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"Cultural appropriation turns Halloween into a nightmare"
By artappraiser on Wed, 10/31/2018 - 12:21am |Guest op-ed by Jonathan Turley @ TheHill.com, Oct. 30, posted 12 pm edt
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A caravan of mothers and children is being demonized. Birthright citizenship is being challenged for political purposes. A synagogue is the site of a massacre. An Iowa Congressman is an open white supremacist. Iowa voters keep sending him back to Congress. Voter suppression is rampant. We are not a united country. We are at each other’s throats. Battles over cultural appropriation seem inevitable. Cultures that feel they are under siege are not going to be joyful when they see praise given to a person wearing an outfit “celebrating” a culture under attack. We are supposed to feel for the person wearing the costume and ignore the complaint of some who are upset about the way their group is treated on a daily basis. No need to have a dialog, we’ll just wear whatever costume we want. Rinse, repeat. Want to calm down reactions to costumes? Not electing a racist for President might be a good start.
by rmrd0000 on Wed, 10/31/2018 - 8:19am
Excellent article and highly recommended (by me).
There is no real definition of "cultural appropriation", is there? I mean, how do we appropriate a taco? It seems to me "cultural appropriation" and "political correctness" are getting balled up together and making for a lot of confusion for a bunch of little kids that just want to get free candy.
A purity test for this conundrum is pretty simple, just ask the kid why she wants to dress up like Pocahontas. If she says it's because Pocahontas is smart and brave and cool, let the kid fly. If she says it's because she wants to be like Elizabeth Warren when she grows up, give that kid a hug for me.
As a side note, my 2 year old granddaughter is a Pumpkin Princess this year. Yeah, that's pretty cool.
by wabby on Wed, 10/31/2018 - 9:44am
Unfortunately, if it were that simple, there would be no need for Turley to write the article. Much of the furor comes from costume choices made by college students and older adults.
by rmrd0000 on Wed, 10/31/2018 - 10:02am
Oh, those college students ruin everything. Maybe there should be a new law that people college age and over are only allowed to dress up as werewolves, mummys, vampires, and ghosts. Maybe pirates, but that's pushing the envelope. Peracles can no longer wear his French maid uniform. We can have Trump sign an executive order.
by wabby on Wed, 10/31/2018 - 10:58am
Cultural appropriation has been the norm at Halloween. Multiple colleges are apparently putting rules in place to prevent conflict. It might be that more and more college students are taking into account the sensibilities of others. It may seem strange to old folk, but perhaps it is part of a healing process. I noted that the Parkland students were acutely aware the news media was focused on the mass shooting aspect of gun violence, but rapidly sought out black and Latino students to bring attention to urban gun violence. I compare that to the old folks who were organizing the Women’s March who had to be literally forced to include ethnic minorities in the planning.It may be that the youngsters are more culturally aware than us old folk. The costume restrictions may reflect an awareness we don’t get.
by rmrd0000 on Wed, 10/31/2018 - 11:17am
Watcha say, Pumpkin? perhaps you've missed "speaks Pirate day, aaargghh", but Jolly's got that locked up, but that French maid's been made, MeTooed, so barge on with another garb - Alice in Chains? too restrictive, violates my restraining order. Vamping Vampires? (you realize Elvira ripped off Vampira/Maila Nurmi, no?). Ghosting like doxxing's disapproved on the internetz. Mummy's too infantilizing. Werewolf hardly possible w modern GPS. i'd go as a college student, but then I'd have to be lame & stay home. how about dressing up as some confused exploitive dude, but in a kind of retreating reserved kind of way, like halfway disappeared? Hard to figure out appropriate appropriation.
I got it - I'm moving to the Isle of White - always room at the inn there!!! (& the Brits like celebrating Halloweeny 4 days or a week, not just 1 - turning into Carneval...). We can play Twister and Spin the Bottle & cribbage and all the lame white stuff we're known for. Too loo too ray!!!
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 10/31/2018 - 11:22am
Peracles can no longer wear his French maid uniform. We can have Trump sign an executive order.
You have wicked thoughts, wabby, you should let it go more often.
Reminds me of this Brit celebrity artist I follow on Twitter, Grayson Perry. He's a total hetero but also an unashamed transvestite, married to a psychotherapist who is the author of a well-known book about "how to stay sane". Grayson often appears in public as his female alter-ego, Claire, and Claire is in a lot of his ceramic art. He's pretty pop mainstream now over there, the public gets him, no problem. But then the Brits have always had a soft spot for kink.
by artappraiser on Wed, 10/31/2018 - 3:51pm
Waddayamean "also an unashamed transvestite"? I'm a totally shamed transvestite (though do look pretty cute in a teddy). The shame's half the fun. Reminds me of Sweet Movie where the woman's seducing and killing boys in a pool of chocolate. "I could never get the bitter taste out", she proclaims as they lead her away.
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 10/31/2018 - 4:22pm
Not wanting to brag but I've been way out in front on this issue long before anyone was discussing it. In the 70's when I was a teen I decided I hated wearing costumes and stopped dressing up for Halloween. In my early 20's I decided I didn't like going to parties at all and stopped celebrating Halloween. If more people would follow my lead all this Halloween controversy would quickly end.
by ocean-kat on Wed, 10/31/2018 - 12:03pm
Now, that's funny right there.... from someone who lives in a ghost town.
by wabby on Wed, 10/31/2018 - 12:36pm
Think of it as Amish ghosts - lots of boos, no zippers, togas kinda tolerated.
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 10/31/2018 - 1:57pm
If I had ocean-kat's job, I would think about having a real wicked Day of the Dead party every Nov. 1, no p.c. allowed. Experimenting with inhabiting everything evil about the past. Be as bad as ya wanna, let it all hang out, put Burning Man to shame. Leave Halloween as the safe p.c. Disney-fied day and Day of the Dead become the new Halloween like it should be anyways.
National Geographic slideshow. Where whiteface is the thing.
by artappraiser on Wed, 10/31/2018 - 3:33pm
There are lots of fun things to do at a ghost town on Halloween.
by ocean-kat on Wed, 10/31/2018 - 8:43pm
Blackface is so yesterday. It's a modern world. We need to move on to the problems we're facing today. The Gymnastics Federation is doing their part by banning the offensive cultural appropriation of Felines.
The International Gymnastics Federation Bans Cat Makeup For Gymnasts
by ocean-kat on Wed, 10/31/2018 - 12:20pm
This was more about cultural appropriation than blackface in particular. As predicted someone wanted to enter the blackface sweepstakes. A nurse in Missouri was fired
https://www.theroot.com/missouri-nurse-fired-for-blackface-beyonce-costu...
The cultural battles are only going to harden in the Trump years. The collegiate guidelines may become the norm.
by rmrd0000 on Wed, 10/31/2018 - 12:49pm
Some of it looks cute but it trivializes traditional feline culture by making it appear childish.
Other times it mocks and derides.
But the worst is the minstrel shows.
by ocean-kat on Wed, 10/31/2018 - 1:10pm
Whatever. In the real world, people risk unemployment.
by rmrd0000 on Wed, 10/31/2018 - 2:31pm
for cat make up, it's about time. We've got to put a stop to it.
by ocean-kat on Wed, 10/31/2018 - 2:34pm
Bar Rafaeli does blackface - Muslims not amused.
https://twitter.com/fancydaisiesx/status/1057222484334911488
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 10/31/2018 - 4:24pm
oy! wow, does that ad agency ever know how to target me or what? I am in awe of them. I am in shock and awe of the company deciding to run with it. Curious enough to want to follow how it all works out for them. Because: the millennials are where the money is. Supposedly the millennials are very p.c. Soooo....what happens next?
by artappraiser on Wed, 10/31/2018 - 4:41pm
After walking around London saying hi to women in full veils (was even helping one decide on the right Frappuccino taste at Starbucks, since she'd never tried it), I thought the ad was pretty shitty and self-conceited.
ETA - if my country was regularly accused of rights abuses & large-scale confinement against these very people Bar contends she's "liberating", well, that's just fucked up. Why doesn't she make an ad about Bibi renewing the peace process instead - then that shrouded woman would have more of a chance to make her *own* choices, not Bar's, which kinda is the definition of "liberated", not shaking your ass & hair wildly in front of a camera.
by PeraclesPlease on Thu, 11/01/2018 - 5:17am
That The Hill decided to publish this piece is a thing in itself to think about. And that it now has 2,269 comments.
Cultural issues are not exactly their traditional beat or "brand" as it were, it's not an audience they target. Turley himself is a legal expert on constitutional issues, so same thing, except he again has a different "brand" and audience. The Hill tends to stick to issues that would interest a select audience that is interested in congressional politics, full stop.
The reaction here is a message that should be heeded by the excessively politically correct about how hot button a thing they are playing with, how counter productive it might be with plain old rational beltway type people. Pearl clutchers in a society tend to understand intricacies of etiquette and diplomacy, that's why they clutch their pearls in shock when someone acts out of bounds. Who are they seeing as being offensive here? Yes, I am pointing out counter-productiveness to ultimate cause.
by artappraiser on Wed, 10/31/2018 - 4:08pm
The pearl clutchers are energized. More people seem to be disgusted by Trump and his fellow travelers than appear to care about Halloween. In this current cycle, the Republicans are trying to pretend they will uphold pre-existing conditions. That is a lie. People are pissed that Republicans are suppressing votes. There is a surge in voting going on and “pearl clutchers” are in the forefront.
by rmrd0000 on Wed, 10/31/2018 - 4:17pm
What the pearl clutchers think according to the Rmrd Poll. Sorry, I trust Rmrd polling less than I trust Rasmussen.
by artappraiser on Wed, 10/31/2018 - 4:30pm
People are not going to vote because of Halloween costumes
Republicans are smelling the stench from their party. No one is taking on Trump but Steve King is fair game.
Republicans who left the party admit that their base is racist, just like the pearl clutchers have noted since Day One.
There is no Halloween costume vote.
by rmrd0000 on Wed, 10/31/2018 - 4:40pm
With this comment, you just agreed with most of the arguments here on dag that have disagreed with your jihad-like posting against "cultural appropriation".
Why did you waste everyone's time continually arguing for months that this is of great import?
by artappraiser on Wed, 10/31/2018 - 5:05pm
And then they came for Rajneesh and I didn't stand up for him.
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5bd9fadfe4b0da7bfc169d0f
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 10/31/2018 - 5:09pm
hah. Seriously, comes to mind SNL has long grappled with this kind of "poor taste" issue. I always loved their send-ups of like Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein, I think they release the tension about horrific acts, that type of thing is always what I tune in for, hoping to see.
by artappraiser on Wed, 10/31/2018 - 5:19pm
I will add that here is how I take what you have been doing: you presume we are idiots about Afro-American sub-culture and need to be trained by your expertise about what is offensive and what is not. What you don't see is that several here find your preaching extremely unsophisticated about Afro-American culture, as if you had been in a coma since 1980 and think everything is the same as 1980, that the same set of rules about behavior apply as in 1980.
You need to way way up your game if you want to be taken seriously here in this little community without being ridiculed. You are not dealing with Trumpies and no amount of straw manning is going to make us into them.
by artappraiser on Wed, 10/31/2018 - 5:21pm
Megyn Kelly was fired. Kelly was criticized by Al Roker and Craig Melvin.Andrew Lack fired her behind.
The Missouri nurse wore blackface. Her behind was fired.
You seem to think that your ridicule means something to me.
I tell you that people can get fired for blackface. People get fired.
You attack me.
You are in a bubble
by rmrd0000 on Wed, 10/31/2018 - 6:15pm
Well thankee, Mr Rmrd, I had no idea you could get fired for saying or doing blackface, cuz I have trouble reeding the newz wid my limited eddycayshun. But shazam, it seems you shoor are right, they fired Mizz Kelly alright.
How much blacksplainin' you think us dumb yokels in the "bubble" need? AA's in the art scene living in the Bronx, and a newsfiend to boot - what kind of "bubble" could that be? Perhaps you're projecting some? Maybe you see us as some dumb cracker like a white Stepin Fetchit.
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 10/31/2018 - 10:10pm
you pegged it totally, I am just so tired of the bowing and scraping and shuffling round here to rmrd trolling because you know, he says he's black American (and not Russian) so everyone else has to bow and scrape and can't be honest, though no one can know for sure what color skin most of them have either
by artappraiser on Wed, 10/31/2018 - 10:16pm
Why is it trolling to point out the results of wearing blackface? How is it blacksplaining to link to articles that detail news events? Explain to me why you think that a teacher would not face scrutiny for wearing blackface? Why do you think that a politician or police officer might not be asked to resign if they were photographed wearing blackface. I truly do not understand your support for blackface. You are attacking me for merely reporting the news.
It is 2018. I’m not seeing signs that the black community supports blackface. When Rachael Dolezal was exposed , she was met with swift condemnation. You say that I am stuck in 1980. I see nothing that supports your position on blackface. Well, maybe Ye does.
Edit to add:
I admit that I don’t understand why my stance on the issue of blackface is controversial.
Here is a link to an article about Al Roker dressing up as Doc Brown from Back to the Future. Roker did not change his skin color.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/al-roker-today-megyn-kelly-blackfac...
The Davenport school teacher apologized for wearing blackface
https://wqad.com/2018/10/31/davenport-teacher-will-be-eternally-sorry-fo...
I have no clue why you are both so upset. The post is about an article by Turley. Here is what Turley says in the article.
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There are clearly racist costumes that most of us join in denouncing, such as blackface or other raw portrayals
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I don’t understand your argument.
by rmrd0000 on Wed, 10/31/2018 - 11:56pm
First, you don't want to understand or consider, so this is pointless.
Second, Roker dressing as a black Doc Brown is the kind of slapstick you're saying you hate, but since it's minstrel humor directed at whites, you don't mind. For the record, I don't mind either - but the 1-sided hypocrisy of "it's ok when we do it, but you can't" is grating. It's just skin color, goddammit - you're either fine with people being orange, yellow, blue or you're hung up on color, but you can't preach how color blind and enlightened you are and then stay hung up on skin color. That you can buy bronze-on skin color in most any drugstore says society not only approves, it likes. Except when done for horridly racist reasons, which you/others have extended to any drama or costume use.
Third, the minstrely blackface with exaggerated lips is a racist image at this point, up there with caricatures of Jews with big hooked noses, et al. It's immediately recognizable, and I get its being anathema - it's a direct reminder of Jim Crow days. But this is 2018 - someone putting a bit of color on their face for nice reasons isn't imitating Jim Crow per se.
by PeraclesPlease on Thu, 11/01/2018 - 2:46am
the minstrely blackface with exaggerated lips is a racist image at this point,
Unless it's done by a black man in drag. For example Jamie Foxx and Martin Lawrence. Then the exaggerated lips is hilariously funny to black folks.
by ocean-kat on Thu, 11/01/2018 - 5:10am
Ah yes, I'd addressed that elsewhere, but making fun of women is fair game in all sorts and settings, for whatever ethnic group - clothes, hair, tits, walk, tranny stuff, all good fun. [especially perceived ugly or fat women]
However it's also ok for black people to make fun of drunk or homeless poor black folk - especially those who show some sign of mental disability. Rockingly funny. Do *not* try this, white people - it's racist and hurtful and you're to blame as well.
by PeraclesPlease on Thu, 11/01/2018 - 5:12am
The major point is that Roker did not change his skin color. Turley specially calls out blackface as racist. Turley disagrees with you. I disagree with you. I posted a picture of a white couple portraying Jay-Z and Beyoncé. They did not have to alter their skin.
by rmrd0000 on Thu, 11/01/2018 - 8:53am
This view by Roker contradicts what you have posted here and what is happening. As PP has pointed out, " you/others have extended to any drama or costume use." For example the teen wearing a Chinese dress to her prom. She didn't color her skin and most ridiculous of all the Chinese dress wasn't even traditional. It was a mix of a traditional Chinese dress updated by Chinese fashion designers with western styles. It was an amalgam created by cultural appropriation of western styles.
by ocean-kat on Thu, 11/01/2018 - 3:42am
BTW, wasn't that making fun of a white guy's hair? Imagine shoe on other foot.
What % black do you need to be genetically to use the n-word, wear braids, claim to understand black matters?
by PeraclesPlease on Thu, 11/01/2018 - 5:04am
If you understand the history of black people in the United States, you would have read the words of other black people explaining why they feel blackface is offensive and have some understanding of the situation. You keep suggesting that I am a lone voice. If you watch the news, you will see people like Jason Johnson, Angela Rye, Simone Sanders, Jolani Cobb, Ta-Nehsi Coates, etc. I don’t think my views on issues are outliers. I don’t think you’d find any in the group supportive of blackface. That is why I made the bubble reference.
Don Lemon said white men are the biggest terror threat in the country
https://www.washingtonpost.com/arts-entertainment/2018/10/31/cnn-host-do...
Im not the outlier
by rmrd0000 on Thu, 11/01/2018 - 9:43am
Turley says blackface is racist. No need to alter skin color.
On the cultural appropriation part, I understand why marginalized groups are upset. I stand by the statement that there will be pushback in some cases.
Heck, Nikki Minaj was called out for cultural appropriation by wearing Asian clothing
https://www.thedailybeast.com/nicki-minajs-insulting-asian-fetish-in-chu...
Expect pushback for certain costumes
Wear blackface and it might be wise to be ready to be fired.
by rmrd0000 on Thu, 11/01/2018 - 9:03am
I don't know Turley, so he can piss off. Solved. 8 billion people on the planet - 1 or 2 make me no nevermind.
And what the fuck is "Asian clothing" - Lebanese cloaks? Turkish rock leather jackets? Indian saris? Kamchatkan parkas? Japanese geisha outfits? Shanghai businessmen suits? Uighur traditional hats? Thai strip club bikinis? Turkish fez (outlawed BTW). You never stop to consider the absurdities and contradictions in what you're preaching.
by PeraclesPlease on Thu, 11/01/2018 - 9:47am
I merely pointed out that Turley stated his position, one that disagrees with yours. Your support for blackface makes you the outlier. The Minaj performance included a variety of cultures.
by rmrd0000 on Thu, 11/01/2018 - 10:04am
I don't "support blackface" - I support freedom, fashion, innovation, evolution, short of abuse and bullying.
I can't see Moses adding an 11th Amendment, "Thou shalt not blackface".
I don't support campfires in endangered dry terrain, but I like campfires if can be done safely.
As a thought experiment, imagine if women could get away with proscribing all the shitty behavior they've been abused with, discriminated with, raped & assaulted with - but just for men. We'd have no beer, no movies, no cars, definitely no weapons, probably would have a 10pm curfew, and the list goes on and on.
Do you think black people will still be worrying about this stupid shit in 100 years?
If not, by which year will they/we turn the bend?
If so, when do you think paranoia of paint will end?
by PeraclesPlease on Thu, 11/01/2018 - 1:55pm
I’m dealing with 2018. If the Trump election is an indication, people may still be arguing about blackface 100 years from now. People thought Amos N’ Andy was hilarious, times change. I’m betting Halloween blackface goes the way of Al Jolson-style performances.
It is interesting that you claim that being upset about blackface is stupid stuff. I think most find it offensive now and will in the future (see Al Jolson). Again Ye and Candace Owens are probably on your side on this issue.
by rmrd0000 on Thu, 11/01/2018 - 2:27pm
Ye can suck my d*** - don't even go there, you twit.
BTW, apparently you've never been to a circus where they have clowns. No wonder you're so joyless.
PS - re "most find it offensive" - "most" by far are white and really don't give a shit. Of those who are blck, my guess is most dont care either, but it's trendy to get all alarmed about stupid shit while they're stealing elections from you and killing your people in the street. Eyes on the prize seems to have gone out of fashion - now it's stupid wins over substance.
by PeraclesPlease on Thu, 11/01/2018 - 3:53pm
Don’t need the circus to come into contact with clowns.
by rmrd0000 on Thu, 11/01/2018 - 3:55pm
Sorry, forgot u wake up with this every morning. Over, out.
by PeraclesPlease on Thu, 11/01/2018 - 3:59pm
On the issue of you trolling. I repeat myself:
Get some reading comprehension. Actually read the comments of the people here on dagblog and reply to those. Don't pretend we are your co-workers and are saying something else. That is trolling.
If you don't understand what a dagblogger is saying, that's all you should say, that you don't understand it. Don't start making them into a strawman. If you want to argue with a strawman, make a blog to do it. I for one refuse to be your willing victim to your inability to discuss things on a level everyone else on a thread is discussing. You constant derailing of threads with lowest common denominator arguments, as if you are arguing with your Trumpie co-workers, is INSULTING. Dagbloggers are not them. You treat us as if we are and need a Racism 101 lecture. It's insulting and it's very trollish, constanly derailing threads for arguments you'd apparently like to have with your idiot co-workers. It's dragging everything down to lowest common denominator. We are not Trumpies and hang out on this site because we don't want to discuss stuff as if we were.
by artappraiser on Thu, 11/01/2018 - 6:20pm
More, from your thread on Megyn Kelly. This is a nonsense interchange involving strawman. I am saying something you later agree with elsewhere. But at the time, you make up some bullshit to pretend I am saying something that I am not. I'm saying here that people who would do minstrel blackface are considered gross uncouth people born in a barn. You didn't read my comment! Or you have no reading comprehension! You just went on to suggest both I and PP "support blackface! DO YOU THINK READERS ARE THAT STUPID THAT THEY ARE NOT GOING TO SEE THAT? THIS IS MADDENING TROLLISH! Show some respect for your fellow Dagbloggers thoughts, read them, try to comprehend them and stop turning us into your bete noire co-workers
If you wish to argue with Trump fans that you are too chicken to argue directly with, please go to that type of website to do it or post a blog doing it. Do not use us as guinea pigs to try out your memes, either, if that's what you are trying to do. It's not going to work, we won't be dragged down to that level, that's not what we are spending time on the internet for.
Don't be surprised that few participate on your blogs of that type, though. Because we are not interested in arguing at Trump level. That's why we're at Dagblog, understand? But please don't push it on us by hijacking and trolling other threads.
by artappraiser on Thu, 11/01/2018 - 6:31pm
And while we're arguing the 30's, vote suppression continues.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/31/opinion/election-voting-rights-fraud-...
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 10/31/2018 - 11:01pm
+we helped Fox garrotte an apostate - can't leave the Fox plantation:
https://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2018/10/hell-hath-no-fury-like-fox-news-...
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 10/31/2018 - 11:05pm
My comments
Blackface can get you fired. See Megyn Kelly and the Missouri nurse as examples
Cultural appropriation will get backlash. Colleges are making suggestions. See Turley article.
The midterms are about the direction the country is headed.
Racists are being called racists
Try to keep,up
by rmrd0000 on Wed, 10/31/2018 - 6:08pm
From a quick impulsive google search, I just ran across this 2010 Australian medical therapy research article. And now it's got me wondering whether we have an unrecognized epidemic of traumatic brain injury on the left in the U.S.?
Evaluating the causes of impaired irony comprehension following traumatic brain injury
by artappraiser on Wed, 10/31/2018 - 8:31pm
I hear a bit of fecal matter helps. Different measures of beauty around the world(s). Or as this girl notes, "Irony this, bitch".
by PeraclesPlease on Thu, 11/01/2018 - 9:55am
Help. . In the 10 hours since my sensibly ignored reply to librewolf Latest Comments were comprised of 2 Ocean Kat and 12 rmr or Peracles . If they forsook duty , time to rename it
LatestCommentsby Flavius on Thu, 11/01/2018 - 10:47am
One of my favorite SNL skits, a spot on parody of 70s filmmaking. Talk about cultural appropriation. :)
by EmmaZahn on Thu, 11/01/2018 - 4:52pm
Thank you for the reminder. I would like to stress that this was more than 3 decades ago. And go further:
Ok, granted, that was not for network TV.
However, for network TV, with a lot of the country watching, there was the enormously popular parody of the minstrel character in "Our Gang" which defanged it's power:
by artappraiser on Thu, 11/01/2018 - 5:36pm
Comedians complain that the college audience has changed. Interesting to hear people who book comedy on college campuses discuss it. Comedian Judy Gold is one of those who refuses to do college campuses.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kBu3g4kiwck
Havent watched SNL in a long time, so I don’t know how it has changed. Time moves on
by rmrd0000 on Thu, 11/01/2018 - 6:10pm
Again, all of a sudden you are using the argument most of us have given you. You wasted our time arguing, now our words come out of your mouth. All of the rest you said was just babbling, we should have ignored it?
On the rest of the thread and on the Megyn Kelly thread you talk as if it is still 1980 and nothing has changed about race relations. Or more like 1920, with minstrel shows going on everyday allover the country. You find two incidences suggestive of minstrel like behavior in a country of 325 million people and it's an epidemic, and start ranting as if nothing has changed since 1920.
How can you not understand that making argument for the sake of argument is trolling?
by artappraiser on Thu, 11/01/2018 - 6:48pm
related in Kristof column yesterday, on political manipulation of tribalism, my underlining
from Voters, You’re Being Manipulated;l Trump and Fox News are trying to scare white voters into supporting Republican candidates.
by artappraiser on Thu, 11/01/2018 - 7:59pm