should anyone have need, for like friends or family, of ammo against Tucker Carlson's current lying backtracking, looks like Meidas Touch has made up a thread
I watched an hour and a half of news this morning and it was BBC and it was news. Just news. Interviews with people on the ground. No Marco Rubio lying his ass off or Chuck Todd eating his own butt over the midterm horserace.
If it is available to you, try it.
— Donna Gratehouse buildbackbetter.gov (@DonnaDiva) March 1, 2022
Is she saying the 'Luciferian regime' at like 00:25? Seems crazy that I don't see people commenting on that part. Am I mishearing it? https://t.co/m8tIFvu5hF
The whole shtick of these types that are still talking about a religion of tv preacher bastardization of "born again" evangelical is not really Christian at all, is loony and always has been. (If you want to see the real thing, real evangelical Christianity, look at Jimmy and Roslyn Carter, not these bleached teeth people practicing Jim & Tammy Faye Bakker bullshit religion. )
Here, as is often case, it's DOUBLY insane, because Biden is an exceptionally devout Catholic AND Vlad is phony Russian Orthodox, they should BOTH be the enemy, as they are "papists" the kind of religions both Martin Luther and Aimee Simple McPherson would find evil....
edit to add: the point: Biden's religion and the religion Vlad pretends to belong to are very alike, and very very different from what they are talking about
News tweet to show how clueless they really are about the Russian Christianity that Putin supports and how it's just basically a sect of Joe's Catholicism:
The head of Poland’s Catholic church has asked Russia's Orthodox patriarch to appeal to Putin to stop the war against Ukraine and to Russian soldiers to ignore orders.
Catholic parishes around Poland have also joined efforts to help Ukrainian refugees https://t.co/awFi9r3rX7
— Notes from Poland (@notesfrompoland) March 4, 2022
If only Bolton had accepted a subpoena with the House (?) committee i might consider him a bit of a law-abiding patriot rather than a self-righteous prima donna, but he did hold off a disaster
And if Mike Flynn weren't such a clueless klutz.
This is a hypothesis:
If Mike Flynn hadn’t lied to the FBI and replaced by McMasters who cleaned house at the NSC of iffy people Flynn brought on, Putin would have had sanctions lifted, Crimea annexation validated, and left free to implement Manafort plan to carve up Ukraine
Republicans signalled they were with Putin - it was part of their pro-Trump pivot. Some will of course try to back away now, but it's not quite as easy as airbrushing Trotsky out of a photo - though with our Attention Deficit times, maybe so
If you were wondering about whether the Russians really influence our social media, compare the list of top Facebook posts from a few weeks ago to this week, when Russia couldn't access its foreign cash reserves. Rather telling. pic.twitter.com/tneHdNkOaC
There was a phrase for such people back during the days of communism - "useful idiot." The term may still apply.
Vladimir Putin has made himself rich by robbing the Russian people for years. Most people who say good things about him are being paid to do so.
Also, back during the Cold War, the Soviet Union funded and helped left wing groups that it knew full well were on the periphery of society. They're funding the Right now for the same reason.
"Pence hits Trump: No room in GOP for ‘apologists for Putin’"
This may have happened regardless, but there's now more of a group of people - Christie, Barr, Pence - who are trying to put daylight between Trump and the GOP, in various ways https://t.co/aDj8f4oaQk
EXCELLENT, EXCELLENT, EXCELLENT history and explanation of this cultural phenomenon. Can't recommend it enough! It's really the last word. Since it's basically an advert for her book, I don't feel bad posting the whole thing
By Bethany Moreton @ WashingtonPost.com, Today at 6:00 a.m. EST
Bethany Moreton is professor of history at Dartmouth College. This article draws from her book, "Slouching Towards Moscow: American Conservatives and the Romance of Russia," forthcoming from Harvard University Press.
Arizona state Sen. Wendy Rogers (R) was only one of the speakers at the Feb. 25 America First Political Action Conference to voice support for Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. But her meme-ready remark — urging more tanks and using a crude term to call for fewer transgender people — reminds us that many on the American right see Russia as an ally in the culture wars. This long-standing alliance has forced a rift within the Republican Party since Russian President Vladimir Putin’s invasion of Ukraine. Even with mounting civilian casualties this week and a growing humanitarian crisis, former president Donald Trump’s most ardent supporters refuse to condemn his remarks about the “smart” invasion.
But there is another dimension to this rift, illustrated by the audience to which Rogers spoke: how this alliance of cultural conservatives in the United States and Russia has also embraced racial and ethnic bigotry. White evangelicals once saw Russia as an existential threat to traditional gender roles and sexual morality, but over the past three decades, they have forged a partnership in a global family values movement that not only embraces sexual and gender traditionalism but sees these practices as a solution to demographic changes around the globe.
American critics condemned the 1917 Bolshevik Revolution in overtly sexual terms: Collectivizing farms and factories, they charged, inevitably meant collectivizing women. A Senate committee found that by destroying a wife’s dependency on her husband, communists stripped men of their masculine prerogatives and blurred gender roles — to the detriment of social order.
Anti-radical crusaders charged that Soviet women were forced to register at a national Bureau of Free Love, where any man had the right of sexual access. The sexual threat of Russia’s “red menace” galvanized organizations such as the Women’s Christian Temperance Union in defense of both private property and private family life. They monitored textbooks, compiled blacklists of “subversives” and defeated liberal legislation on maternal health and child welfare. “Economic bolshevism is destructive,” warned a conservative editor in 1922, “but it is nothing as compared with sexual bolshevism.”
Christian missionaries to the U.S.S.R. walked a fine line in these years. Some initially hailed the Russian Revolution as an opportunity to win souls from the shackles of what they considered the authoritarian, superstitious Russian Orthodox Church.
But Russia under the Bolsheviks challenged the very nuclear family that American Christians saw as the bedrock of civilization and property relations. The 1918 Family Code predicted that by turning domestic labor into a public service rather than a private duty, socialism would eliminate “the fetters of husband and wife.”
Over the next decade, Soviet authorities did their best to fulfill that prediction. They shuttered churches, secularized schools and removed Bibles from libraries while decriminalizing abortion, liberalizing divorce and recognizing de facto marriage. In 1929, new laws barred foreign proselytizers. Atheists organized in the League of the Militant Godless pledged to eradicate religion in the Soviet Union by 1937.
Nothing could have alarmed believers in the United States more. With atheistic Russian Communism as the enemy, Christianity and sexual and gender conservatism became crucial fronts in the Cold War.
As the United States experienced a religious revival after World War II, Republicans such as Sen. Joseph McCarthy (Wis.) latched onto the supposed security threat posed by sexual perversion and gender “confusion” for their own political gain. The Lavender Scare linked homosexuality to Russian spying, with Christianity the only bulwark against both. Sexually tinged spy scandals spurred the Truman administration to purge suspected gay and lesbian people from federal employment because they were “security risks,” a project that continued for two decades. “I do not know what homosexuals are,” sighed a congressman in 1950, “but I never saw anybody get so much free advertising in the Congress of the United States in all my life.”
Conservative Christian animosity toward the Soviet Union only grew when Soviet Premier Nikita Khrushchev launched a new round of religious suppression in the 1960s. For conservative believers, the Communist persecution of Christians became the starting point for interpreting global politics. When glasnost began to relax curbs on communication and travel to the Soviet Union in the late 1980s, hundreds of Christian organizations quickly mobilized to take advantage of what seemed like a miracle — the opportunity for evangelism in the heart of atheism.
From 1992 to 1997, a consortium of major U.S. evangelical organizations raised $60 million to bring former Soviets to Jesus through Bible studies, Christian video courses, biblical marriage conferences and public school curriculums.
As in the 1920s, the connection between Christian sexual morality and private property relations was self-evident: The Christian College Coalition joined Russian counterparts to create a Christian business degree. And they did this with the approval of the Russian Ministry of Education, which invited the American evangelical ministry Campus Crusade for Christ to teach “Christian Ethics and Morality” to tens of thousands of Russian educators. American Christians, it seemed, could help the former atheist libertines find their way to market values and family values, for the two were mutually dependent.
What these missionaries could not have foreseen, however, was that the conversions would run both ways: Eastern Orthodox Christianity would attract Americans searching for a robustly conservative faith. In 1987, pastors from within the heart of U.S. evangelicalism officially incorporated 2,000 American evangelicals into the Antiochian Orthodox Christian Archdiocese of North America. The mass conversion stemmed from White Protestant disillusionment with the freestyle worship, therapeutic ethos and perceived feminine emotionalism of their old church homes — what one influential critic labeled “The Church Impotent.” “Evangelical churches call men to be passive and nice (think ‘Mr. Rogers’),” explained a convert. “Orthodox Churches call men to be courageous and act (think ‘Braveheart’).” Such celebration of masculinity is one reason Orthodoxy is majority male, unlike any other American Christian denomination.
As right-wing religious Americans discovered Orthodoxy, so did the leaders in Moscow. First Boris Yeltsin and then Vladimir Putin found in the Russian Orthodox Church an important symbol of national unity. Their governments increasingly gave the church semiofficial status, and its Moscow Patriarchate oversaw a dramatic renaissance in the 1990s and 2000s.
In 1995, Russian demographers met with the American Howard Center for the Family, Religion and Society, a project of the paleoconservative movement that mixed Holocaust deniers, Neo-Confederates and racist anti-immigrant activists. They agreed that low White birthrates were caused by the decline of traditional family forms and gender roles — and therefore the answer was the official suppression of sexual and gender dissent.
Their efforts produced the World Congress of Families, which combines funding from conservative Russian oligarchs with the organizing know-how of groups like the National Organization for Marriage — a key player in California’s 2008 same-sex marriage ban (which was later overturned in the courts). At its annual meetings, religious traditionalists coordinate policies to promote the “natural family” and combat LGBTQ and reproductive rights around the world.
Russian Orthodox leadership in the global family values movement makes Eastern Christianity an appealing symbol for some of the most repugnant representatives of the racist right — again demonstrating the racial subtext of overt sexual conservatism. Neo-Confederates champion Orthodoxy as the spiritual home of white nationalism. Converts have played roles in the Charlottesville riot of 2017 and the Capitol insurrection of Jan. 6, 2021. The terrorist who took nine Black lives in a Charleston church had an Eastern Orthodox priest as a spiritual adviser. At the same time, the American alt-right embraced Russia as the land of unapologetic whiteness and unreformed masculinity. To the concern of many Orthodox believers, such converts are having an impact within branches of Orthodoxy in the United States.
So honestly, after reading that story about the basketball player, I think it's a fair guess to say that the right has ideologically moved to Russia. Putting a black woman in jail for marijuana possession is pretty base right wing.
I do recall Ronald Reagan really getting along with Mikhail Gorbachev, so it's quite likely that this transference happened long ago. Maybe the Soviet system went right wing as far back as Kruschev.
^ first time I really understood all the connections, when it really clicked for me, was pre-internet, but watching C-Span's call in show, and hearing conservative Christian types hysterically emote their visceral hatred of the Clintons. I didn't get it at first, what about them upset people like this so?
Well, he was a male who couldn't control himself-went about flirting with everyone - and they hate emotional I.Q. in males, that's for the females-males are the stalwart controlling fathers-and that's without even getting into the sex thing. She was worse, often trying to be male, not wanting to stay at home and make cookies and then the ultimate nightmare: publishing a book about how it takes a village to raise a child. To them, that's the Soviet system, boldly advocating the Soviet communist way. And nobody else was seeing it, that they were basically communists, that's what angered them even more.
And then I went backward to childhood memories, from the few remnants of it I saw scattered here and there- of how conservative Catholics pre Vatican II were EXTREMELY anti-Soviet and EXTREMELY ANTI-COMMUNIST. It wasn't direct experience, as I was a Vatican II kid, but the artifacts were all still around, and my own mother had been a devout believer/follower before she was married. Things like the cult of the virgin's appearance at Fatima turned into an anti-communist narrative, the anti-birth control encyclical which was really all about: sex being a sacrament only between husband and wife and only to procreate, the necessity of A FAMILY THAT PRAYS TOGETHER STAYS TOGETHER, and weekly nationally broadcast TV sermons by Bishop Sheen that preached the sanctity of the nuclear family (look at the lovely Catholic one in the White House right now, Jack & Jackie and their 2 kids) and snuck in how the communists were the enemy one way or another. etc.
And I'd see people like Pat Buchanan, a conservative Catholic, talk as if nothing had gone right with this country since Richard Nixon, we have to go back to him.
And then as I was studying more cultural, sociological and religious history and it just became clearer and clearer.
Putin really does seem to fall for all of this, it's like he was converted away from the communism of his youth to believing this is the true way to build a society and as he gets older, he just digs in his heels on that, not going to change and not going to allow the Russian church to change either.
It's not so much like Christian nationalism growing out of born again Christianity in the U.S, that's at least emotive, it's a belief in a strict nuclear family structure to society, with the father pursuing capitalism, what we sometimes call "Protestant work ethic" but is expected in this culture as well. Your happiness is in your next life, there's certain other purposes and roles for you here.
Fox National Sec correspondent Jennifer Griffin has been shutting down disinformation attempts on the network since the invasion began, fact-checking live Hannity, Doocy, Faulker, Gutfeld and retired military “experts.” Tucker won’t have her on though. https://t.co/SxI2fp1lPk
I served my country--the United States of America who welcomed my refugee family--for 21 years, 6 months, & 10 days in uniform & I continue to serve out of uniform.
right up the alley of certain right-wing extremists:
"The Russian army is the last bastion against the satanic new world order". Literal quote from the official Russian Officer's Handbook. Captured by Ukrainian GUR, document appears authentic. pic.twitter.com/oAd3QaHUj7
^ looks to me like:TRUMP'S FINALLY COOKED, STICK A FORK IN HIM! Can't see how he can flip flop his way out of this one. (Maybe the whole extended family will head to exile in Russia to avoid prosecution? Lot of their finanical friends are there and Melania can translate, I believe...)
Trump's plane lost an engine today, had to emergency land in NOLA, and he immediately grifted for donations for a new plane, he claimed they had long been planning. The solicitation I read is just such bald face grifting and lying, went out immediately after his plane died, yet.. Let's see how he does on donations for that.
(I may be wrong but currently DeSantis seems to be going for the Trumpism mantel - something today I saw about a special police force for polling stations? after days of culture wars stuff. What I wonder about him is I got a feeling he wants to stay away from the two crazy ladies in the House, doesn't want to look that nuts, what is he going to do when they try to get close?)
Trump's TOAST,.definitely not a genius, at a total loss coming up with anything -
OMG I’m dying!!! On a UFC podcast today, Trump is asked how he sees the war in Ukraine playing out and he launches into a riff about windmills! pic.twitter.com/S2nV6hLIbP
Argh, i was just going to post. Idiot savant alert, with emphasis on former. Yet consider how many are loyal to him even still, and he's spoke in mush word salad for years. How do you explain the magic? Even presumably intelligent, hard-working people support a slack TV-addicted self-absorbed grifter who vomits out nonsense. He seems to share none of their values except blurbs he grabs here and there but might contradict moments later, never you mind - is he somehow a human Rorschach test for some segment, all their dreams & aspirations in one disgusting egomaniac? And if they're that easy to lie to, why doesn't the country implode (faster)?
a reminder tho that at the start of his admin, he could do a half-assed job of the world leader thing if properly prepped, he ordered bombing of Syrian site of chemical attack because it targeted even "little tiny babees". He can't do it with Putin, he won't dis him for whatever reason.
In any case, I remember reading analysis that Covid just pissed him off real bad because it ruined all his plans for MAGA, whatever they were. Magical thinking that if he ignored it, it would go away. (Remember him promising it will be gone by Easter and we'll all have a beautiful Easter?) And it wouldn't obey him! And then he got it! And tried to make it look like he recovered instantly.
I stopped posting on covid but I'm still paying attention. There's more than one serious studies coming out just now that Long Covid fucks up the brain, haven't read up on them yet. He may have actually lost cognitive function from Long Covid. In either case, Covid sort of really fucked up his narcissist project. He's not been doing well at those rallies he's having, even before Ukraine invasion, it's been a lot of word salad and little else. Not thrilling the fans, not giving them whatever red meat they might want now. Comes to mind that Marjorie Taylor Greene does a better Trump these days than Trump, she really gets the fans riled up and hooting and hollering. Real confident. And he is no longer confident, seems lost.
PP, I think you underestimate the damage The Woke (and their friends in the House, The Squad) do to the prospects of the Dem party. It's the thing Bill Maher said "I didn't leave the Democratic party, the Democratic party left me." Centrists types DECADES AGO rejected the moralistic right wing conservatives controlling the GOP (i.e. "Family Values Christians, Tea Party etc.) AND THEREFORE WAS USED TO THEM. They don't want an "either this winger or that kind of winger choice. They want to see someone who fights back/talks back to leftie culture warriors while at the same time is pro-business and doesn't do "family values" crap either.
That was also the appeal of Trump as primary candidate, he talked back to the bogus rightwing culture warriors in the GOP. Talked libertarian values, pro-business. Said he'd cut the health care bullshit, also talked peacenik. etc. Then he won the primary.
I've already heard more than enough praise of DeSantis, till the point of rolling my eyes from two brothers, both used to vote straight Dem. One lives in Ft Lauderdale part of the time, So. Cal. part of the time. Like an extreme Maher, he bitterly complains about how Dems he voted for killed, yes killed, his paradise California, now loathes them. Adores, just adores what Florida is becoming under DeSantis, is a big De Santis fan. Has convinced another brother back home in Milwaukee that DeSantis is the answer.
I know they are just two anecdotals. BUT all of those Hispanic types that are not voting for Dems? Well they hate The Woke, too. I know my Dominican-American and Irish-American neighbors in Bronx loathe The Woke too. Have great hopes that Eric Adams will do the anti-woke thing.
I think: if there aren't more Sister Souljah moments, and strong ones, against The Woke and The Squad and woke-pandering incompetents like Mayor Lightfoot in Chicago and Mayor of Portland and entire government of San Francisco and more voices like former-Mayor Keisha Lance-Bottoms of Atlanta, yelling "go home" and basically "fuck off" to The Woke, De Santis may very likely be our next President.
The center is really fed up with The Woke, not the least of which they constantly attack "western values"!!! Western values which happen to be very very popular in this country right now as well as the world. After all, if you're for bashing western values, you're basically with Putin, aren't you?
Unless he fucks up from what he's doing now, I suspect DeSantis will be a successful replacement for what originally attracted a lot of people to Trump. Dems need to be anti-woke or they really risk losing. Once again, Jim Clyburn knew that all along.
I am constantly agog that I see "Democrats" so accepting of bashing Manchin, never challenge that at all, but at the same time so accepting of praise of AOC and The Squad? It just doesn't make sense. It's pandering to the extremes, just like the GOP does. Shouldn't it be the other way around? Especially if you want to win like Obama did in 2008, running to the right of Hillary? Don't Dems want to offer an alternative to extremism? Just let the guy who is good at bashing leftie extremism win?
I don't tell the media to counter several billion of aid for West Virginia with "but her emails" and "she's too cozy with racist whites". Cori and AOC didn't do that - the fucking NYTimes did. They'll did whatever clueless woke crap out of their buttholes - we're all fucking Maureen Down now. Gayle Collins brought up Mitt's dog on the roofing 20 fucking columns - so now we have Matt Gets instead. So yeah, we have some minority Dems, but it's how the MSM tied to social media amplify them. No doubt with Russian help. Chaos monkeys, not news. The center has trouble holding. We're peppered with this gen's aliens and Elvis 24x7.
The lesson here is not that she's courageous. It's that unless all journalists get their heads out of their asses, they'll be in the position of Marina Ovsyannikova, risking their lives bc they didn't do their jobs when it was easier. @chucktodd@LesterHoltNBC
It is still very possible for Republicans to win, either in 2024 or 2028, just not with Trump. Comedian Trevor Noah surprised me by ripping on Biden in his monologue and Kamala Harris might not be able to make it through a presidential campaign.
absolutely it is possible for the GOP to win without Trump. Getting rid of Trump without alienating too many of his fan club is the key.
LIKEWISE I done numerous threads (maybe 100's?) that basically end up with this conclusion from so many different angles: if Dems don't start doing more Sister Souljah's on the The Woke they are in the exact same danger. You don't want to alienate every single one of them but you have to be willing to let some go. James Carville said it out loud a long time ago "The Woke are a problem and we all know it". Likewise for the GOP "Trump -and his twin Marjorie Taylor Greene- is a problem and they all know it."
It's VERY clear they can win. VERY. My thread on Maher for one explains why. But go back to post election studies of the "Hispanic vote" if you don't like that. Proof is allover the place: you can't just stop pandering to the extremists, you have to to disavow them. Especially for those elections where there is big turnout (Virginia governor race a recent major example.)
and furthermore, back to topic: CLEARLY now the GOP has to loudly disavow the Putin lovers to win, not just ignore them like they weren't there on their side. I've been watching for all the examples of them trying to do it, and some interestingly are really twisting themselves into pretzels
Kamala Harris issues actually differ from this stuff about extreme views. She has been having a problem with an image of competence lately in her public appearances, have no idea why that is - cause she didn't have as much a problem running by herself in the primary.
But that attack angle, it's quite different from picking on her as an extreme lefty. Smart opponents aren't doing the latter as they know it can be easily countered with her prosecutorial background/experience. For some reason, lately she's just not doing a good job of projecting as a capable leader in public appearances, and those examples are easy to play up
As a famous best-selling novelist, she sees meaningful memes all the time:
remember Reagan speaking sneeringly of "welfare queens"--(a non-existent category of value to racists for rhetorical purposes)?--& now the head of the GOP has
become a shameless public beggar. https://t.co/yFMcSWQrvI
yeah, she just retweeted this one too, clearly it reminded her of something else -
The occupation of Ottawa was dug in…They had funding coming in from across Canada but also other countries,” Ms. Thomas said. “The people who organized that protest - and there were several factions ... there is no doubt - came to overthrow the government.” https://t.co/UEYUatjbCw
I will concede this - Russia Today is really entertaining. When I first watched it, I had trouble believing it was actually Russian state TV since I'd never really seen anything like it. I once watched an episode in which a Mexican TV host was hired by RT to ride the country's major railways from Moscow to Vladivostok. It was great programming. American TV is largely just a bunch of talking heads arguing with each other, reality shows and professional wrestling.
Unfortunately, now, if you click anything by Russia Today on YouTube, it says "video unavailable."
I really wish that Christopher Hitchens had made it in to the 2010s because he called this sort of thing. He used to say "they're not anti-war. They are pro-war for the other side."
Before Obama, the Left was populated by a lot of people like this. Democracy Now is still like that. A bunch of super privileged sheltered people who think they're going to get some sort of reward for decrying their country before all the noble savages of the world.
Guys like Howard Dean and Dennis Kucinich used to get in trouble for talking like that before mainstream America, however. It's odd that it finally became mainstream with Donald Trump saying "do you think our country is so innocent?" but I guess Vladimir Putin writes some big checks.
hey will wonders never cease, lookit what side of the fence Mark Levin fell on:
Mark Levin Decries ‘Putin Wing’ of the GOP, Democratic Party, and Media for Promoting False Claim Ukraine Is Developing Bioweapons With U.S. https://t.co/C9i5DwU0dj
Tucker Carlson invited me on his show tonight, but that’s not going to happen…ever. While he echoes Putin’s lies, I’ll remain focused on supporting the Ukrainian people. My video statement: pic.twitter.com/plfOhh6bNb
I think it's possible that what calls itself conservatism in the United States is somewhere at 1930s levels of popularity, with George Will, Jonah Goldberg, Joe Scarborough, George W. Bush, Mitt Romney and nearly all of its former knights AWOL, and some of that massive wealth that Vladimir Putin stole over his 23 year tenure is keeping it afloat. If it has been going on for some time, that would explain why Mitt Romney felt it so important to warn about Russian influence back in 2012.
Conservatism, to me, always indicated a patriotism and a respect for social order that is just not here at all. Will does a great job tying it to Jane Fonda and others who once honeymooned with America's enemies.
Um that discussion is like already for the history books-looking like Tucker & Trump are going to have a hard row to hoe, unanimous is not like, say, either of the impeachment votes:
BREAKING: US Senate unanimously passes resolution declaring Putin a war criminal
I think you tend to overemphasize the political power of some of these extreme right wingers because you've met and dealt with some? They are pandered to at like maybe CPAC, sure, but when push comes to shove, they are real outliers politically, regular voters are not supposed to be paying attention to such goings on. (Who is like going to run on defending Jan. 6 participants? There is no political value in that.)
p.s. this "Eduardo" guy has a good toon response to the news of the vote results, all of a sudden everyone wants to be the first to call Putin evil and it was the other guy who gave him mulligans:
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there's also the regular anti-Russian GOP rubbing this in:
by artappraiser on Tue, 03/01/2022 - 2:48pm
should anyone have need, for like friends or family, of ammo against Tucker Carlson's current lying backtracking, looks like Meidas Touch has made up a thread
by artappraiser on Tue, 03/01/2022 - 4:28pm
this is probably a better suggestion, tho -
by artappraiser on Tue, 03/01/2022 - 6:10pm
Reposted here for superfans
by PeraclesPlease on Thu, 03/03/2022 - 7:14pm
The whole shtick of these types that are still talking about a religion of tv preacher bastardization of "born again" evangelical is not really Christian at all, is loony and always has been. (If you want to see the real thing, real evangelical Christianity, look at Jimmy and Roslyn Carter, not these bleached teeth people practicing Jim & Tammy Faye Bakker bullshit religion. )
Here, as is often case, it's DOUBLY insane, because Biden is an exceptionally devout Catholic AND Vlad is phony Russian Orthodox, they should BOTH be the enemy, as they are "papists" the kind of religions both Martin Luther and Aimee Simple McPherson would find evil....
edit to add: the point: Biden's religion and the religion Vlad pretends to belong to are very alike, and very very different from what they are talking about
by artappraiser on Thu, 03/03/2022 - 11:35pm
News tweet to show how clueless they really are about the Russian Christianity that Putin supports and how it's just basically a sect of Joe's Catholicism:
by artappraiser on Fri, 03/04/2022 - 3:57am
If only Bolton had accepted a subpoena with the House (?) committee i might consider him a bit of a law-abiding patriot rather than a self-righteous prima donna, but he did hold off a disaster
And if Mike Flynn weren't such a clueless klutz.
by PeraclesPlease on Sat, 03/05/2022 - 3:46am
Propaganda works, even cross-border
https://digbysblog.net/2022/03/04/when-your-relatives-are-brainwashed/
Republicans signalled they were with Putin - it was part of their pro-Trump pivot. Some will of course try to back away now, but it's not quite as easy as airbrushing Trotsky out of a photo - though with our Attention Deficit times, maybe so
https://digbysblog.net/2022/03/04/the-gop-gave-putin-good-reason-to-beli...
by PeraclesPlease on Sat, 03/05/2022 - 6:33am
Putin friends - how could it be?
by PeraclesPlease on Sat, 03/05/2022 - 7:48am
good catch!
by artappraiser on Sat, 03/05/2022 - 11:58am
There was a phrase for such people back during the days of communism - "useful idiot." The term may still apply.
Vladimir Putin has made himself rich by robbing the Russian people for years. Most people who say good things about him are being paid to do so.
Also, back during the Cold War, the Soviet Union funded and helped left wing groups that it knew full well were on the periphery of society. They're funding the Right now for the same reason.
by Orion on Sat, 03/05/2022 - 12:14pm
Useful idiots refers to the foreigners like Trump, Flynn, Meadows, Papadopoulos, etc.
by PeraclesPlease on Sat, 03/05/2022 - 1:24pm
"Pence hits Trump: No room in GOP for ‘apologists for Putin’"
by artappraiser on Sat, 03/05/2022 - 2:28pm
EXCELLENT, EXCELLENT, EXCELLENT history and explanation of this cultural phenomenon. Can't recommend it enough! It's really the last word. Since it's basically an advert for her book, I don't feel bad posting the whole thing
The bond that explains why some on the Christian right support Putin’s war
Russia has become an ally in a global movement.
By Bethany Moreton @ WashingtonPost.com, Today at 6:00 a.m. EST
Bethany Moreton is professor of history at Dartmouth College. This article draws from her book, "Slouching Towards Moscow: American Conservatives and the Romance of Russia," forthcoming from Harvard University Press.
by artappraiser on Sat, 03/05/2022 - 5:25pm
So honestly, after reading that story about the basketball player, I think it's a fair guess to say that the right has ideologically moved to Russia. Putting a black woman in jail for marijuana possession is pretty base right wing.
I do recall Ronald Reagan really getting along with Mikhail Gorbachev, so it's quite likely that this transference happened long ago. Maybe the Soviet system went right wing as far back as Kruschev.
by Orion on Sat, 03/05/2022 - 5:55pm
That 2nd paragraph doesn't make much sense. They were tearing down the Wall. Gorby wasn't instituting pogroms against LGBT and building up the church.
by PeraclesPlease on Sat, 03/05/2022 - 11:02pm
^ first time I really understood all the connections, when it really clicked for me, was pre-internet, but watching C-Span's call in show, and hearing conservative Christian types hysterically emote their visceral hatred of the Clintons. I didn't get it at first, what about them upset people like this so?
Well, he was a male who couldn't control himself-went about flirting with everyone - and they hate emotional I.Q. in males, that's for the females-males are the stalwart controlling fathers-and that's without even getting into the sex thing. She was worse, often trying to be male, not wanting to stay at home and make cookies and then the ultimate nightmare: publishing a book about how it takes a village to raise a child. To them, that's the Soviet system, boldly advocating the Soviet communist way. And nobody else was seeing it, that they were basically communists, that's what angered them even more.
And then I went backward to childhood memories, from the few remnants of it I saw scattered here and there- of how conservative Catholics pre Vatican II were EXTREMELY anti-Soviet and EXTREMELY ANTI-COMMUNIST. It wasn't direct experience, as I was a Vatican II kid, but the artifacts were all still around, and my own mother had been a devout believer/follower before she was married. Things like the cult of the virgin's appearance at Fatima turned into an anti-communist narrative, the anti-birth control encyclical which was really all about: sex being a sacrament only between husband and wife and only to procreate, the necessity of A FAMILY THAT PRAYS TOGETHER STAYS TOGETHER, and weekly nationally broadcast TV sermons by Bishop Sheen that preached the sanctity of the nuclear family (look at the lovely Catholic one in the White House right now, Jack & Jackie and their 2 kids) and snuck in how the communists were the enemy one way or another. etc.
And I'd see people like Pat Buchanan, a conservative Catholic, talk as if nothing had gone right with this country since Richard Nixon, we have to go back to him.
And then as I was studying more cultural, sociological and religious history and it just became clearer and clearer.
Putin really does seem to fall for all of this, it's like he was converted away from the communism of his youth to believing this is the true way to build a society and as he gets older, he just digs in his heels on that, not going to change and not going to allow the Russian church to change either.
It's not so much like Christian nationalism growing out of born again Christianity in the U.S, that's at least emotive, it's a belief in a strict nuclear family structure to society, with the father pursuing capitalism, what we sometimes call "Protestant work ethic" but is expected in this culture as well. Your happiness is in your next life, there's certain other purposes and roles for you here.
by artappraiser on Sat, 03/05/2022 - 6:02pm
by artappraiser on Sat, 03/05/2022 - 9:11pm
by artappraiser on Mon, 03/07/2022 - 1:21pm
He added more interaction with Greene today:
by artappraiser on Mon, 03/07/2022 - 1:27pm
right up the alley of certain right-wing extremists:
(Yes, I also just posted this on the "What's Going on in Russia" thread)
by artappraiser on Wed, 03/09/2022 - 3:01pm
whoever they are, looks like they don't identify as Republicans to pollsters
by artappraiser on Wed, 03/09/2022 - 11:30pm
^ looks to me like:TRUMP'S FINALLY COOKED, STICK A FORK IN HIM! Can't see how he can flip flop his way out of this one. (Maybe the whole extended family will head to exile in Russia to avoid prosecution? Lot of their finanical friends are there and Melania can translate, I believe...)
Trump's plane lost an engine today, had to emergency land in NOLA, and he immediately grifted for donations for a new plane, he claimed they had long been planning. The solicitation I read is just such bald face grifting and lying, went out immediately after his plane died, yet.. Let's see how he does on donations for that.
(I may be wrong but currently DeSantis seems to be going for the Trumpism mantel - something today I saw about a special police force for polling stations? after days of culture wars stuff. What I wonder about him is I got a feeling he wants to stay away from the two crazy ladies in the House, doesn't want to look that nuts, what is he going to do when they try to get close?)
by artappraiser on Wed, 03/09/2022 - 11:44pm
Trump's TOAST,.definitely not a genius, at a total loss coming up with anything -
by artappraiser on Thu, 03/10/2022 - 2:27am
Argh, i was just going to post. Idiot savant alert, with emphasis on former. Yet consider how many are loyal to him even still, and he's spoke in mush word salad for years. How do you explain the magic? Even presumably intelligent, hard-working people support a slack TV-addicted self-absorbed grifter who vomits out nonsense. He seems to share none of their values except blurbs he grabs here and there but might contradict moments later, never you mind - is he somehow a human Rorschach test for some segment, all their dreams & aspirations in one disgusting egomaniac? And if they're that easy to lie to, why doesn't the country implode (faster)?
by PeraclesPlease on Thu, 03/10/2022 - 2:36am
a reminder tho that at the start of his admin, he could do a half-assed job of the world leader thing if properly prepped, he ordered bombing of Syrian site of chemical attack because it targeted even "little tiny babees". He can't do it with Putin, he won't dis him for whatever reason.
In any case, I remember reading analysis that Covid just pissed him off real bad because it ruined all his plans for MAGA, whatever they were. Magical thinking that if he ignored it, it would go away. (Remember him promising it will be gone by Easter and we'll all have a beautiful Easter?) And it wouldn't obey him! And then he got it! And tried to make it look like he recovered instantly.
I stopped posting on covid but I'm still paying attention. There's more than one serious studies coming out just now that Long Covid fucks up the brain, haven't read up on them yet. He may have actually lost cognitive function from Long Covid. In either case, Covid sort of really fucked up his narcissist project. He's not been doing well at those rallies he's having, even before Ukraine invasion, it's been a lot of word salad and little else. Not thrilling the fans, not giving them whatever red meat they might want now. Comes to mind that Marjorie Taylor Greene does a better Trump these days than Trump, she really gets the fans riled up and hooting and hollering. Real confident. And he is no longer confident, seems lost.
by artappraiser on Thu, 03/10/2022 - 2:54am
Some already seeing him as the new anti-woke hero to replace Trump
PP, I think you underestimate the damage The Woke (and their friends in the House, The Squad) do to the prospects of the Dem party. It's the thing Bill Maher said "I didn't leave the Democratic party, the Democratic party left me." Centrists types DECADES AGO rejected the moralistic right wing conservatives controlling the GOP (i.e. "Family Values Christians, Tea Party etc.) AND THEREFORE WAS USED TO THEM. They don't want an "either this winger or that kind of winger choice. They want to see someone who fights back/talks back to leftie culture warriors while at the same time is pro-business and doesn't do "family values" crap either.
That was also the appeal of Trump as primary candidate, he talked back to the bogus rightwing culture warriors in the GOP. Talked libertarian values, pro-business. Said he'd cut the health care bullshit, also talked peacenik. etc. Then he won the primary.
I've already heard more than enough praise of DeSantis, till the point of rolling my eyes from two brothers, both used to vote straight Dem. One lives in Ft Lauderdale part of the time, So. Cal. part of the time. Like an extreme Maher, he bitterly complains about how Dems he voted for killed, yes killed, his paradise California, now loathes them. Adores, just adores what Florida is becoming under DeSantis, is a big De Santis fan. Has convinced another brother back home in Milwaukee that DeSantis is the answer.
I know they are just two anecdotals. BUT all of those Hispanic types that are not voting for Dems? Well they hate The Woke, too. I know my Dominican-American and Irish-American neighbors in Bronx loathe The Woke too. Have great hopes that Eric Adams will do the anti-woke thing.
I think: if there aren't more Sister Souljah moments, and strong ones, against The Woke and The Squad and woke-pandering incompetents like Mayor Lightfoot in Chicago and Mayor of Portland and entire government of San Francisco and more voices like former-Mayor Keisha Lance-Bottoms of Atlanta, yelling "go home" and basically "fuck off" to The Woke, De Santis may very likely be our next President.
The center is really fed up with The Woke, not the least of which they constantly attack "western values"!!! Western values which happen to be very very popular in this country right now as well as the world. After all, if you're for bashing western values, you're basically with Putin, aren't you?
Unless he fucks up from what he's doing now, I suspect DeSantis will be a successful replacement for what originally attracted a lot of people to Trump. Dems need to be anti-woke or they really risk losing. Once again, Jim Clyburn knew that all along.
by artappraiser on Fri, 03/11/2022 - 3:45am
worth posting again, because I think it is very true:
I am constantly agog that I see "Democrats" so accepting of bashing Manchin, never challenge that at all, but at the same time so accepting of praise of AOC and The Squad? It just doesn't make sense. It's pandering to the extremes, just like the GOP does. Shouldn't it be the other way around? Especially if you want to win like Obama did in 2008, running to the right of Hillary? Don't Dems want to offer an alternative to extremism? Just let the guy who is good at bashing leftie extremism win?
by artappraiser on Fri, 03/11/2022 - 3:56am
I don't tell the media to counter several billion of aid for West Virginia with "but her emails" and "she's too cozy with racist whites". Cori and AOC didn't do that - the fucking NYTimes did. They'll did whatever clueless woke crap out of their buttholes - we're all fucking Maureen Down now. Gayle Collins brought up Mitt's dog on the roofing 20 fucking columns - so now we have Matt Gets instead. So yeah, we have some minority Dems, but it's how the MSM tied to social media amplify them. No doubt with Russian help. Chaos monkeys, not news. The center has trouble holding. We're peppered with this gen's aliens and Elvis 24x7.
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 03/15/2022 - 4:30am
Same point, different country
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 03/15/2022 - 2:05pm
Including her explainer video
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 03/15/2022 - 3:54pm
It is still very possible for Republicans to win, either in 2024 or 2028, just not with Trump. Comedian Trevor Noah surprised me by ripping on Biden in his monologue and Kamala Harris might not be able to make it through a presidential campaign.
by Orion on Tue, 03/15/2022 - 2:06pm
absolutely it is possible for the GOP to win without Trump. Getting rid of Trump without alienating too many of his fan club is the key.
LIKEWISE I done numerous threads (maybe 100's?) that basically end up with this conclusion from so many different angles: if Dems don't start doing more Sister Souljah's on the The Woke they are in the exact same danger. You don't want to alienate every single one of them but you have to be willing to let some go. James Carville said it out loud a long time ago "The Woke are a problem and we all know it". Likewise for the GOP "Trump -and his twin Marjorie Taylor Greene- is a problem and they all know it."
It's VERY clear they can win. VERY. My thread on Maher for one explains why. But go back to post election studies of the "Hispanic vote" if you don't like that. Proof is allover the place: you can't just stop pandering to the extremists, you have to to disavow them. Especially for those elections where there is big turnout (Virginia governor race a recent major example.)
by artappraiser on Tue, 03/15/2022 - 2:30pm
and furthermore, back to topic: CLEARLY now the GOP has to loudly disavow the Putin lovers to win, not just ignore them like they weren't there on their side. I've been watching for all the examples of them trying to do it, and some interestingly are really twisting themselves into pretzels
by artappraiser on Tue, 03/15/2022 - 2:39pm
Kamala Harris issues actually differ from this stuff about extreme views. She has been having a problem with an image of competence lately in her public appearances, have no idea why that is - cause she didn't have as much a problem running by herself in the primary.
But that attack angle, it's quite different from picking on her as an extreme lefty. Smart opponents aren't doing the latter as they know it can be easily countered with her prosecutorial background/experience. For some reason, lately she's just not doing a good job of projecting as a capable leader in public appearances, and those examples are easy to play up
by artappraiser on Tue, 03/15/2022 - 3:25pm
FWIW, I see the RNC is currently pushing "'it's the economy, stupid, and he don't know how" talking points:
by artappraiser on Tue, 03/15/2022 - 3:36pm
As a famous best-selling novelist, she sees meaningful memes all the time:
by artappraiser on Thu, 03/10/2022 - 12:40pm
yeah, she just retweeted this one too, clearly it reminded her of something else -
by artappraiser on Thu, 03/10/2022 - 12:51pm
by artappraiser on Mon, 03/14/2022 - 6:30pm
I will concede this - Russia Today is really entertaining. When I first watched it, I had trouble believing it was actually Russian state TV since I'd never really seen anything like it. I once watched an episode in which a Mexican TV host was hired by RT to ride the country's major railways from Moscow to Vladivostok. It was great programming. American TV is largely just a bunch of talking heads arguing with each other, reality shows and professional wrestling.
Unfortunately, now, if you click anything by Russia Today on YouTube, it says "video unavailable."
by Orion on Mon, 03/14/2022 - 6:44pm
on how it was to be an American working for RT, haven't read it yet -
by artappraiser on Mon, 03/14/2022 - 8:51pm
I really wish that Christopher Hitchens had made it in to the 2010s because he called this sort of thing. He used to say "they're not anti-war. They are pro-war for the other side."
Before Obama, the Left was populated by a lot of people like this. Democracy Now is still like that. A bunch of super privileged sheltered people who think they're going to get some sort of reward for decrying their country before all the noble savages of the world.
Guys like Howard Dean and Dennis Kucinich used to get in trouble for talking like that before mainstream America, however. It's odd that it finally became mainstream with Donald Trump saying "do you think our country is so innocent?" but I guess Vladimir Putin writes some big checks.
by Orion on Tue, 03/15/2022 - 2:11pm
hey will wonders never cease, lookit what side of the fence Mark Levin fell on:
by artappraiser on Mon, 03/14/2022 - 8:48pm
Kinzinger:
by artappraiser on Tue, 03/15/2022 - 12:11am
by Orion on Tue, 03/15/2022 - 1:53pm
George Will's take on the phenomenon:
I think it's possible that what calls itself conservatism in the United States is somewhere at 1930s levels of popularity, with George Will, Jonah Goldberg, Joe Scarborough, George W. Bush, Mitt Romney and nearly all of its former knights AWOL, and some of that massive wealth that Vladimir Putin stole over his 23 year tenure is keeping it afloat. If it has been going on for some time, that would explain why Mitt Romney felt it so important to warn about Russian influence back in 2012.
Conservatism, to me, always indicated a patriotism and a respect for social order that is just not here at all. Will does a great job tying it to Jane Fonda and others who once honeymooned with America's enemies.
by Orion on Tue, 03/15/2022 - 6:54pm
Um that discussion is like already for the history books-looking like Tucker & Trump are going to have a hard row to hoe, unanimous is not like, say, either of the impeachment votes:
Putin is a war criminal, so sayeth 100 senators
I think you tend to overemphasize the political power of some of these extreme right wingers because you've met and dealt with some? They are pandered to at like maybe CPAC, sure, but when push comes to shove, they are real outliers politically, regular voters are not supposed to be paying attention to such goings on. (Who is like going to run on defending Jan. 6 participants? There is no political value in that.)
by artappraiser on Tue, 03/15/2022 - 9:47pm
p.s. this "Eduardo" guy has a good toon response to the news of the vote results, all of a sudden everyone wants to be the first to call Putin evil and it was the other guy who gave him mulligans:
by artappraiser on Tue, 03/15/2022 - 9:53pm
by artappraiser on Tue, 03/15/2022 - 11:03pm
ok Trump's settled on his scuse! (amazing how that coincided with the Senate vote, ain't it?) I do love Daily Beast's use of sarcastic subtitles:
by artappraiser on Tue, 03/15/2022 - 11:28pm
Rick Wilson's prediction:
by artappraiser on Tue, 03/15/2022 - 11:50pm
Donald Trump Jr. says in a Tweet that his father, former president Donald Trump, should be sent to meet with NATO leaders in Brussels instead of President Biden
by artappraiser on Wed, 03/16/2022 - 12:02am
#ByeByeOAN hashtag trending on Twitter because:
by artappraiser on Tue, 03/15/2022 - 10:00pm