Mad Men

    I've gotten the impression a number of folks at dag like this show a lot.  My wife and I got into it a few months ago and are getting caught up. 

    If you have a favorite scene, an "aha" moment the show has triggered for you, or just some observations you'd like to share about the show, it's success, and what that says if anything about part of our culture, please feel free to share.  Also if you don't like the show or know people who don't like it, I would find it interesting to hear why.

    I'll share a few observations/reactions.  Two are reactions to characters.  The other is to the show.

    Betty Draper, the January Jones character who is Don's ex, personifies in the early episodes what I understand Betty Friedan was getting at in The Feminine Mystique when she wrote about the infantilization of women.  Don treats her like a child when she wants to see a shrink, as well as generally.  She says things that reflect a severe emotional over-dependence on him that over time leaves her increasingly unhappy.  Other than horseback riding she appears to have no other real interests of her own that she pursues. 

    Then she changes, in ways that surely reflect the experiences of legions of women in the 1960's and 1970s when the womens' movement sprang up.  She gets some admiration and respect, of the sort she never got from her then-husband Don, for volunteer work either in the community or with the Rockefeller political campaign (or both, I forget), which brings her into contact with her subsequent husband.  She comes to realize that it doesn't have to be the way it was in her life, that she didn't have to forego doing anything she wanted to do, that were important to her.  And she didn't have to be subjected to denigrating assessments of her capabilities and aspirations from her husband.  Perhaps aided by her increasingly independent consciousness of her role she eventually can no longer ignore the plentiful signs of Don's chronic infidelity.

    And so she breaks away.  I love that the show doesn't sugarcoat that process.  It's very messy, it's very painful.  Where we are in the series is where she's remarried and is portrayed as kind of chronically cranky, hyper-critical of her kids, and just generally aggravated at having to deal in any way, shape or form with her ex.  It's as though she has shed her own skin but has not, not yet anyway, grown her new one or come to feel comfortable in her new one.  Wonderfully portrayed by January Jones.

    Peggy Olson, played magnificently by Elisabeth Moss, is my favorite character.  She faces just about every sort of degrading, insulting, dismissive, condescending treatment one could imagine.  And that's just in the workplace.  Her mother is totally unsupportive of her generally, and in particular of her decision to find her own place, in, of all places, that brothel otherwise known as Manhattan.  Even her priest, played by Colin Hanks, tries to manipulate rather than support her.  She is torn in all sorts of fascinating ways by her ultra-conservative, anti-liberatory upbringing, including her experience of Catholicism, on the one hand, and what she learns about herself in the workplace through sheer persistence in the face of enormous barriers that make her eventual ability to break through and shine and start to receive some richly earned respect for that all the more remarkable.  She is such a fascinating mix of a character in transition from one predominant way of looking at herself and the world to another.  She's outrageously funny, sometimes without realizing it, and of course extraordinarily bright, quick-thinking, and talented at what she does.  She has exceptional social  and emotional intelligence--without these she never would have been able to negotiate the maze of barriers and break through.  Which is a situation many women today, I suspect, can relate to in spades. 

    Often the big corporate world is seen as, or presumed to be, anti-entrepreneurial.  The show features Draper rising in position and influence in large part because he is so entrepreneurial and because he often succeeds when he is.  Working for a corporation gives him at least a little cushion to fail sometimes if his failures don't cost the firm existing clients.  Perhaps the corporate world of advertising was (is?) culturally different from other large corporations in that regard.  A former professor of mine who once worked for the precursor organization to what is now the Office of Management and Budget once said to me that he had never worked for a bureaucracy that didn't have its own culture.  The show to my way of thinking provides a convincing depiction that penetrates the fog and the mystery of these large, impersonal-and-faceless-to-much-of-the-public organizations.     

     

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    Guys in the office talk about it a lot, though I've only seen one episode. Draper was doing a stewardess and a male coworker was doing a bellboy when there was a fire drill. Perhaps we'll catch up with summer repeats. January Jones was pretty, but pretty dull in X-Men: First Class.


    Sorry.  Wish I could chat about it but haven't yet watched.   No cable.  And no way to catch up streaming on Netflix.  Have committed to no new DVDs either purchased or rented.  Streaming uber alles!

     


    Love the show. Am in love with Peggy. (In my heart, it's a toss-up between Peggy and Avril Lavigne - yeah, go figure...)

    Favorite scene? In season four, when Don gets blind drunk while in denial about Anna's death, gets in a fight with Peggy, throws up, gets humiliatingly beaten up by Duck, ends up sitting on the couch and ... reflects for a moment on his situation... then says to Peggy,

    "Get me another drink!"

    Pretty much sums up America 2011.

    Great blog, AD.


    (I suppose I should issue a "plot spoiler" warning here, perhaps should do that at the beginning of the main post, for those who haven't seen the show but might want to?)

    A couple of my favorite laugh out loud scenes involving her are...

    When a few folks from at the agency deliberately get themselves fired at the time of the takoever and start their own operation for a time, they're sitting around a table working and Roger says to Peggy, "Get me a cup of coffee."  Peggy, all business and showing no sign whatever of agitation, internal conflict, or self-consciousness and without losing a beat: "No."  Roger looks a little bemused.  The scene moves on, as though that exchange did not take place.  A small triumph for human dignity.

    The other one--I don't know if use of this "v" word earns this comment an R or otherwise unacceptable rating and management will want to edit it but here goes...

    Peggy gets hit on in an elevator at work by a lesbian or bisexual woman with another company in the same building.  The woman comes back to Peggy's office and succeeds in getting her to come to a party where she is told she can meet the director of a movie (I think) Peggy finds intriguing.  Peggy shows up at the party.  The woman hits on her.  Peggy makes it clear with her body language she is not interested.  The woman says "Your boyfriend doesn't own your vagina."  Peggy, with a much less awkward smile than she would have offered a year or two earlier in her life: "He's renting it."  Peggy 1.0 would either not have known what to say in response or would have quickly fled the encounter, and maybe the party.  But this Peggy moves right on in the conversation from there, without missing a beat.


    Oh BTW thank you for the kind words, cho.  I did not realize you are obey but got that on reading another thread.  I certainly noted obey's absence of late.  My main reaction on reading a bunch of your comments lately was that I thought you were right on on all the economic policy stuff.  That was one hint I missed.  I'm a bit slow on the uptake sometimes.  But then you know that.

    Am sorry to read that you are, or may be, taking another dag vacation.  Goodness knows I took a few at the cafe in lieu of writing something I thought I'd later regret and want to somehow take back.  We do what we feel we need to do--if we can.  Know you are missed when you're away.   


    One of the funniest scene I recall is one in which Betty and her neighbor friend are sitting talking and Betty's daughter comes into the room with a laundry bag over her head and the plastic is flexing back and forth against her mouth and nose as she breaths. The mother tells to go do something but she just stands there as we watch the laundry bag pulse. Then her mother yells angrily for her to go to her room and clean it or something just to get her to leave them alone. Off she trots with the bag still over her head. I guess it was the next episode when we find that the kid survived.


    Were we meant to think that today, a parent would more likely react with highly evident concern, if not alarm, on seeing a kid with a laundry bag over her head?  

    I think we are supposed to get from the show that parents were much less self-conscious and "sensitive" in how they treated their kids back then.  In an episode we saw a few days ago, Darth Vader Don arrives at Betty's home, returning Sally with, horror of horrors, short hair.  (Sally had cut it herself in the bathroom, unknown to the babysitter, who tried frantically to do damage control. It didn't help her.  Don fired her on the spot.)  Verbal conflict ensues and general bad karma rears its ugly head.    

    After angrily sending Sally to her room, with punishments (guess they didn't call it "withholding privileges" back then) her husband later talked her into rescinding,  Betty barks at Bobby "Bobby, go play with your baby brother outside!!"    

     


    I didn't take that scene to have any particular meaning. Betty Draper is not a likeable person in the series even though she may deserve some pity. Because I was fairly confident that no children were harmed in the production of that scene I was comfortable laughing. It was just part of defining the atmosphere I guess, though it might have been intended to say something about the time, as you suggest. Another scene now comes to mind that shows the family getting up from a picnic and just shaking the blanket and dumping their trash on the ground and leaving. That might very well have happened back then, much less likely today.
     Off topic but remembering that picnic scene now makes me think of the millions of people driving so many miles on our Interstate system that have no idea of the gratitude they should have for Ladybird Johnson's program which has kept billboard from polluting the view.


    Since Mad Men is one of the few serial dramas that both my wife and I can enjoy, I've seen every episode to date.  I find the show very compelling, almost as much for what it does poorly as what it does right.  The biggest problem I have with the show is that the characters behave according to the dictates of the plot, and never behave as characters.  A quick example is when the Drapers are flown to Rome by Conrad Hilton.  Betty, who comes off as a bit of a dim bulb raised in a stereotypical 1950's upper-middle-class household, presumably equipped to be either a chorus girl or a secretary before she snags a rich man to marry, suddenly breaks out in flawless Italian.  Um, no.

    It's interesting to compare MM with The Sopranos, which Matt Weiner also wrote and produced.  What made the Sopranos one of the greatest achievements in American dramatic history was that its characters almost never struck a false note.  I really did feel like I was sitting at the breakfast bar with Tony and Meadow, or was stranded in Pine Barrens with Paulie and Christopher.

    Also, the timeline doesn't work.  Don somehow goes from being a used-car salesman after the Korean War to the creative director of a Madison Avenue ad agency by 1961?

    On the plus side, the characters are attractive (Christina Hendricks? Oh. Man.), and the plotlines raise a lot of issues that are still relevant today, such as gender roles in the workplace and at home.  And, of course, a drama about the gathering storm of the late 60's, if done reasonably well, is irresistible to any Boomer-type still fascinated with that period in time.  Which is to say, of course, any Boomer-type with a shred of self-awareness.

    I also want to link to this recent essay from the New York Times Book Review, which captures both my criticism of the show and the reasons for the pleasure I take in watching it much better than I am able to do myself:

    http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2011/feb/24/mad-men-account/?pa...


    Thanks for your comments and the link, which I'll check out.

    The strangest part for me was the way Peggy's pregnancy by Pete was handled.  It was as though no one noticed, at work or at home.  With the weight gain, wouldn't co-workers and her mother and sister have wondered, maybe inquired if she was pregnant?  Or are we supposed to get from that Peggy's extreme social isolation in the workplace, perhaps on account of her unconventional outlook and ambitions?  She also seemed surprisingly unconflicted on giving the baby up for adoption.

    I don't get that Betty Draper is a dim bulb particularly.  She shows herself to be very capable, very sharp when she takes on some tasks outside the house.  I am left to wonder if she is someone who might have been a happier person had she decided not to have children.  For someone of her background and appearance that would have been a heavily disapproved decision to have made at that time.  


    I read the article.  Predictably, it was well-written.  I was left wondering if the author, a man of my age, has managed to draw out women who were in the workplace during the mid-1960's to the point where they would talk to him more openly about their experiences.  I'm not willing to concede, without having done that myself, that the basic portrait of that type of workplace in the show is seriously off the mark, in the sense that that kind of stuff didn't really happen.  He seems a bit blithely dismissive that it could have been that bad.  The sexism does hit you over the head with a sledgehammer because it is so rampant and omnipresent, but that I take as dramatic license, and different from saying that stuff didn't happen.

    Otherwise I have not, unlike the author of the article you linked to, perceived the scriptwriters as adopting a stance of moral superiority for today over then.  The extent of smoking and (open morning and afternoon workplace) drinking I don't feel is portrayed in a moralistic way, just as reflecting a difference between now and then. 

    I do find it almost impossible to like any of the characters, except Peggy, consistently.  If they do something you think shows some hope for them on one episode, not to worry, they'll act like a scoundrel in the next one, or even later in the same episode.  I haven't taken the show's writers to be trying to make an argument that people then were as a rule just more depraved generally (apart from the male to female sexism, arguably).  Mostly they seem to want to just have fun with the show.  One could, as I am inclined to, interpret the uses of booze, smoking and sex not as indicative of hypocrisy but of a sly, ironic, un-self-serious stance.


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