It is hugely (see what I did there?) helpful to have final cut privileges. Apprentice alums detal numerous instances where post production editing was crucial to vindicating Trump's postulated perspicacity.
It's amazing that dingbats like Digby still believe they can convince anyone, but other dingbat snowflakes, that they know much of anything about the business world or Trump's success. Trump voters know he was a hard nosed businessman from watching the Apprentice and that he turned millions of inherited dollars into billions of earned dollars and didn't give up when he was beat down.The simpleminded idea that they voted for him only because he was a self made man just shows how ignorant, arrogant and out of touch with working Americans these snowflake fools are.
Trump's voters know a little about business and that it's risky and bankruptcy is always possible but not always a sign of failure if the businessman doesn't give up and pushes on to success. People who don't take these risks depend on others who do, for their security just like the thousands of people who have and still do work for Trump's businesses.
by Peter (not verified) on Sat, 01/19/2019 - 5:17pm
See, some of us come from worlds where a bitch-slap or a violent threat isn't part of normal negotiations.
But as long as you're drinking the kool-aid, the $400 million he inherited & lied to the IRS about turned into maybe $400 million after years isn't "billions", as Trump's no billionaire - maybe Fred would come close.
And if "Trump's voters know a little about business", how come they're mostly dirt poor from flyover country scrambling for that last nickel, while US wealth distribution accumulates in the coastal cities, not in the fields or suburbs?
I'm sure you're comfortable living among the old money the Eurotrash siphoned from the rape of Africa in the good old days. The Germans 'negotiating' with the Greeks a few years ago was the best example of a bitch-slap I've ever seen.
I haven't seen anyone, but you, contest that Trump Inc is valued at between 2 and 10 $billion and the IRS sends a big team of auditors for free every year to help with his tax returns.
by Peter (not verified) on Sat, 01/19/2019 - 6:23pm
Whatever Trump is worth, he owes more than that to the Russian mob and Putin connected oligarchs.
Quite weird - do we have any idea how messaging towards Hispanics goes?
Reports from Florida had maybe 12% Cuban/Puerto Rican/Dominican support for Republicans.
Mexican/Central American may be opposite.
Trump boasted that his support among Latino voters has increased, but ignored that most won't vote for him
by Matthew Rozsa, Jan. 20
[....] Yet the numbers are a little more complicated than they were characterized as being in Trump's boast. The same poll also found that while 27 percent of Latino voters would "definitely vote for President Trump" in 2020, 58 percent would "definitely vote against him." Fifty percent of Latinos also felt that the Trump administration was doing "too little" to work with Democrats in Congress in order to end the shutdown, with only 32 percent saying that they were doing "about the right amount" and only 10 percent saying they were doing "too much." By contrast, 63 percent said that Democrats were doing too little to work with the Trump administration, compared to 17 percent who said they were doing the right amount and eight percent who said they were doing too much. Fifty-five percent said that they like elected officials who can work with people who they disagree with, while only 39 percent said they liked elected officials who "stick to their positions."
Here is more from that poll, significant drops with other groups:
"The Marist data for PBS shows a drop of 10 percent in job approval among Republicans and a decline of 11 percent among white evangelicals and 17% among suburban men." https://t.co/HUKIZ53CuH@BillKristol
I found interesting anecdotals in the WaPo article I cite below as well as reference to the NPR/Marist poll.
More and more I see the static approval rating of the last two years, which we news junkies think of as so mysterious, I think it is that the 7% swings that are not hard core 1/3 right wing of the country, for them: the Carville maxim still rules "it's the economy stupid". That's why they approved of his performance. Until now. They are the type of people that not only don't pay much attention to political news, they also are the type that are very cynical, they feel all politicians are crooks and the system is stacked and crooked as well. So the things we have found outrageous about Trump, they think it's just status quo. Until now. It's: go ahead and play your political games but remember it's the economy stupid as long as you do that you're better than most. These are the people that swing the presidential elections, this small swing population. And Carville was right about them and he's still right. Including that health care is usually #2 after the economy if there's no major war going on.
While the president’s relationship with much of his base remains strong, his ties are fraying with voters in key pockets throughout the industrial Midwest.
By Matt Viser from MACOMB COUNTY, Mich @ WashingtonPost.com, Jan. 21
[....] Many here, even those who still support Trump, say they hold him most responsible. They recite his comment from the Oval Office that he would be “proud to shut down the government.” When he said it, they listened.
“It’s silly. It’s destructive,” Daudert said, adding that all he knows about 2020 is that he won’t be supporting Trump. “I was certainly for the anti-status quo . . . I’ll be more status quo next time.” [....]
[....] An NPR/PBS NewsHour/Marist survey, conducted Jan. 10 to Jan. 13, found that his net approval rating had dropped seven points since December.
One of the biggest declines came among suburban men, whose approval rating of Trump fell a net 18 percentage points, while support from evangelicals and Republicans dipped by smaller margins. Among men without a college degree, the downward change was seven points.
As Jeremiah Wilburn, a 45-year-old operating engineer, browsed the aisles at Walmart for a new pair of coveralls, he reflected on some of those shifts. Like many voters here, after siding with Barack Obama in two elections, he decided to gamble with Trump in 2016. And for most of the past two years, he was pleased. The economy was humming, jobs were flowing, and wages seemed stable.
Until now.
“I was doing fine with him up until this government shutdown,” he said. “It’s ridiculous. You’re not getting the wall built for $5 billion. And Mexico is not paying for it, we all know that, too. Meanwhile, it’s starting to turn people like me away.”
He worries about the shutdown’s effect on the economy. He’s concerned about the impact on his brother, who works for the TSA in Florida.
To him, the shutdown standoff has also poked holes in Trump’s ability to say he cares for the working class, given that 800,000 federal employees and an additional number of contractors are going without paychecks.
“You can’t expect people to come to work without getting paid,” Wilburn said. “If I were them, I certainly wouldn’t come to work.” [.....]
Yes it's does look like his approval rating was always about it's the economy stupids, jobs, jobs, jobs. He finally lost them all and is down to rock bottom kookoorokoo 1/3 of the electorate that has always been with us:
New AP Poll: Overall, 34 percent of Americans approve of Trump’s job performance. That’s down from 42 percent a month earlier and nears the lowest mark of his two-year presidency. https://t.co/XnNGXdyq1R
What good is a dang wall if it costs 800,000 paychecks with massive collateral damage. I';m willing to bet That 7/8% or so liked the idea of a wall not because they hated the furriners but because the wall was supposedly gonna protect the paychecks and make em go up.
Comments
You can say what you want about Fred, he still made a hell of a TV star on Trackdown,,,by jollyroger on Sat, 01/19/2019 - 5:43am
Anyone with an explanation not embracing clairvoyant/precognitive scriptwriters invited to expound...personally, I'm a believer.
by jollyroger on Sat, 01/19/2019 - 5:45am
Holy Blood! it's Holy Blood!
But here's how to break the spell.
by PeraclesPlease on Sat, 01/19/2019 - 7:28am
It is hugely (see what I did there?) helpful to have final cut privileges. Apprentice alums detal numerous instances where post production editing was crucial to vindicating Trump's postulated perspicacity.
by jollyroger on Sat, 01/19/2019 - 7:37am
It's amazing that dingbats like Digby still believe they can convince anyone, but other dingbat snowflakes, that they know much of anything about the business world or Trump's success. Trump voters know he was a hard nosed businessman from watching the Apprentice and that he turned millions of inherited dollars into billions of earned dollars and didn't give up when he was beat down.The simpleminded idea that they voted for him only because he was a self made man just shows how ignorant, arrogant and out of touch with working Americans these snowflake fools are.
Trump's voters know a little about business and that it's risky and bankruptcy is always possible but not always a sign of failure if the businessman doesn't give up and pushes on to success. People who don't take these risks depend on others who do, for their security just like the thousands of people who have and still do work for Trump's businesses.
by Peter (not verified) on Sat, 01/19/2019 - 5:17pm
See, some of us come from worlds where a bitch-slap or a violent threat isn't part of normal negotiations.
But as long as you're drinking the kool-aid, the $400 million he inherited & lied to the IRS about turned into maybe $400 million after years isn't "billions", as Trump's no billionaire - maybe Fred would come close.
And if "Trump's voters know a little about business", how come they're mostly dirt poor from flyover country scrambling for that last nickel, while US wealth distribution accumulates in the coastal cities, not in the fields or suburbs?
by PeraclesPlease on Sat, 01/19/2019 - 5:32pm
I'm sure you're comfortable living among the old money the Eurotrash siphoned from the rape of Africa in the good old days. The Germans 'negotiating' with the Greeks a few years ago was the best example of a bitch-slap I've ever seen.
I haven't seen anyone, but you, contest that Trump Inc is valued at between 2 and 10 $billion and the IRS sends a big team of auditors for free every year to help with his tax returns.
by Peter (not verified) on Sat, 01/19/2019 - 6:23pm
Whatever Trump is worth, he owes more than that to the Russian mob and Putin connected oligarchs.
by NCD on Sat, 01/19/2019 - 6:58pm
You have that "Grumpy Old Man" bit down.
by PeraclesPlease on Sat, 01/19/2019 - 7:23pm
Yet you have to admit: much more interesting to read than that robot-spewing-nonsense-agitprop character.
by artappraiser on Sat, 01/19/2019 - 7:29pm
Which one?
by moat on Sat, 01/19/2019 - 8:08pm
Too weird, he had 50% approval rating with Latinos, legit poll, Jan. 10-13:
by artappraiser on Sun, 01/20/2019 - 2:08pm
Quite weird - do we have any idea how messaging towards Hispanics goes?
Reports from Florida had maybe 12% Cuban/Puerto Rican/Dominican support for Republicans.
Mexican/Central American may be opposite.
by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 01/20/2019 - 3:01pm
this article in Salon gets into some of details on Latino answers, but still doesn't get into the why with the anti immigration thing going on:
Trump boasts that Latinos are supporting him... but ignores that they'd still vote against him
Trump boasted that his support among Latino voters has increased, but ignored that most won't vote for him
by Matthew Rozsa, Jan. 20
by artappraiser on Sun, 01/20/2019 - 4:05pm
Here is more from that poll, significant drops with other groups:
by artappraiser on Sun, 01/20/2019 - 3:57pm
The Democrats' Hispanic problem in FLorida - https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/12/04/democrats-hispanic-vo...
by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 01/20/2019 - 4:11pm
153 Latinos polled, so 76 or 77 approve. Even though the Strongly Approve & Approve add up to 50%, most still have no intention of voting for Trump in 2020.
https://www.latinorebels.com/2019/01/20/potusapproval/
by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 01/20/2019 - 7:33pm
by artappraiser on Mon, 01/21/2019 - 1:30pm
I found interesting anecdotals in the WaPo article I cite below as well as reference to the NPR/Marist poll.
More and more I see the static approval rating of the last two years, which we news junkies think of as so mysterious, I think it is that the 7% swings that are not hard core 1/3 right wing of the country, for them: the Carville maxim still rules "it's the economy stupid". That's why they approved of his performance. Until now. They are the type of people that not only don't pay much attention to political news, they also are the type that are very cynical, they feel all politicians are crooks and the system is stacked and crooked as well. So the things we have found outrageous about Trump, they think it's just status quo. Until now. It's: go ahead and play your political games but remember it's the economy stupid as long as you do that you're better than most. These are the people that swing the presidential elections, this small swing population. And Carville was right about them and he's still right. Including that health care is usually #2 after the economy if there's no major war going on.
Some Trump voters now blame him for government shutdown
While the president’s relationship with much of his base remains strong, his ties are fraying with voters in key pockets throughout the industrial Midwest.
By Matt Viser from MACOMB COUNTY, Mich @ WashingtonPost.com, Jan. 21
by artappraiser on Tue, 01/22/2019 - 12:15am
Yes it's does look like his approval rating was always about it's the economy stupids, jobs, jobs, jobs. He finally lost them all and is down to rock bottom kookoorokoo 1/3 of the electorate that has always been with us:
What good is a dang wall if it costs 800,000 paychecks with massive collateral damage. I';m willing to bet That 7/8% or so liked the idea of a wall not because they hated the furriners but because the wall was supposedly gonna protect the paychecks and make em go up.
by artappraiser on Wed, 01/23/2019 - 4:35pm
And, you know, it was free. I promise you.
by moat on Wed, 01/23/2019 - 7:47pm
yeah, seems like it's like Steve said
by artappraiser on Wed, 01/23/2019 - 8:50pm
Nate Silver was shouting this morning:
by artappraiser on Wed, 01/23/2019 - 10:47pm