The Bishop and the Butterfly: Murder, Politics, and the End of the Jazz Age

    Any recent racism in the U.S.

    By artappraiser on Tue, 05/28/2019 - 7:05pm |

    definitely isn't because of lack of news coverage; check out what Zach Goldberg found out on this thread:

    1/n Spent some time on LexisNexis over the weekend. Depending on your political orientation, what follows will either disturb or encourage you. But regardless of political orientation, I'm sure we can all say 'holy fucking shit'

    — Zach Goldberg (@ZachG932) May 28, 2019

    Comments

    Articles mentioning race/racism increased. We have a numerator. We don’t know whether the total number of articles published in those years increased due to the internet and social media. We do not have a denominator to put the article totals in perspective. Right now, I’m not saying “holy fucking shit”. Perhaps someone will give follow to give us a complete picture.

    Edit to add:

    Race impacts the following

    Access to health care

    The quality of health care you receive 

    Funding for education 

    The quality of education you receive 

    Where you can live

    Access to the ballot box

    Risk of police abuse

    How you are treated by the legal system 

    Likelihood of being located close to a source of poll

    .....and a host of other things

    As Henry Louis Gates says, black still keep fighting and will never quit fighting 

    For some reason, mentioning race actually offends you.

     


    by rmrd0000 on Wed, 05/29/2019 - 9:43am

    For some reason, mentioning race actually offends you.

    Where was that implied? You are the one trying to offend, right here, with that, making a straw man to accuse.

    I didn't say anything like that. And he said Depending on your political orientation, what follows will either disturb or encourage you.


    by artappraiser on Wed, 05/29/2019 - 11:53am

    You view the site you linked to as unbiased?


    by rmrd0000 on Wed, 05/29/2019 - 12:20pm

    For crying out loud, he's just a nerd on Twitter tabulating how many times certain words have been in Lexis Nexis news stories and how usage has greatly increased. It's an interesting trend in the news that's all.


    by artappraiser on Wed, 05/29/2019 - 12:47pm

    AA, you frequently use the term pity olympics.

    Now, you provide a link to a wingnut who supplies useless factoids. 


    by rmrd0000 on Wed, 05/29/2019 - 12:55pm

    "Wingnuts" typically don't quote statistics properly. Which graphs/statistics did you disagree with? (Not the interpretation - the underlying data)


    by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 05/29/2019 - 1:22pm

    Wingnut take statistics out of context all of the time. We are given a factoid without context. We need to know whether the “explosion “ of word references occurred when the total number of articles increased. This would give an idea whether the percentage changed. I’ll bet “climate change “ surged because the wording changed from global warming.

    The guy is a wingnut. Simply look at his references to “libs”.

    Edit to add:

    Here is a link to an article with Trump taking crime statistics on immigrants out of context

    Trump then apparently referred to a 2011 Government Accountability Office report and ticked off some statistics.

    “According to a 2011 government report, the arrests attached to the criminal alien population included an estimated 25,000 people for homicide. 42,000 for robbery. Nearly 70,000 for sex offenses and nearly 15,000 for kidnapping,” he said.

    But citing that report, to which he referred to on the campaign trail too, is “misleading and lacks context,” the Washington Post’s fact-check team reported in November 2016.

    The 2011 report collected data from 2003 and 2009 to come up with those figures and used information specifically from five states with the highest populations of inmates who were in the country illegally.

    There were 25,064 homicides among that population over six years, but that represents only about one percent of the nearly three million arrests that occurred in the study population. About half of the arrests, overall, were related to immigration, drugs, and traffic violations.

    The other offenses and numbers he cites are also correct but again lack context. Robberies and kidnapping both represent one percent of total arrests, and sex offenses represent two percent

    Other studies also show that undocumented immigrants are no more likely to commit serious crimes than native-born Americans. One study from the libertarian Cato Institute showed that criminal convictions and arrest rates for illegal immigrants in Texas were lower than those for native-born Americans.

    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-cites-context-statistics-honoring-angel-families-children/story?id=56091326


    by rmrd0000 on Wed, 05/29/2019 - 2:31pm

    Oh God help me, I don't need an example of Trump misusing stats, thank you, I asked which of this guy's. And in a number he's referring only to NYTimes-published articles, which wouldn't have changed that much in volume, so for those we can say the denominators are roughly equal while numerators have vastly increased.


    by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 05/29/2019 - 4:21pm

    And god help me: he doesn't like being called on seeming to love being in the greatest victim role, but tell him that there's been a lot more coverage of race problems using the politically correct terminology, and instead of saying: great, finally there is some progress! activism caused this!,  he complains: it must be lies. Never willing to give up the victim brand, rarely willing to acknowledge any teeny bit of progress. The only positivity and empowerment message I can remember is when he crowed about the increased turnout of black women helping in the 2018 elections. Otherwise, it's always woe is us and anyone who is not black has suspect motives and is trying to hide their racism.  Paranoia to the max about me, that's for sure, that's all I feel. The mystery is why are we the targets of this jihad? Why not go and harangue and preach at a site where actual racists hang out.

    FWIW, my interest here is totally different than rmrd's paranoic suspicions. It is simply: 1) I am interested in political correctness big picture, including its affects on how culture changes or not, like how certain political correctness causes counter-productive blowback, while other kinds cause earthquake-like rapid change. 2) I have always been attracted to marketing theory in general, including how people are manipulated to "buy" things.

    What is causing this is a very very interesting question. Could Trump as president actually be a catalyst that is helping? At this point, I suspect he may be as far as millennial culture is concerned....


    by artappraiser on Wed, 05/29/2019 - 5:27pm

    Any idea whether Zach has been able to generalize on the trend in  "trends." 

     For example  is there a discernable pattern to how the coverage grows  from  the first appearance of heightened interest  in say sexual exploitation to  how long it takes to become widespread ,peak and decline. To what extent is that spontaneous vs cultivated. And which of those two types , is more apt to  attains permanence.

     Zach's thesis advisor might try to nudge him in that direction. 


    by Flavius on Fri, 05/31/2019 - 7:26pm

    Or more possibly Zach would have no interest in any suggestions from me or others.  On the grounds of You Can't teach your grandmother to suck eggs. Or that it's not his department,  if you  take my meaning. , 


    by Flavius on Sat, 06/01/2019 - 12:51pm

    I was about to make the same comment. Then I thought why waste the time. People here have been very clear why some of us have a problem with rmrd's posts. He can't possibly be unaware but still he ignores everything we said to post this strawman argument.


    by ocean-kat on Wed, 05/29/2019 - 12:57pm

    White Power in India

    https://edition.cnn.com/style/article/miss-india-fairness-intl/index.html


    by PeraclesPlease on Fri, 05/31/2019 - 11:41am

    That they have the same exact hairstyle is hilarious, so much so that it makes it hard for me to take any other issues seriously. That actually trumps everything else, their pageant culture is obviously very shallowly obsessed with a classic Bollywood beauty stereotype that is a version of a Stepford Wife, like ours was with a Barbie doll thing until recently. But beyond that: it is over their head that they are reinforcing top caste ideals (Just google Brahmin beauties.) Comes to mind it is as if all the contestants in U.S. contests were southern belles. Not even a mix like "Wisconsin farm girl" and "sophisticated New Yorker" and "free spirited Miss California"....


    by artappraiser on Fri, 05/31/2019 - 4:13pm

    "Aw come on now,

    You must now know about my debutante"

    "Well your debutante knows what you need.

    But I know what you want"

    Oh Mama, can this really be the end

    To be stuck inside of Bhopal

    With the Madras Blues again...

    - Brahmin Dylan


    by PeraclesPlease on Fri, 05/31/2019 - 5:13pm

    on topic and on Zach Goldberg:

    I now tweet everything about a week after everyone else but this Zach Goldberg explains in details the Great Awokening https://t.co/CcQ3auWCVz TLDR: The upper-middle class have collectively lost their minds

    — Ed West (@edwest) June 8, 2019

    I'm not a psychologist obviously but I wonder to what extent the Great Awokening is a combination of both compassion and narcissism (which is far higher among the highest socio-economic class) pic.twitter.com/hCjmboEn3z

    — Ed West (@edwest) June 8, 2019

    I'd strongly recommend holidays from social media not for a 'mental health break' but just to get a perspective on how extreme and odd many of the most popular (rt'd) opinions on it are. also how abnormal, unhealthy and unpleasant the political debate is

    — Ed West (@edwest) June 8, 2019

    this ties up with a very strong argument made by Haidt/Lukianoff that a lot of radical politics is anti-CBT - it encourages catastrophising, negative filtering, mind reading. Politics working like health anxiety, and more damaging than the perceived illness pic.twitter.com/kXZ23aflKf

    — Ed West (@edwest) June 8, 2019

    This is the core observation to be made about the Therapy-Cult Left. Clinical sufferers of anxiety—whose identity is appropriated with the most brazen hypocrisy by the loudest performers of Wokeness—understand it immediately. https://t.co/IyJJvZzLHs

    — John-Paul Pagano (@johnpaulpagano) June 8, 2019

    by artappraiser on Sat, 06/08/2019 - 3:22pm

    Zach's had an OCD attack again:


    by artappraiser on Fri, 06/14/2019 - 9:09pm

    There are what, 10-15 million Jews in the world total? US might be 2% as a guess without doing a calculation. 

    Hispanic looks to be the most reasonable guess (or perhaps closer to predicted 2030 numbers, though of course for particular states, not country as a whole). Figures for Muslims and gays are way out of whack. Soon we'll be building rainbow walls I assume...


    by PeraclesPlease on Sat, 06/15/2019 - 3:32am

    I think it's funny that Hispanics themselves are the main ones that seem to think they are taking over the country. Wile everyone else is basically seeing the "other" as taking over and they themselves as a minority....  laugh


    by artappraiser on Sat, 06/15/2019 - 5:17pm