MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE
by Michael Wolraich
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Congress begins Impeachment Proceedings
By moat on Tue, 09/24/2019 - 8:40pm |URL:
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/09/24/donald-trump-impeachment-congress-1509360
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Link didn't take, moat. I figure either you or Peracles can fix that and add one? Meantime, I will move this comment I just put on the old thread here instead. (Even if no one fixes it, we can all still use the thread to add articles & discuss):
Despite all kinds of words used today by various parties, here's a real thing that happened:
more here:
Even Senate Republicans want the White House to share a whistleblower report on Trump with Congress
In a rare bipartisan move, the Senate unanimously passed a resolution calling on the White House to disclose a whistleblower complaint.
By Li Zhou[email protected] Sep 24, 2019, 6:30pm EDT
Comes to my mind, though, that this could follow what has become the traditional trajectory where the GOP says that they checked everything out and to their mind, nothing really bad or impeachable happened. But what anti-Trump forces should realize about that: the current popular statement is to say Congress has to step up and show that the president can't just do anything he wants, that Congress needs to be a brake on him. Well, by doing this, that's taken care of, even if they absolve him. Get what I am saying? It's a great argument constitutionally, but in practicality, it's easy for the president's party to make it look like they are watching and regulating what he does without actually giving a shit. That there's really no safeguards against party loyalty. I think this is why Washington and Adams et..al. disliked parties so much?
by artappraiser on Tue, 09/24/2019 - 10:27pm
by artappraiser on Wed, 09/25/2019 - 12:46am
The link is fixed.
Because this situation developed inside the Trump Administration and involves so many different personnel from different agencies, perhaps the war between spineless toadies and those who actually have jobs will start to swing the other way.
by moat on Wed, 09/25/2019 - 7:22am
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 09/24/2019 - 11:18pm
Lawfare sez:
by artappraiser on Wed, 09/25/2019 - 12:33pm
by artappraiser on Wed, 09/25/2019 - 12:35pm
I note the article says Republican Senators including Cornyn as well as McConnell are betting on Nancy not making it happen:
by artappraiser on Wed, 09/25/2019 - 12:54pm
McConnell won't hold a trial. He'll ignore any impeachment like he ignored the Garland nomination, the Constitution assumed the Senate would fulfill it's duties, and set no timeline for action.
A vote exonerating Trump for requesting foreign election meddling would not look good on their records. So no trial, no nightly coverage of a trial. Just Trump, Trump Trump accusations, lies until he expires or is voted out.
McConnell "Let the voters decide if their President is making America great and strong again."
by NCD on Wed, 09/25/2019 - 8:45pm
by artappraiser on Wed, 09/25/2019 - 1:02pm
Neal Katyal:
Also this. Quigley is a Dem:
by artappraiser on Wed, 09/25/2019 - 5:28pm
Oy! GOP operative Mike Murphy gonna get the "fake news" label shortly!
by artappraiser on Wed, 09/25/2019 - 5:32pm
WaPo published this op-ed by Murphy yesterday: I’m a Republican. Let’s force the question of impeachment with the GOP. Seems clear to me that he's obviously advocating for these "terrorized" Republicans, whoever they may be.
by artappraiser on Wed, 09/25/2019 - 5:36pm
George Conway agrees that chicken Senators would vote to convict at the last minute:
by artappraiser on Thu, 09/26/2019 - 12:15am
Major leakers @ WaPo! Acting director of national intelligence threatened to resign if he couldn’t speak freely before Congress on whistleblower complaint
By Greg Miller, Shane Harris and Karoun Demirjian, September 25, 2019 at 2:44 p.m. EDT
by artappraiser on Wed, 09/25/2019 - 5:46pm
Elizabeth Holtzman, Noah Bookbinder, and John Dean:
Holtzman:
I Voted to Impeach Nixon. I’d Do the Same for Trump.
The Ukraine scandal has a lot of similarities to Watergate.
By Elizabeth Holtzman; Ms. Holtzman sat on the House Judiciary Committee during Watergate.
@ NYTimes.com, Sept. 25, 2019
Noah Bookbinder:
The Zelensky Memo Is All the Proof Needed to Impeach Trump
It is far worse than we could have imagined.
By Noah Bookbinder; Mr. Bookbinder is the executive director of Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington.
@ NYTimes.com, Sept. 25, 2019
John Dean:
by artappraiser on Wed, 09/25/2019 - 6:18pm
John Dean makes interesting points about Trump learning the limits of his method on the job but the present situation doesn't look like a 3D chess move.
Cue the messenger reporting the movement of forests.
by moat on Wed, 09/25/2019 - 6:27pm
Dan Rather:
by artappraiser on Wed, 09/25/2019 - 6:01pm
Trump just tried throwing Mike Pence under the bus:
by artappraiser on Wed, 09/25/2019 - 6:04pm
Now that is bizarre. Bringing up Pence like that makes it sound like he is part of the Enemy.
by moat on Wed, 09/25/2019 - 6:23pm
here's a completely wimmin's intuition take on anything bizarre that he does in the coming days. I saw a video yesterday with him standing with Melania somewhere some UN function and he was whining to media about the troubles the Dems were causing him, I don't remember what exactly, things along the "witch hunt" narrative. I can't find it. I did find a closeup of Melania's face during that, here, the whole time, several minutes she kept this angry viper expression:
It was so pronounced and noticeable. I was thinking: all the other times people said he was flipping out, losing it because of his narcissist disorder, he wasn't really. But this time he may really be flipping out, and she is doing the Nancy Reagan protect-my-man thing.
by artappraiser on Wed, 09/25/2019 - 6:49pm
When I have seen that expression, it has always been an act of closure with someone the person promises to hurt;
Specific people receive the message.
This thing is getting stranger by the minute.
by moat on Wed, 09/25/2019 - 7:33pm
Trump must have approved the Republican's agreement on the whistleblower's appearance.
Why? Because he knows it will less damage to him than we anticipate ? Or will do as much damage to Biden?
by Flavius on Wed, 09/25/2019 - 8:01pm
"Must" is a pretty strong word.
That the matter came through Administration officials in the first place suggests the monolith has begun to fracture.
by moat on Fri, 09/27/2019 - 9:04am
Doh. Turns out Ivanka is gonna play the Nancy Reagan role:
by artappraiser on Thu, 09/26/2019 - 10:24pm
On the Pence thing, Bill Kristol sees this:
by artappraiser on Wed, 09/25/2019 - 7:12pm
Trump's own kind of Kompromat. For sure he does more than just dangle pardons to buy silence.
by PeraclesPlease on Fri, 09/27/2019 - 2:06am
Samantha Power this morning:
by artappraiser on Wed, 09/25/2019 - 6:11pm
Hillary Clinton this morning:
by artappraiser on Wed, 09/25/2019 - 6:15pm
Fukuyama retweets a point about the transcript:
by artappraiser on Wed, 09/25/2019 - 6:37pm
I see Jennifer Rubin has just decided to push the Nixon solution:
Edit to add: 2 hrs. ago, she also said this, which adds to her later comment:
by artappraiser on Wed, 09/25/2019 - 7:22pm
Pelosi can also be Prez for 18 months. Wiuld be groundbreaking in several ways.
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 09/25/2019 - 10:21pm
Anybody can that can win a majority of Dem House votes apparently could be president for 18 months! I've seen more than a few tweets mention that the Speaker of the House is whoever the majority party members in the House says it is. That they could make Hillary the Speaker tomorrow. I don't know if this is the rule but it seems correct?
by artappraiser on Wed, 09/25/2019 - 10:24pm
There are clear rules in the constitution for succession. If Trump is removed or resigned Pelosi wouldn't be president no matter how many votes she got. Only if Pence was also removed from office.
The speaker of the house is who ever gets a pluarity of the house votes for. It's only the majority party's choice because they vote as a block that is larger than the minority party's votes.
by ocean-kat on Wed, 09/25/2019 - 10:41pm
Oh that part I know. The things I saw are talking about if Pres and VP both removed. They are opining that the Speaker taking over could be changed by the House, that it wouldn't have to be Pelosi. That like Pelosi could step down for a minute and then the House puts another one in place as Speaker to become Pres. Get what I am saying? They are saying that if the Speaker is going to become Pres., it can be whoever the House wants because the House says who is the Speaker.
by artappraiser on Wed, 09/25/2019 - 10:48pm
I imagine it's whoever the Speaker is the minute both Pres and VP quit/are impeached, and if she steps down for even a minute it goes to next in line of succession (Secretary of State?), but I'm not a Constitutional scholar.
If Pence were to move up and choose a VP and then resign there are also some possibilities, but not sure how cooperative he'd be.
by PeraclesPlease on Thu, 09/26/2019 - 12:50am
I guess she could do that constitutionally. But why would she? I think she'd grab the crown.
by ocean-kat on Thu, 09/26/2019 - 1:23am
And it would be much less controversial and disputable, and she would likely do a better job than anyone under those circumstances, including Hillary.
by PeraclesPlease on Thu, 09/26/2019 - 1:36am
I googled one point. Fascinating fact!
by artappraiser on Thu, 09/26/2019 - 1:38am
So maybe RBG then? & she can pick her successor?
by PeraclesPlease on Thu, 09/26/2019 - 6:05am
Hah, White House gang cannot shoot straight!
by artappraiser on Wed, 09/25/2019 - 10:14pm
Guiliani and Pompeo try to throw each other under bus:
by artappraiser on Wed, 09/25/2019 - 10:37pm
GOP Rep. from Utah, on House Intel Comm., tweets very simply:
by artappraiser on Wed, 09/25/2019 - 10:52pm
Joe Walsh, "Republican Candidate for President":
by artappraiser on Wed, 09/25/2019 - 11:05pm
Washington Examiner editorial tonight, which basically argues that he still hasn't figured out how to do his job like he's supposed to, but that's not impeachable.
Trump put presidential powers to work for partisan politics
by Washington Examiner | September 25, 2019 07:20 PM
by artappraiser on Wed, 09/25/2019 - 11:23pm
by artappraiser on Wed, 09/25/2019 - 11:42pm
more whistleblower leakers, just published 10:23 pm @ NYTimes.com:
Whistle-Blower Is Said to Allege Concerns About White House Handling of Ukraine Call
New details have emerged about the intelligence officer who raised alarms about the president’s pressure on Ukraine to open inquiries that could benefit him politically.
By Charlie Savage, Michael S. Schmidt & Julian Barnes @ NYTime.com, Sept. 25
by artappraiser on Wed, 09/25/2019 - 11:50pm
let's drag in Manafort now (Murray Waas is a great investigative reporter):
by artappraiser on Thu, 09/26/2019 - 12:18am
Posted this as a news item.
by PeraclesPlease on Thu, 09/26/2019 - 1:58am
by artappraiser on Thu, 09/26/2019 - 1:34am
by PeraclesPlease on Thu, 09/26/2019 - 3:18am
a reminder about Don McGahn warning him back in April 2018:
by artappraiser on Thu, 09/26/2019 - 3:59am
Joe Biden spoke on it on Jimmy Kimmel Weds. night (better than having a beer with Joe?) I just saw a short clip of it on CNN TV, he was looking good there, real confident and relaxed. Kimmel asked him where he would rate what's going on on a scale of 10. He said "about 18 1/2" and grinned to the subsequent laughter. Then he said he feels confident that Congress will handle this and his job should be to focus on beating him (to applause.) So I googled it for a link of some kind. This has a summary and a video of the full interview, I haven't watched that:
Biden to Kimmel: It's hard to avoid Trump impeachment conclusion
@ Axios.com, 48 minutes ago.
by artappraiser on Thu, 09/26/2019 - 4:11am
Most amazing thing of the day so far: A few minutes ago I just heard Trump finish up a statement to media on an airport tarmac with "Nancy Pelosi has been hijacked by the radical left." Seems to me that it wasn't so long ago in Fox world that she was the personification of the radical left.
by artappraiser on Thu, 09/26/2019 - 1:01pm
by artappraiser on Thu, 09/26/2019 - 4:27pm
DT uses exactly the same language he did to threaten protesters during campaign. One trick pony wanders randomly onto the BQE.
by moat on Thu, 09/26/2019 - 5:10pm
Still a Queens boy thru and thru.
by artappraiser on Thu, 09/26/2019 - 5:17pm
Breaking! Deep State confirmed! Time for Qanon to man up! To the barricades? On second thought, the NYTimes could be in on creating a false flag...gotta be careful...
by artappraiser on Thu, 09/26/2019 - 5:20pm
I should add that many on Twitter are not happy with what Dean Baquet decided to do above; both "Dean Baquet" and #CancelNYT are trending topics. Many are calling it a "doxing" and pointing out that Trump has already threatened to do a Putin on the doxxed.
by artappraiser on Thu, 09/26/2019 - 5:55pm
Preet Bharara licking chops:
by artappraiser on Thu, 09/26/2019 - 5:29pm
Rick Wilson retweeted:
by artappraiser on Thu, 09/26/2019 - 6:01pm
by artappraiser on Thu, 09/26/2019 - 6:03pm