MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE
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Justice Dept. does not comply with court order to release transcripts of Flynn’s conversations with Russian ambassador
By artappraiser on Fri, 05/31/2019 - 9:32pm |
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by artappraiser on Fri, 05/31/2019 - 9:41pm
In other Flynn news:
by artappraiser on Fri, 05/31/2019 - 9:52pm
It doesn't take much to set off faux snowflake hysteria these days. The noobs you quote above failed to mention that it was one of Mueller's team of persecutors that rejected Sullivan's order before declaring the end of the rule of law under the Orange Man Dictator.
I doubt any district judge will ever have the juice to order public release of NSA surveillance transcripts or redacted grand jury information. Sullivan might have been able to view Peter Strzok's notes from his interrogation of Flynn where the supposed crime occurred even though Strzok reported he thought the misstatements were unintentional.
The pencil-neck resistance is in full desperate sandbagging mode now unable to create the smoking gun they need to cover their collusion with corruption.
by Peter (not verified) on Sat, 06/01/2019 - 11:39am
Thank you Peter. I could not have explained it as well as you. Yup, their smoking gun backfired.
by trkingmomoe on Sat, 06/01/2019 - 12:26pm
Looks like you 2 will have fun together. BTW, here's part of what Mueller Report says (tx, Marcy):
(oops, left out the Dowd pout)
by PeraclesPlease on Sat, 06/01/2019 - 5:43pm
Art, you completely missed the fact that this story is about Mueller's obstruction of justice in the Flynn case.. Chuck Grassley has been asking Mueller for the 302 and the notes taken by agent Joe Plentka, from the Flynn interrogation, for two years but all including agent Joe are missing and assumed destroyed. Mueller did release a phony 302 cobbled together seven months after the perjury trap framed Flynn.
Judge Sullivan asked Mueller for any and all Brady information he had on the Flynn case as soon as he got the case and was ignored because he would probably throw out the charges against Flynn upon seeing what exculpatory evidence was being obstructed. Mueller did the same thing in his dossier when he chronicled ' Papadopolus' conversation with Halper in the UK. Sullivan asked specifically for the 302 and notes in his latest order but was again ignored by one of Mueller's angry gnomes.
by Peter (not verified) on Sun, 06/02/2019 - 9:42am
The right's grassy knoll keeps coming up with more and more barely noticed gunmen.
See article on Russian disinfo over the Malaysian flight - can keep inventing new conspiracy theories ad infinitum. Meanwhile Nunes ran the committee for 2 motherfucking years, and the only thing he's known for is a midnight run to the White House to leak info. Why is that, Peter?-is your buttboy so incredibly fucking incompetent that he couldn't get the info out before losing power in January, or is it another magical Democrat miracle? I mean you assholes had all the branches of government for 2 years, yet you keep playing the fucking victims over and over - how stupid are you all? Or how stupid do you think we are?
by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 06/02/2019 - 10:08am
Peter needs to join a club that is in a book I’m reading. It’s called:
Victims Against Victimhood
or VAV
by CVille Dem on Sun, 06/02/2019 - 12:42pm
More how non-victims can touch their inner victim.
A bit of projection, a lack of reflection, an ounce of rejection, a ton of deception...
And voila, you're there.
by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 06/02/2019 - 1:01pm
PP, someday you will be forced to admit that Russiagate was a fraud conspiracy theory with no facts or evidence while Spygate is and always has been a true conspiracy with copious evidence already exposed and much more to come.
Devin Nunes has seen much of this evidence but was limited in what he could say or do because of its classification but now that Barr has the power to declassify the Nunes' translator won't be needed to understand his cryptic comments. We know who the leakers and lyers were in this police state corruption and it wasn't Nunes or any of Trump's true allies.
by Peter (not verified) on Sun, 06/02/2019 - 6:03pm
Your laughable argument is that the investigation that charged a few dozen people, tried several, and got convictions with people serving jail time is fraudulent and the investigation that has charged no one, tried no one and got no convictions with no one serving any jail time is the true crime. And somehow you think some one here will respect you and believe such remarkable stupidity.
by ocean-kat on Sun, 06/02/2019 - 6:37pm
Exactly. Very good.
The president of the United States can't get a "crooked Hillary" indicted within 2 yrs. of his party controlling both houses of Congress. That's because he wants to use her and a "deep state" as an evil foil in an invented story so that he can continue to be a hapless victim of "them". (hat tip: C'Ville.)
by artappraiser on Sun, 06/02/2019 - 6:58pm
Yeah, republicans must be incredibly incompetent. With real crimes and all the power they can't get a single person charged with a crime. All they can do is chant, "Lock her up." And with almost no power and no actual crimes the democrats can get several people put in jail. That seems to be peter's version of events.
by ocean-kat on Sun, 06/02/2019 - 7:38pm
more deep state follies, all "look over here" shell game playing all the time:
If there were no Trump, they'd have to invent him, the old 20th century ones (9/11 Truthers, Masonic, Illuminati, Tri-lateral Commission, New World Order, JFK, Protocols, black helicopters...) had grown so tiresome.
by artappraiser on Sun, 06/02/2019 - 7:17pm
Marcy notes Stone's lawyers argue Russia didn't hack DNC in 1 case, did hack in another trial.
1984 lives - holding on to two incompatible truths at the same time..
https://www.emptywheel.net/2019/06/03/breaking-roger-stone-insists-russi...
by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 06/03/2019 - 7:33pm
Unless you are a FISA judge, signing off on the warrants you find so reprehensible, you are not in a position to say what will be found by the investigation you endorse.
You have to pick a lane. Act like Nunes and hope that further revelations will produce what you want to see or act like Barr and let nobody see nothing.
Do you get it? How the methods are different?
by moat on Sun, 06/02/2019 - 6:49pm
THEM!
by artappraiser on Sun, 06/02/2019 - 7:00pm
Peter,
I’m trying to understand.your position with respect to Flynn.
- Let me accept your statement there was “ exculpatory” information
- and if it had been presented to Judge Sullivan he would have stopped Flynn’s subsequent examination
- In which Flynn presented evidence used by Mueller against the Trump team.
- But the exculpatory information wasn’t presented
- and Flynn did present his evidence
-so even if obtained by deplorable tactics it’s a fact.
Agree?
by Flavius on Sun, 06/02/2019 - 11:36pm
Flav, Judge Sullivan is the sentencing judge in the Flynn case and not part of Mueller's framing Flynn. In fact he has had serious reservations about the whole affair from when he was given the case long after Flynn was interrogated set up and coerced to plead guilty.
I don't think Flynn provided Mueller any information used against the Trump team, correct me if I'm wrong, but he has provided valuable information on people involved with Turkey and that ongoing investigation.
by Peter (not verified) on Mon, 06/03/2019 - 12:14am
Both Obama and Elijah Cummings warned Trump about Flynn before he selected Flynn as head of NSA. While working for the campaign *AND* undisclosed for Turkey, Flynn made up supposed connections between Hillary and Turkish dissident Gulun to get an FBI investigation launched.
Then in December, this:
Flynn is a criminal and you are an apologist for a criminal. He pled guilty because he's fucking guilty, and likely the reason he gets no jail time is because he dropped dirt on Trump, Kusher, Erik Prince and all these other conniving Trump/GOP scumbags to help Mueller's campaign and intelligence reports. Let those records come out in more detail.
by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 06/03/2019 - 2:47am
The tale of two judges.
Your Judge Sullivan is like this: "In fact he has had serious reservations about the whole affair from when he was given the case long after Flynn was interrogated set up and coerced to plead guilty."
But the one Flynn faced at sentencing tore the guy a new one. The second Judge Sullivan seems keen for everybody to know what he knows about the man.
by moat on Mon, 06/03/2019 - 9:12am
Thanks for the description of Sullivan's role. Like most of the people you interact with here I had at least a broad understanding of Flynn's activities. Enough to suit me.
On one occasion which I won't further describe I had lunch with the then- head of the NSA whose own relationship with the agency was such that he selected a suburban hotel , whose dining room he knew would be empty at lunch time. And rejected the proposed seating arrangement to sit far away from any wall . For some reason.
He knew exactly how much time he had left in office. Days, hours , minutes . And probably seconds .
Flynn in comparison seems like a tragic figure . I appreciate the seniority of the position ,in most of the between war periods there have been periods when there were no four- star generals so the Lt. Generals were top of the pops. . ( I' m afraid I'm reminded of the popular question " Would you rather be a Colonel with an eagle on your shoulder or a private with a chicken on your knee?")
Seeing him on the RNC platform,features screwed up as he inappropriately joined the chant of "lock her up" made me think, there's a story there. Not a happy one.
by Flavius on Mon, 06/03/2019 - 10:50am
There has been a lot of spin and false narratives produced about Flynn's activities and he was a man marked and targeted by Obama's police state actors for character assassination and removal from the moment he publicly opposed Obama's appeasement Iran deal.
It may have been unwise for Flynn to join the 'Lock Her Up' chant but the reactionary hysteria that plea produced from the Left is mch more telling about the state of our republic. Calling for the equal application of the rule of law not the rule of men as was displayed blatantly in the Clinton server scandal is certainly a threat to the power of the postmodern neo-Marxists agenda the dems would love to impose upon all of us.
by Peter (not verified) on Mon, 06/03/2019 - 12:26pm
I don't have time to track down all the bizarre conspiracy theories you attempt to spread here nor do I have time to debunk them all. But this is nonsense on it's face. There were many who publicly opposed the Iran deal both here and abroad. Remember this was a multi-nation deal. Flynn was in no way special in opposing the deal. Not especially prominent, influential, or powerful. His opposition in no way showed any unique insight or knowledge that might be especially damaging. There's no reason that out of many who spoke out against the deal Obama's government would single out Flynn for character assassination.
by ocean-kat on Mon, 06/03/2019 - 3:14pm
I enjoy a cleverly constructed conspiracy theory and enjoy debunking false narratives they create.
[then debunk them with real evidence - stop spouting shit. Rest of comment deleted for its pure smug propagandist value & pedantic undeserved insult - still waiting for your "clever" that outed perhaps a half year ago - the droutgh's way too long. - PP]
by Peter (not verified) on Mon, 06/03/2019 - 6:54pm
Maybe you're an idiot who's never held a job and is still living on his parent's couch, but in the real world the leader of a company or government entity typically sets the policies, and it's the underlings' duty to promote those policies whether they like them or not. So fyck off with your codswallow "deep state" bullshit. And that's not why he was a security risk - he was running state-sponsored intrigue for Turkey *while* working on the Trump campaign and getting US security briefings plus he *lied* on his US security clearance forms and hid this activity like so many of Trump's corrupt appointments, *and* was making shit up about the former Secretary of State for the then current President to drag the US government into an international scandal. That's called "disqualifying", especually for the highest security posiytion, and Flynn was let go. It don't get much simpler. Even the mighty Petraeus lost his CIA slot for giving confidential docs to his mistress.
by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 06/03/2019 - 3:28pm
I have no doubt that Flynn performed exceptionally, probably heroically , to have been appointed a Lt. General.
Some of his earlier subordinates must have seen him joining in the "lock her up" chant and been disappointed
and even somehow a little diminished by it.
I'm fond of a photo of an Admiral whom I knew , marching with Truman in a ceremony. He detested Harry-whom I admired - but would have saluted him without hesitation.
He would have said he saluted the position.
by Flavius on Mon, 06/03/2019 - 7:40pm
My reading of Flynn is he's an example of the Peter Principle. He seems to be extremely competent high up in the hierarchy when given specific tasks to accomplish with proper supervision to stay on task and not stray into unrelated areas. But when he rises too high and is left alone to follow his own lead he spins out of control in strange and unsettling ways that antagonize his staff and underlings.
by ocean-kat on Mon, 06/03/2019 - 8:04pm
Flave, even if Flynn was as wrong as you seem to think he was to join in the 'Lock Her Up' chant I would hope you wouldn't condone his being set up and railroaded, possibly into prison. Mueller has already bankrupted him, destroyed his business and reputation in many peoples minds
Judge Sullivan did manage to force the release of a telling document, the full transcript of Trumps' lawyer Doud to Flynn's lawyer. Mueller entered a perversely edited version of this transcript into his dossier that intentionally altered the meaning and intent of the request to smear Trump's lawyer and by inference Trump. This isn't the actions of an honest investigator but a political hack and zealous inquisitor.
The whole of the Mueller Dossier needs to be carefully examined to see how many other examples of this type of fraud can be found. In an actual trial this altering of a transcript could lead to criminal charges for anyone stupid enough to attempt this doctoring.
by Peter (not verified) on Tue, 06/04/2019 - 1:30am
For someone who hates "snowflakes", you got the most pussyfied take on things I can imagine - people are bawling and sniffing in the aisles already. And there I thought conservatives were a bunch if brawny tough guys. Hope tgose kids at the border don't see this - they'll eat you for lunch.
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 06/04/2019 - 7:50am
Hey Peter, here's Trump bud Nader arrested on child porn charges. Hookers, underage prey, pool boys they just happen to meet (and fund), whatever - how icky are all these self-righteous "moral" Republicans with their "sanctity of life" speeches?
But go ahead and defend Nader - that's the side of the street you seem to work best.
https://www.emptywheel.net/2019/06/03/key-mueller-witness-george-nader-a...
by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 06/03/2019 - 7:39pm
More on Nader:
by artappraiser on Mon, 06/03/2019 - 11:29pm
As usual you are confused or selling limited hangout snowflake confusion. Trump's team do deserve criticism for not properly vetting this creep Nader, they should have known the type of scum that floats around the DC swamp but had to learn the hard way.Some of the things Nader did make it appear he may have been sent to infiltrate the Trump team and the fact he worked with a number of past presidents R and D and had ME connections may have opened the door without too many questions.
Mueller shielded this creep from prosecution for a year so he could help create collusion delusion lies that Mueller knew were lies.or facts that could be manipulated to appear to support collusion.
by Peter (not verified) on Tue, 06/04/2019 - 7:04pm
Does Peter seem that much of an outlier? Several Republicans I’ve spoken to believe in the Deep State. Others don’t like Trump’s language or behavior, but approve of the judges he is appointing, so they remain loyal.
by rmrd0000 on Mon, 06/03/2019 - 11:12am
In general perhaps not but his specifics are unusual. He comes up with conspiracy theories that I rarely come across in my reading. Sometimes I wonder what fabulist web site he's getting his fiction from. Mostly I don't care as he has no influence. Alex Jones is a real problem as his nonsense has greater reach.
by ocean-kat on Mon, 06/03/2019 - 2:17pm
The Sullivan and Piata (sp?) bit was copied over a number of right wing rags, so pretty much lockstep wiith orders.
by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 06/03/2019 - 3:34pm
Scratch the surface of most Trumpsters and you find Peter. That presents a much bigger problem than Alex Jones. Look how fast they turned on a Republican who laid out the facts on why Trump should be impeached. We are facing an alternate reality on the Republican side. They are willing to back obstruction of Congressional subpoenas and court orders.
by rmrd0000 on Mon, 06/03/2019 - 7:09pm
It's a matter of opinion as to which is the larger problem. The mass of people who take or support actions detrimental to the nation or the few who write the fiction that moves them to action. You know where I stand on that question.
by ocean-kat on Mon, 06/03/2019 - 8:15pm
The economic excuse is that Trumpsters went through the same economic stress as everyone else but can’t see the light. The overall excuse is that Trumpsters are sheep led by Fox. Fox is not going away. Their fears aren’t going away. We just need to outvote the Trumpsters and make sure that we encourage people who stayed home in 2016 to come to the polls in 2020. The midterms should give some hope.
by rmrd0000 on Wed, 06/05/2019 - 8:44am
It's great that the neo-Maoists who run your party have the Mexifornia failed state, Banana Republic model to offer to improve life in the rest of the US. Masses of homeless junkies, third world diseases, growing poverty and plenty of cheap illegal labor are the dem's new American Dream, who wouldn't come out and vote for that? I almost forgot, high taxes and failed schools will make voting for dems irresistible.
by Peter (not verified) on Wed, 06/05/2019 - 10:39am
Peter the Dystopian.
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 06/05/2019 - 10:46am
Just realized these belong here more than another thread I put it on a while ago:
by artappraiser on Mon, 06/03/2019 - 7:38pm
by artappraiser on Mon, 06/03/2019 - 10:11pm
Judge withdraws demand that DOJ publicly release Flynn-Kislyak transcript
By Gigi Sukin @ Axios.com, 4 hrs. ago
by artappraiser on Tue, 06/04/2019 - 11:30pm