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This is a subject that people

Richard Day — Wed, 27 Apr 2011 09:14:00 +0000

This is a subject that people do not like to discuss, that is for sure.

Your short analysis has substance; for sure.

I think the sins committed within the context of the church from which I came makes it all much more barbaric to me.

I mean they pound into you the evils of sex and sexual thoughts so hard--blame Augustine certainly as well as other sociopaths--that by the time you are seven or eight you have been completely 'debriefed'. Then the hormones kick in and you are taught how to truly hate yourself until you individually break the cultural bonds.

I never was abused inside or outside of the church.

I am just amazed at the extent of it all.

Now take a young man who has given himself to the church, has become a priest and is supposed to deny himself; his true self for the next half century.

Thoughts are a mortal sin for chrissakes!

And this priest finds an underground if you will; a way in which he might find satisfaction without being found out...

There are deep Freudian and Jungian forces at work here.

And for some the worst sins, the most mortal of mortal sins grants some twisted fool pleasures beyond belief.

And that is my sermon for the day!

I think that a really

Orion — Wed, 27 Apr 2011 08:07:57 +0000

In reply to POPES, PEDERASTY & PEDOPHILIA

I think that a really critical fallacy is being demonstrated by laying what's happened with the Catholic church right at the feet of the Catholic Church, Christianity or even organized religion.

With unreasonable restrictions on sexuality and an unquestioned authority over children, the Catholic Church created a perfect recipe for abuse. The potential for this sort of abuse is available wherever adults have authority over children. A mirror image of the relocation of abusive priests has occurred in this country's public schools, where "rubber rooms" are created for undesirable state employees who have done any number of acts that would have gotten them fired if it weren't for the impenetrable security of a union job. The Catholic Church and public schools may seem oppositional entities that advertise themselves as alternatives to one another but the same dynamics of unlimited power on the part of adults and weakness on the part of children are at play.

I worked at a publicly funded summer camp as a teenager and saw firsthand a long time employee slap an autistic child. I reported it and the employee was shouted down by her boss but she was kept on the payroll as the camp did not have enough personnel to replace her. Critiquing the Church as an institution may help to reform that institution in particular, but there will always be risk when adults are placed in authority over children, the ultimate silent sufferers.

Isn't she a hoot? You should

mageduley — Mon, 25 Apr 2011 23:45:27 +0000

In reply to Oh I like Ms. Sweeny, a lot!

Isn't she a hoot? You should watch the whole thing, DD (I think all the parts are there in 10 minute segments on youtube). It is funny, sad, and very thought provoking. Makes you look at the bible in a whole new light, especially from a Catholic point of view.

Oh I like Ms. Sweeny, a lot!

Richard Day — Mon, 25 Apr 2011 23:36:25 +0000

In reply to Hi DD,I also grew up Roman

Oh I like Ms. Sweeny, a lot! hhahahahahah

The age of reason. I mean you are 7 and you have reached the age of reason?

I love this Mage...I was one of five but there were two or three miscarriages...

Besides Dad died when I was 12. I am sure he had many children left in him as they say!

It is funny because my state had an age of reason pegged at 18. I mean, if you killed someone at 17 you were sent to detention. If you were 18 you went to prison.

That is all changed now. 13 year olds are tried as adults....

Great show Mage!

Hi DD,I also grew up Roman

mageduley — Mon, 25 Apr 2011 23:25:00 +0000

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Hi DD,

I also grew up Roman Catholic. I was #5 out of 7 kids. (insert your own Irish Catholic joke here)

I watched this video by Julia Sweeney and found a kindred spirit. You might find something to ponder in it as well (and will get all the jokes).

For all of those reading this and thinking all athiests are nasty and militant it might help you to get a feel for what a good many people think when they shed the religion they were brought up in.

I went back to Wiki to

Richard Day — Mon, 25 Apr 2011 22:40:49 +0000

In reply to Well, to be a catholic

I went back to Wiki to refresh my memories of Pope Pius XII.

He had been an ambassador to Germany during the 1920's when Hitler assumed power.

It does not seem to be included in the short bio, but Pius XII blessed the Italian troops prior to invading Ethiopia.

There are wonderful folks working hard in the HRCC to do good. I know this.

But damn! How many leaders in the Muslim religion do I adore? none

I am stuck in my own culture and do the best I can to look at these things without an ethnocentric bias.

I am sure that some right winger would accuse me of defending the Qaran and dissing the Bible.

I grew up in the Holy Roman Catholic Church and I despise its teachings. All of its teachings...no!

But damn, denying one's sexuality, denying the stations of Male/Female, denying the separation of the material from the immaterial....

I came upon the tomb and the rock had been opened and no body lied therein.

That is all fine and dandy.

But the hierarchy that developed from this short Biblical sentence, is not thereby rationalized.

Oh I am rambling.

Thank you Sync for chiming in!

I disagree that it was

CVille Dem — Mon, 25 Apr 2011 22:34:35 +0000

In reply to Humanity always seems to

I disagree that it was "humanity" that kicked this hypocrite in the butt.

I am honestly shocked at your take on this. Well, YOU were not shocked at all that he got a student pregnant and was separating from his wife...I wonder if his wife might have been.

So YOU were not wounded by this? I sincerely hope this is snark, because after all, you had no skin in the game. (His wife did, BTW)

Suppression doesn't work? What are you calling suppression? A promise that people make, when they mutually consent to get married? Oh, well, he wanted to have his OWN child, so all bets are off.

Well, if this guy is that big of a narcissist (and now I wonder about you as we'll, since most of your comments were about how IT affected YOU!!!!) then, he should have split with the woman he no longer cared about and moved on with his incubator.

Really. I don't remember any post that has pissed me off more than yours!

I guess it makes me understand some other behavior of yours better.

Well, to be a catholic

CVille Dem — Mon, 25 Apr 2011 22:20:20 +0000

In reply to POPES, PEDERASTY & PEDOPHILIA

Well, to be a catholic requires a state of denial anyway. But then, that is true of other religions as well. The catholic church is one of those that requires the denial to include horrible, abusive behaviors by those whom all their followers are instructed to blindly trust. I guess the biggest difference here is that the powerful (in the church) have consciously institutionalized the abuse, relying on the fear of ETERNAL DAMNATION if anyone spoke out.

Talk about war crimes....These perverts got away for decades ...no, centuries...in a war against the most innocent.

His urge to be a father was

Richard Day — Mon, 25 Apr 2011 21:23:03 +0000

In reply to Humanity always seems to

His urge to be a father was obvious!

Sync you are soooo very right!

Hiding an urge for a lifetime is near impossible!

I had a teacher as a child who broke from his usual routine to point out that although in society we are supposed to be men or women...there are shades gray.

There are masculine males and feminine males and masculine females....

He was not coming on to anybody. He was making a point that I did not realize until years later.

I will see a comic or an actor or a politician and think: hell this guy is effeminate. As if I were the only one to see this in his behavior.

And yet someone I would label as effeminate (read the f word), has 5 children and a wonderful marriage. Or a the guy I would label as masculine masculine loves men!

Some of us harbor deep deep secrets. The wall we build is for protection from the onslaught of slings and arrows of outragious fortune. ha

We create our own parallel universes; and we act as if!

Then we point our fingers at those who feel as we feel and attack them for acting upon their true selves.

the end

Humanity always seems to

synchronicity — Mon, 25 Apr 2011 20:59:22 +0000

In reply to POPES, PEDERASTY & PEDOPHILIA

Humanity always seems to come around and kick leaders of supression in the butt one way or another.

Many spiritual teachers preaching abstinence find themselves having sex with their students etc. One teacher that I know of that was requiring abstinence from his devotees at some point began secretly having sex with men and women students.

A male spiritual teacher I had for a while was married to an older spiritual teacher who had three older girls when they married. When he spoke of his childhood he always lit up and I was not shocked at all when I found out that he had gotten one of his students pregnant and was separating from his wife. His urge to be a father was obvious. I was not at all wounded by the experience... and of course this is an example regarding consenting adults. I just use it to make the point that supression doesn't work at least not forever.