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Southwest Fire Behavior : Scary Biscuits
By we are stardust on Fri, 06/03/2011 - 12:30pm |This fire near Alpine, AZ in the White Mountains was maybe 700+ acres two days ago. The combination of tinder-dry fuels and high winds have caused it to grow to over 106,000 acres by today. The spotting (embers aloft to produce other new fires) is three miles.
This just on the heels of NOAA stating that the Southwest was helped immeasurably by recent rains. They forgot that climate change means increased winds, perhaps.
Fires almost always dampen down at night; this one GREW 60,000 acres last night, and is running downhill, which is rare. It's in a very steep area, hard to defend the houses, though all the towns threatened have been evacuated. I've never heard of a fire like this.
Might be a long wildland fire season.
URL:
http://inciweb.org/incident/2262/
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Yikes, pretty nasty. Is your son working this one?
by kgb999 on Fri, 06/03/2011 - 3:49pm
Yep; godspeed to them all.
by we are stardust on Fri, 06/03/2011 - 3:51pm
You have fires and parts of the west have floods.
by cmaukonen on Fri, 06/03/2011 - 10:19pm
Thanks for James; that's really one of my very favorites. Some parts of West have both; the snow is melting really fast, though. And in burn areas, much rain means erosion and sometimes floods, like the West Coast. Those websites I gave you are good, and our son just texted that they are safe. Hairy night last night 'saving babies and bunnies' as he says. ;o)
by we are stardust on Fri, 06/03/2011 - 10:55pm
kgb! Here's my son! The fire's up to 140,000acres, zero containment. Now 1100 firefighters on it...high winds. But here he is (last night anyway!) Jordan! Jordan!
Dark brown skin, scruffy beard, red hard hat, pointing at the Sky!!!
[see next comment] (at the 3-minute mark)
by we are stardust on Sat, 06/04/2011 - 3:20pm
Shoot; the link above is one I gave Peter Schwwarz. Here it is; it had embed code. Wing them a prayer or a good thought, peeps; okay?
by we are stardust on Sat, 06/04/2011 - 3:43pm
Dunno if he'll win an Oscar for that performance ...
by Donal on Sun, 06/05/2011 - 8:32am
Prolly right there. Maybe he was saying: "Hey dudes; that slurry bomber is about to dump a load of retardent on us. Maybe we should end the meeting?"
by we are stardust on Sun, 06/05/2011 - 8:51am
The news sure liked that one shot of pines blazing up, eh?
That fire doesn't even seem to be heading in a direction ... it's just headed. I think the guys from here may be on it ... it's a cool season and the snowpack was pretty good this year so not much happening on our district. Last I heard they were clearing consumables from the local area ... but it seems they are out *somewhere* now.
Certainly sending well wishes out to the whole crew. They are all pretty sharp at their jobs ... bet they are worried about getting dumped on by those airplanes as much as anything.
[Heh. I watched the vid before I read the description ... don't like to brag but I totally guessed right.]
by kgb999 on Sun, 06/05/2011 - 1:36am
Gaak! Last year they got retardent dumped on them twice in one day, had to wear it for the next three. Bad shit it is, too. Protecting the houses: yep; last text we got from J they were doing that, and surrounded by a fire ring. (Some of that is a political decision wjhich gets tricky in terms of crew safety.) No thanks; fire scares the bejebus outta me.
We're 300 miles away, and the smoke is here; yesterday our mountains were hidden in smoke. Sunrise is blaze orange; the rocks are molten looking where the sun hits them.
Which hotshot crews are from your area? And blm or forest circus? Panhandle seems to be the Northern Rockies district...
Ah, go on and brag.
by we are stardust on Sun, 06/05/2011 - 9:01am
Here's the Northern Rockies Coordination Center; you can fool around with it, maybe track them. Looks like it's laid out differently than our center's site is. Under Dispatch, Crews, Sit 100 on the right. Resource status:
http://gacc.nifc.gov/nrcc/predictive/intelligence/resource_status.pdf
Crazy how different; Mr. Stardust dug it out for ya. ;o) Five in Alaska, two in CO.
by we are stardust on Sun, 06/05/2011 - 9:48am
I hope the best for your loved ones.
I would sure like to know how the fire was started.
Hopefully it wasn't started on purpose to serve a cause.
Theres been a lot of excitement about land swaps and possibly one of the largest copper mines around the Miami/Superior area.
These types of operations take a lot of water; ..... water that would get sucked up by vegetation upstream; unless ...there was no vegetation?
Protect life at all costs and the structures as best they can and the fire rages up all of the canyons. (Tributaries)
Imagine the waters not being obstucted or slowed down by root growth and the massive amounts of water from future hydrological events; being channeled to where it could be used.
Maybe a mining operation could use this water? City of Phoenix and surrounding area?.
Water being more valuble than Trees?
What is the geological makeup of the area? Is the burn area heavily mineralized?
I would like to see an overlay of the region on fire, and a watershed map.
It may be a difficult assignment, one for an investigative reporter.
I am just that cynical to believe that Corporate interests could care less about trees or Bambi.
They're slash and burning the Amazon river area for farm land.
http://ag.arizona.edu/azaqua/watershed/water.html
http://www.fs.usda.gov/wps/portal/fsinternet/!ut/p/c5/04_SB8K8xLLM9MSSzPy8xBz9CP0os3gjAwhwtDDw9_AI8zPwhQoY6IeDdGCqCPOBqwDLG-AAjgb6fh75uan6BdnZaY6OiooA1tkqlQ!!/dl3/d3/L2dJQSEvUUt3QS9ZQnZ3LzZfMjAwMDAwMDBBODBPSEhWTjBNMDAwMDAwMDA!/?ss=110301&navtype=forestBean&navid=091000000000000&pnavid=null&cid=null&ttype=main&pname=Apache%20and%20Sitgreaves%20National%20Forests%20-%20Home
http://ag.arizona.edu/azaqua/watershed/ltlcolo.html
by Resistance on Sun, 06/05/2011 - 3:51am
Good of you to send them safety wishes. Can't think even greedy industry would be so stupid and evil. Most are caused by carelessness, thought there was a man who said God told him to start three othe AZ fires; delusional schizophrenic, it sounds like.
I saw a satellite photo of the areas on the planet that have been clearcut (Amazon for one) and are becoming quickly desertified. Bad, bad, bad.
Fire cause is still 'under investigation'.
Thanks for the link; we follow on a few sites like this, too. And this.
by we are stardust on Sun, 06/05/2011 - 9:16am
"He struck a match in hopes of creating a job. It worked"
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/0617rodeo-intro0617.html?&wired
"They called it "The Monster," as if a flame-throwing, smoke-belching thing had life - a force of nature writhing through Arizona's forest.
But the Rodeo-Chediski Fire, actually two blazes that merged, was hardly natural.
Rather, it was set intentionally by humans under the worst conditions of combustion. Five years ago this week - on June 18, 2002 - part-time firefighter Leonard Gregg left his home in Cibecue and hiked up into the junipers, where he struck a match in hopes of creating a job. It worked
On June 20, after being stranded and lost for three days in the forest, Valley resident Valinda Jo Elliott saw a helicopter approaching. She started a signal fire. She was rescued.
But the monster was loose, and there was no hope, no useful strategy for stopping it. It would become the most destructive wildfire in modern Arizona.
Thanks for the links
Don't you just love the tools we have available
by Resistance on Sun, 06/05/2011 - 9:48am
Yeah; it happens sometimes; it's terrible, but rare. I meant to say too that so many fires are caused by lightning, but they usually know that right away. Two-cycle-engine sparks, campfires not put out, cigs tossed outta car windows...careless stupidity.
The mountain on one side of the canyon we live in has some metal in the rocks that attracts it; we're phoning dispatch all the time to report them. And we have a good view of the La Platas and sometimes can tell dispatch which roads they need to take to get to the fires. Pretty wild, all in all.
by we are stardust on Sun, 06/05/2011 - 10:04am
The AZ Wallow fire is up to almost 240,000 acres; over two thousand firefighters on the scene, but zero % containment. No slurry bombers (air tankers) have been able to fly all week (old DC-10s and the like, very cumbersome to turn), and today the helicopters were grounded due to high winds. They hope the weather changes tomorrow.
The back-burns have helped, but the embers from the crowning trees blow long distances; more towns to the north of under mandatory evacuation.
by we are stardust on Mon, 06/06/2011 - 10:55pm
Lets bring a few Harrier Jets in, redirecting the thrust, turning the flames back across the already consumed fuel?
I wish?
by Resistance on Mon, 06/06/2011 - 11:40pm