MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE
by Michael Wolraich
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WTF? is an uncharacteristically shrill post by Josh over at TPM.
WTF, indeed.
If Huckabee communicating in the traditional idioms and current themes from his culture is crypto-evangelical code, is Yiddish cryto-Judaic code? Meshuge.
And enough already with the deliberately derogatory dog-whistle analogy. How would you feel if the expression "next year in Jerusalem" was described as a dog whistle for Zionists? It was, wasn't it, even if it is so much more as well.
So you don't like Huckabee. Neither do I. I just think it would be more useful to find oppositional arguments in the idioms of his own culture rather than generally insulting it. Jesus' anti-Pharasaic teachings come to mind, i.e. public versus private piety.
Comments
Hah! Oy vey! Never underestimate paranoia about "the other."
I agree with you that its uncharacteristically tribal for him to give so much space to such thoughts in the second half of the post. It ventures close to a flip side of a post on a site about UN black helicopters.
Clue: Huckabee IS an evangelical Christian, which means: he talks like one. Probably has used this scary "secret" code his entire life, like when he talks.
The secret handshakes, now those are Mitt Romney. There's something to be afeared about. :-)
And while we are on it, are any candidates a member of Skull and Bones this time?
by artappraiser (not verified) on Sat, 01/05/2008 - 3:48pm
Thanks for flagging this - I didn't think much about the implications when I read Josh's post. At the same time, I think he's right to wonder what the hell all this talk about 'vertical' means. Myself, I would have taken it to be some form of motivational corporate-speak that I was unfamiliar with. You know, a dog whistle for the Wall Street Journal set.
In any case, they are not listening.
by Devon (not verified) on Sat, 01/05/2008 - 3:55pm
And while we are on it, are any candidates a member of Skull and Bones this time?
Well, I'm pretty sure they are all Freemasons. Or Knights Templar, whatever.
by Devon (not verified) on Sat, 01/05/2008 - 4:00pm
p.s. I need to add: great catch, Emma. I hope all those who are thinking this way see your post, and moreso, are not too dense to understand the parallels you are drawing.
by artappraiser (not verified) on Sat, 01/05/2008 - 4:01pm
Emma, the shrill part was the implication with the word Josh used in describing evangelicals when he speculated that Huckabee's words were a "dog whistle."
Was he calling those fellow Americans "dogs"?
If I were an evangelical Christian, that sort of talk would make me conclude that Josh was my enemy. Those equated with dogs in this country aren't unaware that they're regularly put to sleep.
by Mike7Woodson (not verified) on Sat, 01/05/2008 - 4:09pm
I can see why you take offense, and fair enough. But maybe the point isn't to demonize one group so much as to describe a tactic that is used more generally. One unavoidable fact about modern presidential campaigns is that candidates are always trying to make subtle winks to constituent groups that tacitly say "I'm one of you." I feel I've been on the receiving end of some of those, and I respond to it as much as any evangelical might respond to 'vertical' (if that was the point). 'Dog whistle' - which has popped up in a few context lately - is a useful if snide analogy that describes this kind of subtext campaigning.
And honestly, anyone who has ever had a dog and worked in retail can tell you that we are all dogs.
by Devon (not verified) on Sat, 01/05/2008 - 4:21pm
Still, I wonder. "Vertical"? If he wanted to say "upright" he could have. Presumably any candidate is non-comatose (I except Thompson); maybe there's a Viagra angle?
by Tom Wright (not verified) on Sat, 01/05/2008 - 4:26pm
Thanks. Josh's post seems to have inspired quite a few others around the blogosphere who are better bloggers than me. Here's Mark Kleiman to start with and you can follow his trackbacks for some others if you want.
by Emma Zahn (not verified) on Sat, 01/05/2008 - 4:28pm
Oops. I'll try again.
Mark Kleiman
by Emma Zahn (not verified) on Sat, 01/05/2008 - 4:34pm
The link isn't working. EZ.
by Devon (not verified) on Sat, 01/05/2008 - 4:45pm
I don't really know Josh well enough to know if he feels animosity toward evangelical Christians. He seems to be someone who would not call a Jewish candidate's references "code language," since that would suggest collusion and conspiracy among Jewish-Americans and probably bring a quiet phone call from the ADL asking him what he meant. I just don't think he would do that. He's done it here.
And the truth is, evangelical Christians do organize and get politically involved. They fear that Democrats are going to revise history, culture and government to sanitize it of their representation. If that happens, they likely think, then they will eventually be discriminated against or persecuted. From a Christian viewpoint, that is to be expected. Also, Christ didn't get politically involved to try to be free of persecution.
However, it is a different story when it comes to someone polluting or seducing your kids with the sort of political correctness ideologies that form up around an anti-Christian framework of thought, feeling, belief and action.
My point isn't so much the infinitesimal unimportance of the use of the term once, but how politically partisan rhetoric over time grows, changes language and morphs into a hostile environment that eventually explodes into violence. Before then, it certainly creates many joyless encounters and conversations.
by Mike7Woodson (not verified) on Sat, 01/05/2008 - 4:55pm
I'm not sure what the 'vertical' is really all about. I haven't officially congregated with evangelicals in about 40 years although most of my family still attends church regularly so I keep up with some of what is going on. I'll try to remember to ask about it next time I see my sister.
I wouldn't be at all surprised if it weren't borrowed from corporate-speak as there is a lot of crossover between Chambers of Commerce and the Board of Trustees of local churches.
by Emma Zahn (not verified) on Sat, 01/05/2008 - 4:58pm
Maybe he means being accountable to God for onseself rather than attacking one's neighbor.
Somewhere in the art of evangelical bible studies someone decided it was time to modernize the language and use terms from other discliplines to describe the "same 'ol King James English" so it would sound fresh, interesting, relevant and appeal to "modern" people.
That was a mistake.
by Mike7Woodson (not verified) on Sat, 01/05/2008 - 5:02pm
That's a good point. I wish there were more of a crossover of social morals with business and marketing i.e. how one treats one's neighbor, and truly considering all customers neighbors and not numbered consumers.
by Mike7Woodson (not verified) on Sat, 01/05/2008 - 5:07pm
He makes a good case, as you do. And I think he has the answer to the vertical riddle: "to be more concerned about going up instead of just going to the left or to the right."
It's not such a bad trope, when you think about it - a way to say the 'postpartisan' thing Obama says too, and to throw a touch of the holy in the mix.
by Devon (not verified) on Sat, 01/05/2008 - 5:15pm
I guess my point is that, while this was in a sense a dig at evangelicals, I don't think it is really specifically aimed at conservative Christian voters. I think that 'dog whistle' is a term that is emerging to describe a kind of political tactic that is used in many contexts. So no, I think that Josh didn't mean to take a swipe specifically at that group, calling them Pavlovian or whatever.
Maybe I'm wrong; in any case, I see why it bothers you.
by Devon (not verified) on Sat, 01/05/2008 - 5:20pm
I see your point about the use of the term to describe the positive intent in describing the tactic and not necessarily the ones called by it. Also, the "code" aspect and the silent-to-human ears feature of the whistle backs up your explanation better than mine.
The assumption of code-word conspiracy, or, the opposite extreme of total Mayberry trust in a politically active group's openness are both pitfalls it seems. The truth is likely somewhere in between. However, being part of the generation of political science majors who read Thomas Dye's "Who's Running America," the concentration of power and decision making authority in groups tempts one to suspect that collusion at the top "must" occur regularly. But is that conspiracy if the hidden agenda is not illegal?
Conspiracy tends to belong to crime, not mere competition. Can we say someone has a conspiracy to cooperate within their ethnic, religious or anti-religious groups in competition with others if they have common plans, common terms, agree on issues and become organized politically? Is that a conspiracy? Or is it merely an agreement? A playbook? And do we begrudge football teams their secret playbooks?
Collusion may be a better term, but still connotes deception. In war and "campaigns" deception is embraced as a tactic. However, laws govern which kinds breach law or ethics. In institutions where conflict of interests could be hidden by collusion, this could become conspiracy if outlawed at some level, or merely a breach of ethics.
Do we say so-and-so team is nasty, underhanded and false because they have a plan, strategy and playbook? Or because they believe in running, passing, kicking and scoring with the power they personally get from God (or name the power source for the group)?
Probably what really scares us about other groups becoming organized around an agenda is that if they win, our own group may suffer some kind of loss.
by Mike7Woodson (not verified) on Sat, 01/05/2008 - 5:24pm
He could say what he means, maybe?
If he wants me to understand he should avoid metaphor. If he uses an unusual phrase we will wonder why.
by Tom Wright (not verified) on Sat, 01/05/2008 - 5:43pm
Mike, the dog-whistle analogy is used most frequently to describe words and expressions that have specifc connotations for racists, particularly white southern racists. Apparently, as Devon notes, its usage is expanding to other areas as well. You are right. It is insulting, alienating and divisive -- even when accurate.
Yes, the Dixiecrats followed by Republican Party have used words and expressions that have racists connotations to some people but they are called dog whistles because they have other, more innocuous and sometimes even benign connations as well. Democrats and Progressives who content themselves with simply denouncing the 'dog whistles' give their opponents an extra boost by demoralizing people who might otherwise be their allies.
Think of it from the perspective of a white southern liberal.* The Republican Party is a little devil sitting on your shoulder whispering racist invective while the Democratic Party angel on the other shoulder belittles and berates you for the sins of others. Who do you vote for? No one.
The Republican Party is successful in getting out the racist vote and the Democratic Party suppresses its own voters. Great strategy, isn't it.
*Yes, there are white southern liberals.
by Emma Zahn (not verified) on Sat, 01/05/2008 - 5:57pm
Thanks for the post, Emma.
My understanding of the in-talk terms:
Vertical: signals relationships with God.
Horizontal: signals relationships with humankind.
Worth a think: the contrast between Puritan and Dissenter religious traditions in American political history.
by Ticia (not verified) on Sat, 01/05/2008 - 6:12pm
Haven't you ever seen posts on this site that say "stop with the Yiddish terms, guys, I don't understand it."
But to take not being able to understand the language of another "tribe" immediately to the level of "it must a super-secret 'crypto' message to insiders" is a whole 'nother attitude. Might as well suggest they wear yellow stars so you can pick these dangerous sorts out and they don't keep whispering to each other.
This whole thing did really present to me as a bunch of East Cosst cosmopolitans afraid of those wierdos out there in crossover. That's why I found it humorous as well. Someone that is politically savvy about the whole country shouldn't be so clueless to jump on it being some kind of conspiracy right away.
by artappraiser (not verified) on Sat, 01/05/2008 - 6:18pm
One of those odd coincidences just happened.
(god speaking??? :-))
I went to the old newspaper pile to get the phone number for the Wall Street Journal because it wasn't delivered today. I often never get around to looking at it, the S.O. reads it.
Well on the page I opened first, from Dec. 31, was
"The Spirit Behind Huckabee's Advertising Campaign" by Laura Meckler.
The gist/slant is typical WSJ: here's how one guy who hasn't a lot of money is doing it, for the media biz, in the vein of "what might he doing that's a good idea". It says he Huckabee hadn't much to spend on advertising and consultants, and gives comparative figures, and that his ad man is Bob Wickers, working on his first presidential campaign, and implies that because of that they are doing real "outside the usual box."
It says his aides say they haven't been able to afford ANY polling or focus groups, NONE. The reporter explains how Wickers has thought it best that you just let Huckabee be himself and suggests that this is the reason for the freshness about the ads, it mentions the laid back, humorous side.
And I would suggest that that is the reason for anything someone from a New York Cosmopolitan tribe might find "crypto." Now that he will get more money and has people like Ed Rollins on the job, you may soon more fully understand what Huckabee says, he will get better at the translation into "anchorperson American." :-)
There are a few intriguing paragraphs I will transcribe:
Now, that end thing about the cross in the bookshelves is really just zany conspiracy thinking going wild. Why the heck should it matter whether a cross is there or not when he is straight out telling you a Christian Christmas message, not hiding anything about it?
By the way, there were a lot of good jokes about Chuck Norris on Yglesias's blog the last couple days. Started with a discussion of who had what foreign policy advisors, and then someone mentioned, "but Huckabee has Chuck Norris!"
by artappraiser (not verified) on Sat, 01/05/2008 - 6:21pm
This whole thing is personally ironic to me, as when I first came to New York and was living in the middle of Manhattan and never leaving it, an old friend from the Midwest (an ex-hippie, professor of jewelry making in a university art department, and "picker" of antiques and collectibles) used to say to my angst-filled complaints about the new job, life, etc.:
"You've gotten too into closed thinking because of the vertical landscape of Manhattan. You have to get out more into some horizontal space again."
To him, urban cosmopolitans were the ones with the "vertical" thinking, precisely because of the architecture and dense population. He was thinking vertical = Woody Allen neurotic, afraid of the sounds in the countryside at night.
:-)
by artappraiser (not verified) on Sat, 01/05/2008 - 6:51pm
Are you sure it isn't a very subtle Bill Clinton reference? I mean, "horizontal president" sounds like a euphemism if I've ever heard one.
by Mister Foo (not verified) on Sat, 01/05/2008 - 8:11pm
Would you provide a summary? Reagan's "City on the Hill" was Puritan, I understand. (Or was it the Pilgrims?)
Stretching the metaphor, could the vertical man also have relationships with the Earth?
Ringo Starr had a solo album called Vertical Man. He might have meant staying sober; I don't remember him as churchgoing.
by Tom Wright (not verified) on Sat, 01/05/2008 - 8:32pm
I like it when someone explains something to me I didn't know while following the secret rules of Professor Strunk. Thanks for taking the time, Emma.
by Mike7Woodson (not verified) on Sat, 01/05/2008 - 8:53pm
You will wonder why in what sense? The vertical, the horizontal, or the beveled? (o;
by Mike7Woodson (not verified) on Sat, 01/05/2008 - 8:55pm
I can understand why JMM would be non-plused by the vertical. I read WTF as a pungent version of Were not in Kansas anymore, Dorothy. Forget Nexus/Lexus. It required an exercise in philology using biblical exegesis and transcripts of sermons to develop a plausible interpretation of Huckabees marquee statement. Remember this guy just won a significant political victory on a national stage. It is no time and no place to engage in a private conversation. Unless
And lets not be coy. Im sure that the Republican establishment views Huckabees entire campaign as a concerto for dog whistle and orchestra. By all accounts he doesnt plan to compete in New Hampshire. Other than the beard Ed Rollins, he doesnt have much of a national organization. So how does he plan to succeed, unless
Unless what? Unless Huckabee is running for the place vacated by Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson, not the Presidency. This is my guess. I said this elsewhere. I think that Huckabee really doesnt want to be President. Id be willing to bet he has already written his concession statement, full of references to John the Baptist laboring in the desert.
And if you think your thesaurus failed you here, wait until we get to the South Carolina campaign. There will be so much code language in that one that we may not be able to understand anything any of the Republicans are saying.
So I think JMMs instincts served him well. I admit that my rational is bizarre. Only time will tell.
by Larry H (not verified) on Sat, 01/05/2008 - 9:06pm
I remember an artist, I think it was They Might Be Giants, sing about "particle man" and "triangle man," and "they had a fight," "Triangle wins," "Triangle man, Triangle man." I just sat there laughing. Same response to Frank Zappa's "Dangerous Kitchen."
by Mike7Woodson (not verified) on Sat, 01/05/2008 - 9:43pm
Huckabee's no Falwell.
I think ArtAppraiser's WSJ review up above explains a lot. Check it out.
by Mike7Woodson (not verified) on Sat, 01/05/2008 - 9:49pm
Whether calculating or not, there is a certain genius at work. If Huckabee did not notice the background in his shot perhaps his unconscious was at work, but I doubt that. Any semi-pro photog notices the backgrounds and framing; they separate amateur from pro.
Next, the questions about the unacknowledged symbolism ensured free coverage.
A similar thing occurred with the attack-ad-that-didn't. He got to talk about it ("I'm not going to mention how many times my opponent has taken bribes") and get more free coverage, while also dodging responsibility for lowering the tone.
It's a rare person that succeeds without being good at what they do. No luck here, just native or learned skill.
by Tom Wright (not verified) on Sat, 01/05/2008 - 10:03pm
Funny.
Your comment reminded me of a Star Trek: TNG episode so I looked it up. It is an encounter with with a new race of people who speak almost entirely in metaphor and can't make themselves understood through the Enterprise's universal language translator. Here's the Wikipedia synopsis: Darmok
I know you like science. Do you like sci-fi? I know a lot of poeple don't but I think of Star Trek as a sort of Aesop's fables for boomers. Lots of little morality plays wrapped up in adventure stories.
by Emma Zahn (not verified) on Sat, 01/05/2008 - 10:59pm
Ah, deep down I always knew that Elements of Style was a coded message to his alcolytes - given the signal, they will all slowly edit us all out of existence.
by Devon (not verified) on Sat, 01/05/2008 - 11:11pm
I get a different mental image of Huckabee, and a quick search on YouTube shows that I am not alone.
Now my quick read of Huckabee's use of 'vertical'. I did not sense any overt tones of religiosity, and you should be well-aware that I tend to be extremely attuned to this. My sense is that Huckabee is attempting to distance himself from the present-day manifestation of evil that is the Republican Party. It's a weasel, because he IS A REPUBLICAN, and his Party has equivocated on the Rights of Humans; has looked the other way with a wink and a nod, as a Republican President authorized human torture.
The GOP has yet to feel the necessary pain to purge themselves of their inherent evil. This fact was clearly made evident on September 19, 2007, in:
It was an attempt to end debate on the Specter Amendment, and bring it to the floor for an up or down vote. Remember the Republican belly-aching about how the Democrats would not allow a scant few of Bush's judiciary nominees to come up for "An Up or Down vote"? The Democrats were using the same Senate cloture rules, which require 60 votes to pass, as their method. All 49 Democratic Senators, The Independent Sanders, and 6 Republicans voted for cloture: Hagel, Lugar, Smith, Snowe, Specter, and Sununu. The roll call vote total was: 56 - 43 - 1, four votes short of cloture.
Only 6 Republican Senators had the temerity to stand and call for a vote to support A Natural Human Right on September 19, 2007. I don't blame Huckabee for wanting to distance himself from this and other obscene positions that his party has supported during the Bush Administration, but I'm not going to let him squirm away. He's got to dance with the pig that brung him to the dance, and that pig is clearly The GOP. Huckabee's party affiliation is an albatross' decaying corpse strung around his neck, and without publicly renouncing his association to his Party's inherent evil, he cannot remove it. Damn right I'm grim. I am walkabout, and far too many threads of potential snake out from the present-day terminus into a future where the Dreamtime America has been destroyed. There will be no bargaining, no quarter given. The GOP can publicly submit, recant and apologise, or they can remain a mortal enemy. There is no 'vertical' path, and Huckabee is no weasel on wing anyway, he cannot escape, he must choose.
by PseudoCyAnts (not verified) on Sun, 01/06/2008 - 3:34am
Iowa, where the polls fell.
by hcberkowitz (not verified) on Sun, 01/06/2008 - 4:09am
I always liked Zappa's "Cosmik Debris" (from the same NYC concert-guitar solo in middle).
by PseudoCyAnts (not verified) on Sun, 01/06/2008 - 4:34am
by PseudoCyAnts (not verified) on Sun, 01/06/2008 - 4:51am
Now, that end thing about the cross in the bookshelves is really just zany conspiracy thinking going wild.
Anyone who knows anyone in the advertising business knows there is nothing conspiratorial or even serendipitous about the way ads are made, or the final product.
Everything is intentional.
by cscs (not verified) on Sun, 01/06/2008 - 10:39am
I'm surprised people here don't know the term "dog whistle politics." Check out the wikipedia entry on it...
"Thank God George Bush is our president." -Rudy Giuliani
by cscs (not verified) on Sun, 01/06/2008 - 10:40am
"The price of meat has just gone up and your old lady has just gone down."
Overnight Sensation was Frank's highest achievement in the "Silliness as High Art" category.
Can I interest you in a pair of zircon-encrusted tweezers?
by Tom Wright (not verified) on Sun, 01/06/2008 - 11:50am
You have to get out more into some horizontal space again.
When I first moved here (from Portland, but I had been living in an old rural Japanese town), I thought of it in terms of circles versus 90 degree angles. I found the tall, square buildings and square blocks confining, and longed for a space where I might be more aware of the 360-degree nature of space.
by Devon (not verified) on Sun, 01/06/2008 - 6:21pm
That's a very interesting take on the reaction, seems to me you have some Oriental perspective in you. (I recall you have said you spent time in Japan, however, there is always some of that infused in northwestern american culture just because of the environment, it's more "360 degrees" because of mountains and rain, not the wide flat horizontals of the frontier west.)
There has actually been acres of words written on this whole thing in architectural history/criticism and urban planning fields, of course. Thinking on it more, there is equivalence with the Huckabee thing in the classic early modernist take of skyscrapers, of course: secular cathedrals reaching to the sky, man reaching to "god," showing how he is capable of incredible creations, "can do," can execute flights of imagination, Icarus wins in the end. The first problem that enters in that picture is that's meritocratic and elitist, the people without the "stuff" to think of such things and build them and those without the "stuff" to get up to the top of them, are at the bottom in the gulleys where there is no light or air or are the ants in the ant farm of the lower floors of tall apartment buildings....yadda, yadda, yadda...
it is actually a very interesting topic to get into because it involves so many fields including psychology, different ethnic cultures, small ecological footprint of urban density vs. "buy local, grow your own food" to save transport, and even national security (9/11) etc.
In the 90's I had a German client from Munich who really refreshed my old architectural history studies in my mind because he was like a rabid fan of Manhattan. He had been coming over since the 1950's to do business but you would still always see him oogle at all the skycrapers, and wax poetic about them, he loved them. But then he was also someone who was very in love with American style capitalism and individualism, and it wasn't a crass sort of love, because he had very strong aethetic sensibilities, which included appreciation of worker craftsmanship (brother was a well-known maker of violins,) he would like gravitate immediately in a room of antiques to things like fine American duck decoys that he knew nothing about. I think his pro-Manhattan-culture was possibly a rejection of all things "old Europe," as he saw the end of WWII from the inside out in German as a young teen. Perhaps it was something like the appeal of the opposite of bourgeois content with comfort.
It took me about 1 year to fall out of love with skyscraper culture which I did have in my youth, as a tourist to places with skyscrapers. Well, I shouldn't say that exactly, because I still like Chicago. The crucial difference between Chicago and Manhattan is that because of the Chicago fire, they were able to require the building of tall buildings with set back from the street and wide spaces around each so that light can get in in the winter and air can get in all times.
I do think that there is something to the Woody Allen thesis, I think open air and space is responsible of some of what we call a "common sense" perspective. However, there is one problem with that I cannot answer: how then do you explain Texas culture? :-:
by artappraiser (not verified) on Sun, 01/06/2008 - 8:28pm
Dog whistle political tactics are nothing compared to a poisoned pre-election candidate selection system in the hands of the partisan joiners who have presided together over the decline that every post on this website has been decrying since its inception.
by Mike7Woodson (not verified) on Sun, 01/06/2008 - 9:15pm
For whom do the polls tell?
by Mike7Woodson (not verified) on Sun, 01/06/2008 - 9:36pm
He's a street fighter.
by Mike7Woodson (not verified) on Sun, 01/06/2008 - 9:38pm
Pseudo, you should write a primary blog explaining how the campaign process undertaken these days is best described by the lyrics to "Dangerous Kitchen." Maybe it's not the heat in the kitchen we can't stand afterall, eh?
Oh, and how the average voter is Person Man. Too busy and harried to spend a week getting disillusioned at his party's convention because she'd have been whipsawed by those paid masters of Robert's Rules.
Person man, person man.
by Mike7Woodson (not verified) on Sun, 01/06/2008 - 9:53pm
On Friday, I set a date to meet my old boss for lunch at the 14 Wall Street Restaurant (it was the Imp of the Perverse that made me do it: she heads an avowedly anti-capitalist organization, and the restaurant was set up in the old penthouse private apartments of JP Morgan). Sadly, it has closed since I last worked down near Wall Street, ten years ago, for a historical tourism outfit.
Back in those days, I once had lunch one day at 14 Wall with a history grad student who did work for us. We sat a a table looking out a window at another building nearby with ornate bas reliefs at, for us, eye level. He remarked that all the best architectural details on Manhattan skyscrapers are all at the top, because it's form of private discussion (or one-upsmanship) between the very rich tycoons who built the buildings, and took the top floors for themselves.
by Devon (not verified) on Sun, 01/06/2008 - 11:41pm
No man is an Islande, entire of himself.
I have, however, met many isthmuses and quite a few peninsulas.
--
Howard
*equal opportunity offense to both extremes*
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it" [George Santayana]
by hcberkowitz (not verified) on Mon, 01/07/2008 - 12:08am
I haven't officially congregated with evangelicals in about 40 years although most of my family still attends church regularly so I keep up with some of what is going on.
As such, I wonder if you have any thoughts on the plan I rashly proposed, described in this post, with no idea whatever how to go about it.
by Devon (not verified) on Mon, 01/07/2008 - 1:01am
Aye.
by Mike7Woodson (not verified) on Mon, 01/07/2008 - 1:40am
This episode has a special meaning for my spouse and I, but we didn't know its title, so I wnat to extend a personal thank you for the link. :-)
But then, lol, I click on the link to the first writer, Joe Menosky, and I find he is into creating secret "Star Trek in club" messages:
Watch out for the dangerous numerology of those Pomona College alums!
by artappraiser (not verified) on Mon, 01/07/2008 - 2:04am
I saw your post earlier and have been thinking about it. I will try to post something tomorrow if the headache I have now goes away so I can think straight.
by Emma Zahn (not verified) on Mon, 01/07/2008 - 2:04am
T, the graduate thesis of civil rights activist James Farmer (head of Congress for Racial Equality) was precisely on this topic. If you have trouble finding out about it online, I have copies of his working papers in one of the many "trunks" I was telling you about. Ringo's on the way.
by Ticia (not verified) on Mon, 01/07/2008 - 2:20am
I probably shouldn't keep this up here, but I've always enjoyed a Frank Zappa/George Duke collaboration that was on Apostrophe, "Uncle Remus". For some strange reason it still makes me smile:
And I've often used derivations of one of Zappa's cryptic lyrics from the album:
by PseudoCyAnts (not verified) on Mon, 01/07/2008 - 7:53pm
Hope it does! Around my parts, headaches that linger for hours or days seem to be the order of the day. Maybe it's the damp.
Anyway, I appreciate your willingness to respond, and hope I wasn't a pest about it. I haven't gotten full buy-in on doing this, but I am getting closer.
Off topic, I have been mostly unable to access the cafe for the last twenty-four hours. Anyone else in that boat?
by Devon (not verified) on Tue, 01/08/2008 - 12:46am
YES! Thank you so much for mentioning that!!! You don't know how much I appreciate it. It will save me from dangerous fiddling with settings.
I have a new computer and am still getting used to Vista, and I was afeared that it was some kind of conspiracy against the site--the dang new IE has all kinds of filters and protections against the dangerous intertubes, it's like fearmongering about the terrorist called "active X." The problems I was having were so odd (page loading with nothing on it except a header, and then the whole browser freezing up and telling me that other sites were not accessible). I chucked the cookies, that didn't help, it finally pushed me to take the time to download Firefox. (Which, by the way, so far I don't see what everyone was having an orgasm about.)
Might be that they were not ready for the traffic? I tried to think of other sites that would be busy and are feature rich, like DKos, and I had no problems there after reboot.
by artappraiser (not verified) on Tue, 01/08/2008 - 1:46am
Not having it today, but I am on a different computer, so I don't know.
I use Firefox at home and at work (I like it a lot, but I agree that I don't see quite what all the fuss is).
by Devon (not verified) on Tue, 01/08/2008 - 1:16pm
Back at home, I'm having slightly better luck with my dusty copy of Internet Explorer.
by Devon (not verified) on Wed, 01/09/2008 - 12:45am
Reporting in to say I haven't had any problems since and am mainly using Vista IE. Perhaps it was a problem with them doing something to the site. I must kvetch that it really aggravates me how the tradition here is not to make an announcement on problems. It wasn't just TPMCafe, it was also the TPM main page that was having problems, on the night before the big primary. Oh well, some people are still mad about the end of the Sopranos making them think there was something wrong with their TV....
by artappraiser (not verified) on Wed, 01/09/2008 - 3:10am
There was some sort of problem with TPM Cafe, which wasn't occurring with The Talking Points Memo, and other related sites. Very intermittent connections. It's fixed now. Seemed like a problem with server's internal DNS records, but that's just a guess, and may be too tech an explanation anyway.
by PseudoCyAnts (not verified) on Wed, 01/09/2008 - 9:42am
If you experience a problem like this, go to a whois look-up website and get the IP address (numerical). A fairly easy one to deal with is DomainTools. Enter in the domain name without http:// or www. in this case it would just be tpmcafe.com. Then scroll down to
Server Data -> IP Address
Copy that number, and paste it directly into your browser's navigation address.
If the site opens, it's probably a nameserver problem. Often this happens with a server change, because it takes a day or two for the new IP address to propagate across all nameservers.
In this instance, my recollection is that this server is a different one than the last time I checked, but that was a while ago. (maybe over a year)
by PseudoCyAnts (not verified) on Wed, 01/09/2008 - 9:54am
One unavoidable fact about modern presidential campaigns is that candidates are always trying to make subtle winks to constituent groups that tacitly say "I'm one of you." I feel I've been on the receiving end of some of those
If you feel like saying, I'd be interested in hearing more about winks you've been the target of.
I was thinking, while reading some of your recent posts actually, that in general the left doesn't seem to be as receptive to such tactics as the right does... The left seems always to be looking for signs that you're not one of them, while the right seems more willing to accept the subtle wink?
by nascardaughter (not verified) on Wed, 01/09/2008 - 7:05pm
It appears many Catholics in Iowa don't need a decoder ring and recognize the tribe which is being straightforwardly conjured. This does not surprise me in the least.
by artappraiser (not verified) on Wed, 01/09/2008 - 7:17pm
Bets that distribution is congruent with liberals and atheists, too. Omaha and Sioux City in the West, and the college towns in the East.
by Tom Wright (not verified) on Wed, 01/09/2008 - 7:49pm
I experienced the same problem tonight, but was able to work around it by skipping the www. and just using http://tpmcafe.com.
by PseudoCyAnts (not verified) on Thu, 01/10/2008 - 4:20am
What is that all about? Did Huckabee actually make some anti-Catholic remarks?
by Emma Zahn (not verified) on Thu, 01/10/2008 - 6:39am
On the left, I think it's true that there is less of an openness to 'dog whistles.' But maybe it's in part just that nobody is whistling to them?
For my part, listening to Obama's Iowa speech a second time, I thought there were more substantive references to racial justice issues than were immediately evident - that is one time I feel I've been whistled to. (That and the fact that John Edwards says he is following me on Twitter -I must figure out why they think that is a valuable thing to do.)
The left seems always to be looking for signs that you're not one of them....
I think this is true in two other important respects, at least for some parts of the left that I've worked in (where I would have been eviscerated for suggesting outreach to sympathetic social conservatives). There, I think, there is a generally untested assumption that we all agree about a long list of agenda items, and I've seen a lot of discomfort in these institutions with engaging in substantive political discussion seemingly for fear of exposing yourself as apostate on some ideals or positions. Second, I have heard people say (without the caustic gloss I add) that if you have to change the way you articulate your political beliefs to reach out to a wider audience, doing so constitutes selling out. The consequence is a whole lot of not talking, for fear of being or becoming 'not one of us.'
by Devon (not verified) on Thu, 01/10/2008 - 12:08pm
I would much rather read blogs than watch them but sometimes visuals convey much more than words. If you can spare 15 minutes, watch this segment from bloggingheads.tv to see what effect Huckabee's religious language has on Josh Cohen. He is obviously uncomfortable with the subject. Glen Loury points out that Huckabee talks like what he is, a Baptist minister.
Deconstructing Huckabees loaves and fishes
by Emma Zahn (not verified) on Sat, 01/12/2008 - 11:56am