin is attempting to destroy unions ( Multiracial unions) along with his land grab in Benton Harbor. I see that the Michigan situation equals the Wisconsin situation equals the Ohio situation equals the New Jersey situation. Then, one determines where they can place their money in the most effective way to try to turn the political tide in the next election cycle.

You somehoe see your Southern focus as valid and my African-American focus as bad. Afrcan-Americans serve as the canaries in the mineshaft on may issues, so I'm not bothered by your criticism, in fact, I consider it a badge of honor coming from you. By the way, you may not like decisions made by Scalia (neither do I), but Scalia remains 1/9 of the Supreme Court and is the only Justice to suggest how he feels about the secssion issue Baseball analogies don't change that fact.

You've written what,

brewmn — Wed, 20 Apr 2011 13:19:40 +0000

In reply to You're the poster boy for

You've written what, like three substantive blogs in your entire time here and at TPM? Since you've got enough time to respond, at great length, to every insult real and perceived, I would think you'd have time to offer something more than acting as the head thought cop here on this site. You don't seem to do a whole lot else.

I notice you ignore the elephant in the room: that Desider has a history of (again, putting in charitably) racially insensitive arguments and comments. This entire post was a provocation, with ugly racial overtones. But come out defending the guy with both barrels, and then try to claim the moral high ground.

I'll be happy not to engage any of you the minute you stop spreading manure all over the sites that I frequent. But if you want the freedom to say any ignorant, bigoted thing you want and not get called on it, then have your discussions on a private forum from now on.

And Quinn, the reason we

Desider — Wed, 20 Apr 2011 05:21:42 +0000

In reply to To get a sense of why

And Quinn, the reason we don't know anything about Canada is because we didn't invade you. Americans only learn about the world through our wars and occupations or at least trade battles that we've had to whitewash. I.e. the more propaganda needed, the more we "know" the region.

Okay, we learned there was Montreal and Toronto because you had the sense to get baseball teams. Vancouver only because of draft dodgers. Aside from that, terra incognita. I hear you stole our Rocky Mountains and have skiing, but don't really believe it - the pictures I've seen are all flat, and Jack London didn't ski. We're more familiar with Vietnam than we are with Alberta. (And despite all my education, I have to stop myself and think "is it Calgary, Alberta or Alberta, Calgary?" How fucked is that?)