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Larry Flynt Dies at 78
By artappraiser on Wed, 02/10/2021 - 7:09pm |I refuse to use the NYTimes' full headline, because I disagree that building the Hustler empire was the most important thing he did with his life.
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Annette Gordon-Reed!
by artappraiser on Wed, 02/10/2021 - 7:31pm
by artappraiser on Wed, 02/10/2021 - 7:40pm
Gloria Steinem disagrees
(as do I - she made a good case all those years ago - don't see much as having changed - women still seem I'm last place for outrage, and whitewashing Flyby - who went the extra 100 miles to be outrageous and indecent always - seems as perverse as his mag)
Sure, pick on Falwell and you make friends - but that's the kind of ally of convenience that's dragged the GOP down. The enemy of your enemy isn't always a worthy friend)
https://www.feminist.com/resources/artspeech/media/flynt.htm
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 02/10/2021 - 7:51pm
Yes I know but I have always disagreed with her, I think he's a culture wars hero. After his big main contribution, he could still always be called on to contribute when no one else would, he didn't have to do that! Politicians could wisely butt out of culture warring and quit feeding the trolls, Larry would handle it and he was pretty damn good at it, too.
by artappraiser on Wed, 02/10/2021 - 7:57pm
Well, i understand his offering money for hypocritical politicians boffing women or men on the side was a response to the Clinton-Lewinski thing, and man were there some juicy cases of hypocrisy - all for. But the charred women, brutal rapes, etc - that's not part of his heroism. It's a bit like Julian Assange worship - people are fixated on the Manning video from 2010 or whenever, but know nothing about Assange's gross unjournalistic behavior in so many cases since then.
Somewhat smilarly, do i know much about Steinem aside from this letter, her Ms. magazine, undercover Playboy exposé? Not really.
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 02/10/2021 - 8:05pm
I just scrolled through 100's and 100's results for a search on Twitter for "Larry Flynt". I was actually shocked, I did not see evidence of one negative tweet, but tons of people wanting to express admiration and thanks some way, only a very few saying anything like "thanks for the porn," just lots of ordinary people who don't tweet a lot but they know about him that he was an important American character and that he touched their lives and they want to share that he died with their followers. One of a kind.
I think we've had the discussion before about Hugh Hefner. Now him I always found both a slimeball and goofball and way pretentious for no reason. I could never understand why so many celebs I thought were great liked him. Larry was down to earth, funny, an honest rebel, no bullshit and no pretensions.
On Gloria I will just say that as a teen I thought she was cool because her looks proved the guys wrong who said all feminists were feminists only because they were ugly. But by the time of college I realized she was basically a shallow People Magazine version of feminism, quite a bit uptight Yankee prim and a bit of a pill, and trying to imitate Susan Sarandon but way missing the mark because she had a very shallow intelligence. Good at mass market agitprop, i.e., let's infiltrate Playboy bunnydom.
[edit to fix typo]
by artappraiser on Thu, 02/11/2021 - 1:04am
Thanks, i don't know if popularity changes the inherent argument (girls get acid thrown on them in India - perhaps a nude Hustler issue of them would be good - seriously - tho perhaps not - does it encourage it? Does it expose and shame it? Is it just life in another form?) but says something that he was so well liked. And again, I'm not any particular Steinem fan, just remembered that letter as valuable input to weighing things - wouldn't be a proper obit without. I feel your better sympathies for the down-to-earth Flynt vs slick kind of weird Hefner, even tho there were good things to both's offering, along with the counterweight to the Moral Majority and similar.
by PeraclesPlease on Thu, 02/11/2021 - 1:50am
by PeraclesPlease on Thu, 02/11/2021 - 2:44am
Sitting on a caboose one night shortly after I had taken the local rep job and talking to an 'old head' about union business and stories about actions on that property he had been involved in since shortly after WWII. At some point he told me: If the choice is ever yours, protect the young guys. [seniority wise] If they are protected the old guys are too.
That quote of Flynt brought it to mind.
by A Guy Called LULU on Thu, 02/11/2021 - 3:05am
by artappraiser on Wed, 02/10/2021 - 10:39pm