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    How I Learned To Stop Worrying And Love The Obama

    What a four years it's been.  Back in 2008, after two terms of George W. Bush, I felt overtaken by an impulse to want to upend the entire system and to undo the wrongs of the Aught decade.  Hillary Clinton seemed to me to be the pugilist needed to egt the job done but when it became clear that she would not be selected, I learned to start liking Obama.  Clinton apparently came to the same conclusion and she has been one of the most effective members of her administration.

    Still, I went kicking and screaming.  Obama and his campaign warned those of us on the left of mainstream not to expect too, too much.  While it's easy to fool yourself into thinking of those warnings as just words, it's probably the reality that Obama's moderation is genuine.

    Which, of course, makes it so frustrating to seem him smeared as some sort of American Che Guevara.

    I know I've said this before, but it seems to me that Obama's take on America is that it needs to be repaired, not rebuilt from the ground up.  If you're me, you kind of suspect that the car is totaled and that any cosmetic work you do to the bent frame is not going to last.  He doesn't see it that way.

    Reasonable people can disagree.

    I do think that he's doing more good than harm.  There are a few things I disagreed with him about that I still disagree with him about.  They mostly have to do with health care and homeland security.  On health care, I'll concede that my desires might have been impractical.  On homeland security, I think a lighter touch is now in order, but I understand why no president will take the risk.

    Now, here are some things I've decided I was wrong about over the course of Obama's first term:

    I didn't support the auto bailouts because to me, an auto company CEO is no better than a Wall Street CEO.  But, looking back I realize that Obama's administration designed the auto bailouts while the Wall Street bailouts were initiated by Bush.  Had Obama's auto solution been applied to Wall Street, fewer bank executives would have kept their cushy jobs.  Though I still think it's a travesty that GM's former CEO got his golden parachute on the way out, the auto bailouts did preserve jobs, as promised and the executives were not so unjustly enriched as I feared (most of them were booted).

    Libya.  Never thought I'd say that, but my Iraq/Afghanistan war aversion got the best of me.  Obama built a coalition and executed very well.  In the end, it served justice.  I'll be more humble in my critiques of his decisions in Syria, for sure.

    Joe Biden.  I didn't like him at first.  He's won me over.

    Drone operations.  I'd put this as "in progress."  I am coming around to the idea that they beat the alternatives for a lot of obvious reasons.

    Those are all pretty big things.  And, of course, there's a lot that I think that Obama has done right (killing bin Laden, cutting the payroll tax, making a go of green energy research...)

    He's a smart guy, but he's going to have to compromise with some hard headed people on the other side if he gets his second term.  I notice that he has so far resisted calls from centrist commentators to make something like Simpson-Bowles the centerpiece of his re-election campaign.  I take that as a positive sign.  No matter who wins the election I suspect it will be on all of us to immediately raise awareness about the long-term flaws of that plan and why it must be stopped.

    Maybe Obama will even have our backs on that.

     

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    I've always thought that a second term President Obama, while keeping basic traits and standards in place, will present a much more progressive and 'forceful' persona.

    He's had the up close and personal experiences of the trials endured in attempting to forge a bi-partisan, 'can't we all just get along' arena, as well as living the reality of being the POTUS with all the bells and whistles.  Thus, in his second term, IMO, without another election looming - while we may be in for a bumpy ride, his command will no doubt be somewhat different, but no doubt stronger and more confidant than his 'maiden journey'.


    Here's hoping!  Though I think you're right to assume that lessons were learned and that four years in that occupation does change a person.


    I rise to object. Perhaps coming from the opposite original orientation (favoring Obama over Hillary), and thus disappointed more than you are reassured by the four years Re:Libya in particular one word:Mali. Well three more :War Powers Act.

    I respect your objection and stipulate that I've been hitting the Hitchens pretty hard lately.


    Well, he managed the Libyan war well, but the first Bush managed Desert Storm well. They were both immoral wars.

    I liked him before he slashed assistance to the poor, signed the bill authorizing detention without trial, went to war in Libya, and failed to see that it was time to get out of Afghanistan. I think the only reason I'll be voting for him is to avoid an invasion of Iran.


    General Jack D. Ripper: Mandrake, do you recall what Clemenceau once said about war?

    Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: No, I don't think I do, sir, no.

    General Jack D. Ripper: He said war was too important to be left to the generals


    MEIN Fuhrer 

     

                          I CAN WALK !!!

     

     

     


    Let's not lose any precious bodily fluids just yet..

    *hugs*


    I don't think the economy is improving. There's a good chance this stagnation will sink into a repression or even a depression. So stop worrying? I think not.

    It's not Obama's fault. He didn't cause the harm. Some of that harm might even come from outside this country, a collapse of the European Union. I do agree that he's doing more good than harm. But that's not what I see as the important question. We're in a situation where we need more than a president that just does more good than harm. The question is, is he doing enough good to stop the harm from increasing? I think not.

    Obama is just what I thought he would be. It seems he defines compromise as: Cease to resist an opponent or an unwelcome demand; surrender. Synonyms:surrender - give in - yield - submit - succumb

     
    I'm not fooled by the election year change. I didn't trust him 4 years ago.  With 4 years of experience I don't trust him now. He'll put that fighting spirit away and turn back to business as usual after the election. If he wins in this terrible economy.
     
    Oh I'll vote for Obama. Romney's plans will do more harm than good. But love the Obama? I think not.

    He's caused some of it.  The situation was salvageable, but No Drama Obama lacks the fortitude to lead or act outside the parameters of what is conventional and expected by the people who run our society.


    While I agree with you that he didn't seem to understand what was happening and what was necessary to fix it, it's perhaps worth pointing out that this disease has afflicted much of the developed world at this point.  We all had the opportunity to learn from the Japanese experience, but the US, UK and EU are all stubbing their toes on the same obvious rock.


    Yes, we're living through a Chamberlain-like generation of mediocrity and passive corruption.  The West is dormant and decadent, and is gradually handing its democracies over to unaccountable corporate power, with the connivance of its bought and compromised political leaders.  Obama is an intellectual casualty of the post-Cold War interregnum, an era of small dreams, fat bellies, flickering democratic commitment, and weak spirit.  But my guess is that history is going to start getting exciting again.


    Here Here ! Well said old man.


    That some still believe it was immoral for the US, France, Britain, NATO, with approval of the UN Security Council, to assist the people of Libya in the overthrow of the unquestionably despotic, insane Colonel Moammar Qaddafi, accomplished in a matter of months and with no foreign occupation, makes one wonder if they would ever believe the UN, NATO and the US can act to assist a people in gaining freedom.   

    It seems hypocritical that those on the left and the right who would've let the Libyans twist in the wind, who criticized the action in freeing Libya of it's oppressive regime, who objected that Obama didn't wait after UN approval and with Qaddafi shelling Benghazi, for the do-nothing GOP Congress to develop a resolution and vote under the War Powers Act, or that Obama hasn't 'got out' of Afghanistan fast enough, are often the same ones who complain loudest about protection of their own freedoms. Such as detention without trial issues, gun rights, privacy rights or asserting Americans roaming the deserts of Yemen have some special immunity from being dealt with like other members of their terrorist organization.


    although not cited by name, I'll step up. 1. Q's big offense had less to do with despotism than an uncooperative attitude on re:oil sales on favorable terms to western companies. 2. I applaud the steps toward world govt represented by the initial Libyan action. I deplore the disingenous position that if our soldiers don't receive fire, it ain't an episode requiring. compliance with the War Powers Act. 3. As with our excellent muje adventure, we have scattered arms around North Africa with unpredictable consequences

     "I deplore the disingenuous position that if our soldiers don't receive fire, it ain't an episode requiring. compliance with the War Powers Act. " 

    Republicans, and far too many Americans, also don't seem to care 'if our soldiers....receive fire' ,with or without action by Congress, they also don't care about the body count of US war dead, or the number of wounded US troops.  As long as they aren't one of them. Obama has shown he does care.  So do I.


    Qaddafi wasn't insane. And the freedom loving citizens of Benghazi once held Bulgarian nurses for 3-4 years for a multimillion dollar payoff, claiming they were infecting people with AIDS on purpose (Qaddafi's son bribed their way out of that international embarrassment) And where's the new domocracy? What about the massacred blacks? Was it only about oil? Now we're following the plan in Syria, CIA training rebels and giving them shoulder launched missiles - hope they dont get bored later and use these on EU planes. It all sounds simple. Drones and covert aid. Almost like the 50's and 70's all over again. Get your war on. The beauty of the Arab spring was it was self-initiating, self-sustaining. But we pushed our continuity guy in Egypt, helped Bahrain shut theirs down, and turned the model into "you rebel, we bring the guns & spooks". I liked our Orange Revolution, Solidarnosc days better.

    I would suspect the 'citizens of Benghazi' care more about their freedom than you do, as many died fighting for it.

    No argument on your assertion 'Qaddafi wasn't insane', I will grant you your personal conviction in the soundness of his mental health.


    Very few citizens of Benghazi fought, for a city of 1 million. Even as we provided total air cover and secret service trainers (US/UK)

    Obama has convinced me that American mainstream politics is a fairly hopeless affair in this era.  I honestly can't think of a single American politician right now that that I respect or that I think has a clue.  I'll probably vote, but I'm not going to waste a great deal of time debating the inanities and calculated emptiness of this campaign.

    I don't think the insane corruption and amazing bipartisan conservatism of these end-of-history doldrums can last forever.  Eventually we're going to get a genuine movement for revolutionary change and dynamic national revival.  Obama and Romney are just zombies in the wasteland.

     


    I really sympathize with you, Dan.  Both of use share the belief that the current system cannot hold.  Obama is part of that system.  He spent his life joining it and has been rewarded.  He doesn't want to upend it, Romney sure doesn't want to upend it and I can't imagine that anybody who has achieved the status and benefits of national office would ever risk major reforms in pursuit of something better for the broader population.  Heck, the only system that would be an improvement would flat out distribute power, prestige and wealth away from the elites and towards everyone else.  And we're asking the elites to do that?

    What I think is that Obama will steer the sorry ship over fewer innocent victims that Romney will.  And he might spruce it up a bit, while Romney will make the worst parts worse.


    Maybe destor.  But with our civilization crumbling around us, I'm in no mood to tick through a check list to measure which of the overlords is least egregious.  Based on one's values, that judgment is an easy call.  It's not worth a lot of talk.

    I can't imagine that anybody who has achieved the status and benefits of national office would ever risk major reforms in pursuit of something better for the broader population.

    I think Roosevelt did.  But even if you are right, that just shows that the real theater of social change and progress is not the arena of mainstream party politics.  If the national parties and power structures are institutionally incapable of addressing the most important challenges, then it is time to focus our limited energies elsewhere.


    Art.

    Not kidding.


    Finally! I've got a voodoo doll in the form of the boa wearing destor23 in the ObamabotMat I created and I've been performing voodoo heebie jeebies, in order to finally balance your chi, thus convincing you to come to the side of light. This can also work when playing pool.  Damn, thanks for telling me it finally worked.

    Really though, nice.


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