MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE
by Michael Wolraich
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VP - Senator Kamala Harris
By NCD on Tue, 08/11/2020 - 4:22pm |She was my best hope for the ticket. One exceptionally smart, quick witted and tough woman you would be thankful to have your team.
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https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/2020-election-biden-vp-pick/index.html
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Some interesting reactions
(the lefties are out in force on Twitter, as "Tulsi" is trending, also I see some Trump fans posting Tulsi vs. Kamala as well)
by artappraiser on Tue, 08/11/2020 - 9:31pm
p.s.Glenn Greenwald retweeted the AIPAC video tweet above and then this as well:
I think the Kamala choice may be Joe's "sister souljah moment", and it's convenient as it allows him to be nice understanding Uncle Joe and she can be the tough guy.?
by artappraiser on Tue, 08/11/2020 - 9:40pm
I did not know of the donations of which Seth speaks.
by artappraiser on Tue, 08/11/2020 - 9:42pm
by artappraiser on Wed, 08/12/2020 - 3:53am
note that the "top cop" article was first published Aug. 9 before the announcement, but has been updated on Aug. 11
by artappraiser on Wed, 08/12/2020 - 3:55am
excerpt
by artappraiser on Wed, 08/12/2020 - 6:45am
Some very twisted prognostication along these lines of "which side is she really on?"
by artappraiser on Wed, 08/12/2020 - 6:02pm
by artappraiser on Wed, 08/12/2020 - 8:34am
"My mother understood very well she was raising two black daughters. She knew that her adopted homeland would see Maya and me as black girls, and she was determined to make sure we would grow into confident black women," she wrote.
https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-53745141
by rmrd0000 on Wed, 08/12/2020 - 9:06am
here we go, there were busy bee interns working on oppo research on all the gals for weeks, ready to go no matter what, here's what Dinesh has on Kamala already:
by artappraiser on Wed, 08/12/2020 - 9:01am
and here's a quick sampling of various rapid war room stuff:
Personally, I don't think that the :"she's a flaming liberal, not a moderate" is going to work as well here as with Hillary, but I could be wrong, it's just my gut feeling.
by artappraiser on Wed, 08/12/2020 - 9:07am
Liz Cheney:
first two replies I see to her are fun
by artappraiser on Wed, 08/12/2020 - 9:40am
Health insurance still flies as a campaign topic?
You'd think mismanaging a health crisis to 5-10 million infected, a few hundred thousand dead would kinda take away the healthcare mojo. I mean, what good's having decent job-funded healthcare when your whole block is trying to infect you?
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 08/12/2020 - 10:10am
Not only that, tons of people are losing that employer funded health insurance along with their jobs.Lots of emergency sign-ups for Obamacare. And them that don't do the latter ASAP may be surprised at how little any version of gummint (state, local health, federal) is actually clearly picking up the tab for coronavirus related testing and related. Providers send bills to the patient whenever there's a question about who is going to pay and in the end, the patient is responsible for trying to get any other parties to pay for it.
by artappraiser on Wed, 08/12/2020 - 10:19am
Yeah, relaxing on you to supply the gory details. What me worry, Ive got socialist Europe care. We even know how to sew and wear masks.
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 08/12/2020 - 11:12am
Psst - Trump was born in Jamaica - pass it on.
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 08/12/2020 - 4:56pm
by artappraiser on Wed, 08/12/2020 - 12:04pm
Oh my, enjoy.
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 08/12/2020 - 1:39pm
by artappraiser on Wed, 08/12/2020 - 12:20pm
dazed and confused talking points! rattled!
by artappraiser on Wed, 08/12/2020 - 12:29pm
I imagine Mother is knitting Mike a special jock strap for the debates.
by moat on Wed, 08/12/2020 - 1:41pm
In a news conference still going on right after the Biden/Harris formal announcement, Drumpf is babbling memes nonsensically, running off in all directions, nearly stream of consciousness, inbetween reading text in his worst sing songy depressed grade schooler voice
The local NY news station "NY1" is broadcasting it and I had that on in the background.
by artappraiser on Wed, 08/12/2020 - 6:13pm
Let the contrast begin.
All i care about anymore is the return of the English language. We have to start somewhere.
by moat on Wed, 08/12/2020 - 6:36pm
a realistic goal!
You made me think of how Dr. Zhivago made it through all variety of hellish situations just falling back on fancy poetry.
by artappraiser on Wed, 08/12/2020 - 6:52pm
That scene in the movie where the Doctor finds the ink and paper in the drawer is my favorite part.
The rest of the production was an attempt to give meaning to that moment.
by moat on Wed, 08/12/2020 - 7:10pm
I like that scene too. Right before he writes the poem (it is the poem that is a paen to Lara) Lara is spooked by wolves howling at the moon and she says something like oh Yuri what a terrible time to be alive! And I thought I could never truly understand until 2020 came about, that is...
by artappraiser on Wed, 08/12/2020 - 7:19pm
I saw it at a drive-in. My Mom pushed my head behind the seat fór the Cossacks scene. ever since Ive been deathly afraid of Cossacks. (She was too slow for a 2nd feature with Sandra Dee undressing at the doctor's. Gidget movies put me in relapse to this day.)
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 08/12/2020 - 11:44pm
Realized reading this Newsweek piece about citizens and eligibility for president that Trump nullified the clause forever by being a Russian asset all through office and before. That a whole political party supported this treason is amazing. Which other parts of the Constitution are rendered obsolete now?
by PeraclesPlease on Thu, 08/13/2020 - 1:18am
by artappraiser on Sat, 08/15/2020 - 9:01am
Andrew Yang retweeted this:
by artappraiser on Sun, 08/16/2020 - 10:23am
by artappraiser on Sun, 08/16/2020 - 10:52am
Lefties no likey, retweeted by Occupy the Port
Black Magic@pdfreshness Out here straight ~vibing~waiting for the revolution. #BLM He/him/his Joined September 2013, 1,143 Following, 4270 Followers
by artappraiser on Sun, 08/16/2020 - 6:55pm
So we have a poll on Harris' popularity and we have a guy on Twitter
by rmrd0000 on Sun, 08/16/2020 - 7:13pm
For chrissakes, the popularity is with centrists! The tough on "law and order" rep, that's why he picked her! You want to hear more how much lefties don't like her, I can furnish lots!
(News for you: they don't like Biden either! They like Bernie or Tulsi. Ask Jolly Roger if you don't believe me, like other lefties, he loathes Joe. Did you miss the "fuck Joe Biden" chant during the NYC BLM protests?)
Vox even did a splainer:
by artappraiser on Sun, 08/16/2020 - 9:37pm
The Progressives who come out to vote will support her
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/12/us/politics/kamala-harris-progressives-popularity.html?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage
by rmrd0000 on Sun, 08/16/2020 - 9:48pm
Are you really that clueless?
More from Vox:
Kamala Harris is a politician, not an activist. It’s an awkward fit for this moment.
While many have called for Harris’s nomination in reaction to the Black Lives Matter movement, her politics are not rooted there.
From Vice.com:
Black Lives Matter Isn't Going to Just 'Shut Up and Vote' for Kamala Harris
Refusing to account for her "top cop" record risks squandering the energy and enthusiasm of the BLM criminal justice reform movement.
From Democracy Now!:
As Kamala Harris Makes History as VP Pick, Her “Top Cop” Record Faces New Scrutiny Amid BLM Protests
Ted Rall @ WSJ:
Kamala Harris Won’t Satisfy Progressives
In 2016, Democrats mistook identity politics for policy. Here we go again.
Left Voice:
Jim Crow Joe and Kamala the Cop: Another Blue Lives Matter Ticket
by artappraiser on Sun, 08/16/2020 - 10:00pm
If I'm clueless, Bernie is right there with me.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/16/sanders-harris-vice-president-396150
Edit to add
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/bidens-pledge-to-choose-a-woman-for-vp-was-popular-and-so-is-harris/
by rmrd0000 on Sun, 08/16/2020 - 10:31pm
by artappraiser on Sun, 08/16/2020 - 10:24pm
Sanders was her candidate. Sanders lost to Biden. The tide turned in South Carolina. The base gave a strong message what direction they were taking.
As questionable as they are, I'll go with the available polls, rather than the Twitterverse.
by rmrd0000 on Sun, 08/16/2020 - 10:35pm
What don't you get about that I am talking about lefties? You are switching to talking about rank and file Dems. Lefties are left of the party faithful! That's why I called them lefties.
Sanders is being a good boy this time, he learned his lesson. Many of his followers are not.. Including her! You think I don't know who she is?! That's why I posted it!
The opposition (Trump campaign) is trying to paint Biden and Harris as lefties. People who are not crazy know they are not. The Democratic party is not all kumbaya. If it was, the lefties wouldn't be primarying centrists in liberal districts like you just crowed about winning elsewhere.
South Carolina turned the tide for Joe precisely because its voters are more traditional conservative Democrats.
Another clue: the majority of voters in presidential elections are independents.
And the Democratic party is not at all unified on policy. The unity only comes from the urgency "anybody but Trump." Even on little dagblog you have examples Jolly Roger will be holding his nose voting for Biden, and oceankat has already stated he will not.
by artappraiser on Sun, 08/16/2020 - 11:00pm
Nothing in the platform matters as far as policy. Biden will do as he will. The platform Is all signalling. Will it unite or be a suicide/expose vulnerabilities to the other side?,
PS - Joe wont be running for re-election, So no "you promised!"
by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 08/16/2020 - 11:20pm
58% of registered voters who support Joe Biden in the 2020 election say their vote is more in opposition to President Trump than in support of Biden
by ocean-kat on Sun, 08/16/2020 - 11:31pm
Go back to the first comment on this thread, what I posted! First thing: Bill Kristol, neo-con Republican tweeting
Both Donald Trump’s and Bernie Sanders’ press secretaries don’t like Kamala Harris. Seems good.
Leftie Kyle Kulinski says "kill me!" because she has schmoozed AIPAC.
jeezus, it's maddening trying to communicate with you, it's nearly like talking with Trump.
by artappraiser on Sun, 08/16/2020 - 11:08pm
It is depressing communicating with you.
You see everything that Liberals/Progressives do as harmful
If trans restrooms are defended, Progressives will destroy the Democrats
Don't talk about race, it will destroy the Democrats
Any crime committed anywhere hurts the Democrats
On and on and on.
You love throwing around the term Leftie
You are Debbie Downer, you will always see the negative
Democrats disagreeing is normal
Then they come together and vote
Hillary got three million more votes thanTrump
Now activists are making sure the vote gets out in the critical states
Despite the fact that Republicans are cheating and the Russians (Chinese, Iranians, etc.) are coming, I am still hopeful
by rmrd0000 on Sun, 08/16/2020 - 11:31pm
I consider myself an old school liberal on domestic policy and a centrist on economics and foreign policy, what is now called a neo-liberal. These days that puts me in the center! I think Biden Harris is an excellent ticket. I loathe "progressives" and wokees trying to derail that because it's too conservative for them.
Furthermore I think it's a horrendous hysteria that caused a bunch of spoiled white kids of privilege around the world to decide it's more important now to fight police for months on end and destroy statues of old tyme "colonizers" when more people have died in this country from coronavius since March than from WWII much less Vietnam, and many more have permanent disability
and when gun-related violence has skyrocketed allover the place,
cities are dying,
and especiallly when this heartrending reality is going on to perhaps hundreds of thousands of people around this country:
Obsession with police abuse right now is not just absurd, but cruel to sufferers of so many other things with many many more victims. And appallinging illogical to me. Same for many "woke" concerns. Later maybe, not now. There's a worldwide pandemic going on and people have no income and many businesses have been destroyed. It's as bad or worse than the Great Depression what we are living through. To obsess over "progressive" concerns, especially the behavior of a minority of police, is as bad as any far right nut.
by artappraiser on Mon, 08/17/2020 - 12:27am
Interesting. I consider myself an old school liberal too, in all ways. The modern left has moved away from me and the center hasn't moved left enough for me to feel a part of it. I agree with so much of your post. But to then think Biden Harris is an excellent ticket is incomprehensible to me. As the best ticket to beat the hated Trump, maybe. But as an excellent ticket to deal with the "incredible urgencies allover the place." I think it's the worse ticket to do that.
by ocean-kat on Mon, 08/17/2020 - 1:12am
At the top you have to have people who work all sides of the fence. It's a big country! The red blue divide is ginned up by those who benefit from it but done with moderation instead of antagonism a majority can be formed about a lot of things, there's a lot of purple potential out there.. I think of how Bill Clinton and Newt Gingrich made deals while Gingrich played the culture war game for the gullible. Or conversely, how Reagan played moderate and sensible for the gullible which allowed him to do radical stuff. Biden and Harris together bridge a lot of identity politics divides, that leaves real politics to get done in Congress with their assistance. They're good for the roles. People give too much attention to those roles, downticket is much more important, including state politics.
by artappraiser on Mon, 08/17/2020 - 1:58am
You are free to your opinion on police abuse. I think turning a blind eye is dangerous. Why does the NYPD Union back Trump? Trump takes away checks and balances on their action. You do not get to decide what angers others.
You use the term "Leftie" and "Woke" to dismiss people with a different opinion. An individual who was involved in Bernie's campaign says that the Biden/Harris ticket lets down the "base". This individual offers her opinion ignoring the fact that the "base" abandoned Sanders. She joins other people with access to Twitter who offer their opinions.You label them "Lefties" or "Wokies", or whatever. These individual s do not speak for all on the Left or all who consider themselves Woke. Your use of "Leftie" and "Woke" have no meaning. Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren support Biden/Harris. Van Jones supports Biden/Harris. You need to hone your wording. You use the term as a bludgeon. The next time you use the term "Leftie" or "Woke", I'm going to imagine that you called someone a Gremlin or an Evil Genie because the way you use the terms carries the same meaning.
People are on the frontlines of COVID. The reason we are losing the battle is because of an incompetent President. Gremlins and Evil Genies are not why people are dying. Homicide rates are high at a time when the police are not trusted, we have a pandemic, and people have no income. Gremlins and Evil Genies did not create the spark, incompetence at the top created the spark.
Lack of police is not spreading COVID. Sending children back to school and college will cause deaths, not Gremlins and Evil Genies.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/08/17/coronavirus-covid-live-updates-us/
Cases were not due to a lack of police or the presence of Gremlins and Evil Genies.
by rmrd0000 on Mon, 08/17/2020 - 1:23am
That so called "fact" is contingent on how one defines the base of the democratic party. That's not at all clear or universally agreed upon. I think you define the base as the black people. That's a self serving and imo inaccurate definition of the democratic base.
by ocean-kat on Mon, 08/17/2020 - 1:34am
Let me be clear and put it this way: I don't think I ever disagreed with a single thing Obama ever said, can't think of one (I also always thought he and Hillary were alike as two politicians could be and didn't have a preference which won the primary. The only thing that bothered me about him was the fans who treated him as a celeb). I think you say things he would disagree with all the time. What's your excuse for being tribal instead of globalist and not being for a bipartisan attitude? Here he basically calls people who think like you do unrealistic and immature, I do as well
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaHLd8de6nM
by artappraiser on Mon, 08/17/2020 - 2:11am
Good diversion
You use the terms "Leftie" and "Woke" as slurs. Yet, if a statement is made about "Trump voters", you come running out arguing "How dare you lump all those sweet people together". You set a double standard. Everyone who disagrees with you is "tribal". You use "Leftie" and "Woke" as. slurs, then in next breath talk about bipartisanship. I'm laughing. You are perfect. Others need to change.
by rmrd0000 on Mon, 08/17/2020 - 7:29am
Your selective filter still fogging your lights. "Leftie" And "woke" describing certain behavior & (intolerant) beliefs, not everyone who protests, etc. Similar to different fanctions of antiTrump & never-Trumpers - flyover or coastal or...
by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 08/17/2020 - 7:59am
Nothing selective about my filter. Nothing bipartisan in her delivery
by rmrd0000 on Mon, 08/17/2020 - 9:04am
Yet, if a statement is made about "Trump voters", you come running out arguing "How dare you lump all those sweet people together"
Got a link to show me saying that?! hah, whenever you are in troubled waters you start arguing with some strawman who has never appeared on Dag. Not even nonny would describe them that way.
CLUE: "lefties" and "woke" not the same as "Democrats", just a faction of them. (And not a favored faction at the current convention, according to many complaints.)
Makes me realize that most of your discourse is deluded by a belief that it's all one big happy family on the left of the aisle. You really really believe in partisan warring. No grays for you, just black and white.
Watch that Obama statement. Or read Orwell. Try to understand what tolerance really means: not being intolerant like extreme lefties and extreme righties, like extremists are. That's why they call them extreme.
by artappraiser on Mon, 08/17/2020 - 10:26am
Hillary lost. Here we are. "Hope" the pandemic ends soon, your mail gets delivered?
by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 08/17/2020 - 12:22am
p.s. I would like to note the mention of police in that WaPo article:
I think Kamala Harris would not support defunding that cop right now and I think that's good. There aren't enough talented social workers right now to handle all the
problemssevere crisesby artappraiser on Mon, 08/17/2020 - 12:38am
I doubt there are "true" versions of people. Some may thrive or reach their "true" potential under stress, others may fold. But the planet as a whole seems to do better with less war, less poverty. And women are much less likely to beat people under stress than men - Is that "true" gender talking?
by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 08/17/2020 - 1:38am
are there are lot of female cops that are excessively violent?
by artappraiser on Mon, 08/17/2020 - 2:01am
As another indicator, yes. I mean, no.
by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 08/17/2020 - 3:05am
Ken Vogel tweets link to info. on Mr. Harris @ law.com
by artappraiser on Mon, 08/17/2020 - 6:41pm
by artappraiser on Fri, 08/21/2020 - 12:06am