MLK: Traitor and Conformist

    Martin Luther King was a traitor. As was John Brown, Frederick Douglas, Malcolm X, Mandela, Biko, and many many others we admire.

    Robert E. Lee was also a traitor, as was Lincoln, as were the US colonists in 1776 and the first settlers leaving England and Holland, as was Sitting Bull, as was Gandhi and Xanana Gusmão and Vaclav Havel and Aung San Suu Kyi and Wang Dan of Tiananmen.

    All of these people betrayed their faith and responsibility to something - MLK to his culture and state and region, Lincoln to the constitution, Robert E. Lee to the Union, John Brown to the law, Wang Dan to the police orders of the day.

    Jesus was a traitor to rabbinic law and the edicts of Caesar, despite his careful weasel words. Yitzhak Rabin was a traitor to the Zionist cause, or at least the one that said dialog and compromise with the enemy was treason. Martin Luther, MLK's namesake, was a traitor to the Catholic church.

    Largely, all of these felt they were serving a more just cause by taking their actions, seldom for personal reasons, even though many of them had less than perfect methods, less than pure motivations, and less than ideal personal lives.

    While we think of "traitor" as a pejorative, partly due to Benedict Arnold who was not only a traitor but also a sneak, much of society's progress is carried out by traitors. Dylan was a "traitor" to the folk movement, Solzhenitsyn was a traitor to the totalitarian Soviet system. Galileo wrote his finest works under house arrest for heresy, for undermining the underpinnings of the church and the heliocentric mindset. Daniel Boone's family was thrown out of the community for marrying outside the circle.

    But what if we think of two masters? In Lars von Trier's masterpiece Zentropa looking back at the horrific choices through World War II, moral superiority falls on those who made a decision, took a side right or wrong, rather than those who refused to choose, wouldn't get involved. Because action is messy, uncertain, takes courage, has its doubts, often creates horrid side effects, often fails.

    It's easy to gloss over Lincoln's effectively killing hundreds of thousands of southerners as the southerners' fault, but that would be an oversimplification and a discredit to the difficult choice he made. He chose one atrocity over another - Civil War and the slaughter over both slavery and disintegration. Only history can really judge, and so far history has judged him well.

    While some think of Robert E. Lee as a traitor, others see him as simply a soldier doing what soldiers do (presuming no more wanton atrocity than that always found in war). Yes, he abandoned the Union, certainly his armies were upholding the structures that promoted slavery, but mostly he's seen as doing what the military's main task is - protecting those it's assigned to protect, duty first.

    But historical judgments are based on principles - allowing for conditions and beliefs at the time, while updating and modifying to take account of our evolving moral and belief systems. The idea of a Lee not considering slavery in his equation, or of the wonderful Jefferson codifying the new democracy while owning and compromising around slaves are no longer accepted as simply "those were the times".

    As we see with the short time since Hiroshima, or the Germans' continuing (and honorable) facing of its Nazi-era crimes, or even our evaluation of cause-and-effect in our Mideast adventures from the state of Israel through Mossadegh through Mujahideen in Afghanistan through Iran-contra through Gulf Wars 1 & 2 through the current morass in Iraq, Syria and Libya - we have too much knowledge to shove things to the past, no more "boys will be boys" dismissal. We have more of a responsibility to get it right before it becomes history, but we seem less and less able to do this with any fortitude, settling for weak compromise to share the blame over resolve and strength of character and acceptance responsibility for mixed consequences.

    MLK, whether due to time in jail or the nature of his spirit, seemed to do a lot of thinking, placing things in the right frame of mind and right frame of spirituality, despite the uncertainties of where his actions would lead.

    But overall, MLK was a conformist - he fit within the church, he espoused obedience to the law where moral, he was certainly no rabble rouser just for the sake of rousing rabble, and certainly not an anarchist attempting to destroy the temple, but to right it, rid it of its userers and faith healers and other abominations, to make the system function as it said it did. While he pushed the law on the streets, he also pushed the law through the courts - an equal time activist.

    MLK shunned violence, which is how his Gandhi-inspired movement won public acceptance over that of Malcolm X and the Black Panthers and more extreme groups (even though actions by Malcolm & the Panthers seem tame compared to even the FBI actions against them). And we appreciate that Mandela's later revolution was peaceful, and Suu Kyi "fought" through study of Buddhism, not guns, and that Gusmão dropped his weapons and negotiated, and that Arafat and Rabin were able to shake hands in peace.

    But that's a myopic, revisionist appreciation. The world still functions largely by violence or threat of violence. Crimea is Russia's because Putin had troops, close location and opportunity. Qaddafi is gone primarily from our air power. Iran is bargaining because of our sanctions and military threats (including the steady demise of its neighbors). ISIS gains publicity through its physical atrocities and barbaric marketing appeal. US streets are dominated by overbearing police presence, a significant armed criminal presence after dark, and the consistent NRA-backed pressure of open carry and self-proclaimed patriot nuts. 

    Even MLK's movement was carried out with the violent backdrop of Vietnam - knowing that his actions would by hypocritically judged by those bombing the hell out of a long-term colonialized people seeking freedom but with the tainted and compromised flag of communism.

    But let's take another revisionist theory and spin it on its head. The Civil War was fought to preserve a Union forcefully - something that's seen today by many as just and deserved, even as we see modern morals as promoting freedom of choice, freedom of association, the right to vote for your destiny. Iraq considered breaking into 3, a possibility generally accepted. Catalonia and Quebec have voted on breakaway independence, Scotland voted for greater autonomy, Czechs and Slovaks split amicably, Yugloslavia broke up messily, Kosovo we bombed into independence, South Sudan split with US & UN help, East Timor broke away largely on its own. Post-WWI and WWII, a massive number of countries from Korea to Azerbaijan to Kenya to Namibia to Bulgaria to Burma to Philippines freed themselves from prior unions. We largely avow the right of people to split away, even as divorce is common and accepted and no longer considered shameful.

    But the attitude towards secession in the US remains oddly regressive, oddly primitive. It'd be one thing if we understood that secession was about slavery, but we've never detached our patriotic obligations as well.

    It's not hard to see the illogic of this. If slaves had revolted in Mississippi and across Dixie in 1861 and successfully declared Liberia across the south, with a black majority citizenry, it's hard to imagine that anyone would look back and judge them harshly for quitting the Union, or even using violence had they found access to weapons. Few would demand they return to the US for the sake of the Good Ol' USA as seen on TV or promised in Philadelphia.

    Nor is the argument that the South "started it" very convincing when separated from slavery. Few heartily justify the US' continued occupation of Guantanamo in Cuba or the UK's holding Gibraltar in Spain, or Spain's holding Ceuta and Melilla in Morocco. If a people have a right to secede, they also have a right not to have the split party remain in their bedroom, in the middle of their harbor, or in the case of Gaza and the West Bank, controlling all their imports & exports, comings and goings.

    But this logic for some reason escapes us closer to home. And one thing that made MLK unusual was his reliance on logic. When he came face to face with the reality of Vietnam, he recognized and spoke up about it as a driving issue inseparable from the health and prosperity of the people and ideals he represented. He looked at economic justice as inseparable from racial rights.

    And as Bob Somerby keeps reflecting on in tribute to MLK's Stride Towards Freedom, he was insightfully simple and inclusive:

    Everybody can be great. Because everybody can serve.

    You don't have to have a college degree to serve. You don't have to make your subject and your verb agree to serve. You don't have to know about Plato and Aristotle to serve. You don't have to know Einstein's theory of relativity to serve. You don't have to know the second theory of thermodynamics in physics to serve.

    You only need a heart full of grace. A soul generated by love.

    All in all, MLK was inclusive and a conformist - he conformed himself to reality, to his surroundings, to his principles. He didn't surrender to external events, but he didn't drive on by or try to make them simply conform to him. If a neighbor hated him, he didn't blame the neighbor for his hate - he tried to understand the root of the neighbor's hate, the historical underpinnings, the fear or anger or misunderstandings, to work through it, to get beyond it. He conformed as much as possible to their independence, their rights as well.

    But we shouldn't become too preoccupied with the famous traitors & conformists - as Bowie noted, we too can be Heroes ("Ich bin auch ein Berliner" in fremde Sprache). Millions of people have dropped off the map trying to change things, push forward a better way, comply with an ideal.

    Still, all of the mess we see around us, with Trump and the Tea Party and the corporatization of America and the continuing struggle for survival in the land of plenty is, believe it or not, largely our fault. We can't keep thinking in terms of enemies without stoking up our enemies. We've built up Trump by reacting to him, ogling him, pooling our outrage and invectives, rather than understanding the real reasons why he's popular and how that reflects on our efforts, our communication, how we've dropped the ball. We enjoy the fight more than getting things done, and that's largely the distraction they thrive on. They thrive on us vs. them, and while I'm not a fan of grand bargains, I am a fan of understanding - mutual or otherwise.

    I'm sure MLK was called a traitor by both his opponents and supporters for breaking the rules or not being vehement and violent enough in the resistance. But instead of resistance, he focused on insistence, steady conformity, an undeniable belonging, betraying the myopic pettiness and angry attitudes of his time. If only we can keep his sense of reality, of time-and-place and proper action, of the thought that precedes the act. A great man with an impressive legacy, both in terms of results and enduring philosophy.

    [PS -Thanks to Jolly for the inspiration. Post on Mexicans to follow.]

    Comments

    Lee was a traitor who upheld a system that was based on enslavement of other humans. There is no glory in that system. Slavery was front and center in the articles of secession.

    http://www.civilwar.org/education/history/primarysources/declarationofca...

    The South began a campaign to shift the focus of secession from slavery to state's rights. A war weary North allowed this to happen. Frederick Douglass complained about this nonsense at the time it happened. He was clear about the deification of Robert E. Lee and the plan to obscure the truth that slavery was at the core of the Civil War. Douglass saw this as forced reconciliation. Lies had to be told to soothe the feelings of white Southerners.

    https://www.gilderlehrman.org/history-by-era/reconstruction/essays/%E2%8...

    As the country accepted the lie that slavery was not the prime reason for the Civil War, we saw the rise of the Klan and the Klan's terrorist attacks on blacks and on white Abolitionists.​ The lie that Carpetbaggers were unscrupulous men who assaulted Southerners is a myth. Historians like Eric Foner work to correct the record. The carpetbaggers were heroes.

    http://www.littlejohnexplorers.com/reconstruction/fonerreconstruction.pdf

    There are some who cannot handle the truth. Lee cannot be included alongside Jesus, MLK Jr., etc. He can be included with those who would keep men enslaved. Lee was a traitor of the worse type, he owned slaves and supported the institution. He is scum. Frederick Douglass knew that Robert E. Lee was scum.

    Times have changed. Governments are changing street names honoring Confederates. Building names are changing at colleges, Confederate flags are coming down from government grounds. Statues of Confederates are being removed. The truth is finally being told. We have an African Burial Ground in New York City. We have a Slave Museum in Charleston. We have historians corrected the story told about the Civil War.

    We have had 150 years of lies about the Civil War, we are now getting the truth. Frederick Douglass would be proud of the efforts taking place to tell the truth.

     

     


    Shame you didn't actually read & try to comprehend the post.

    Lather, rinse, repeat.

     


    I know,you are repetitive. This topic has been discussed repeatedly. Your argument remains the same. The truth is that Lee is no longer considered a hero. Many of his statues will go to museums were we can have scholars and the public review the flawed ideals of the Confederacy.

    The statue of Robert E Lee in NOLA will come down.

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/12/19/removal-of-confederate-...

    The tide has turned, The country is entering a new day.


    No, it wasn't repetitive - these are new ideas I came up with this morning.

    Unlike you, I don't have an archive of old links to rehash on demand.

    I don't give a jolly fuck about a statue in NOLA - that's your trip.

     

     


    You simply reworded old ideas. Robert E Lee pales in comparison to MLK. The link to comments Douglass made about Lee is new. The links about slavery being the centerpiece of the articles of secession and the lies told about the abuse Southerners faced under Reconstruction stand the test of time.

    Your position on the issue is elk known (repetitive) as is your video clip. Lee is not considered the hero that he was in the past. He is just another Confederate racist. A loser.

    Repetitive video coming in 5...4..3...


    The links about slavery in the articles of secession are ancient. The abuse of Southerners was irrelevant. Of course Lee pales in comparison to MLK which is why I barely mentioned him - he's just a soldier, and not even a Patton.

    But you missed the part about MLK not shitting on all his perceived enemies and keeping himself bound up in knots. Shame - could do you good.


    Actually, Martin Luther King Jr. did not fit into the Church as it existed at the time. He was a constant rabble- rouser. King's Letter from a Birmingham Jail skewered clergy for not taking an aggressive approach to Civil Rights. Preachers were supposed to go along to get along. King angered many pastors and members of congregations with his activism. King was ostracized for his views. King fit within Christianity, but he didn't fit in with the Church. King was a non-conformist when it came to the Church. King took on his perceived enemies, including LBJ. King was a gains the actions LBJ took in Vietnam and was very vocal the disagreement. The Church was not inline with King on Vietnam. There was a negative response to his speech on Vietnam at the Riverside Church in NYC. King was noted for not conforming.


    You're still not really reading my diary, just trying to find nits to argue over.


    No your post is a jumble. Lee was a traitor who fought against the government of the United States. King was non-violent. King disobeyed laws and went to jail. Name the action that King took that rose to the level of treason. King was not a conformist challenging the status who of the Church. Lee is not fit to be anywhere in a discussion about the actions of Martin Luther King Jr.

    Your post followed being upset about a joke comparing Robert E. Lee's birthday to a birthday celebration for Benedict Arnold. Lee and Arnold were traitors. Both Lee and Arnold took up arms against their former comrades. King practiced civil disobedience. Lee and Arnold were scum. King was a hero, not a traitor.


    How we got here:

    In another post, I mentioned a joke heard at a luncheon 

    I went to a meeting of a national public service organization today in Little Rock. An interesting discussion occurred at lunch.There is a proposal in Arkansas to separate the Martin Luther King Jr .from the Robert E. Lee birthday in Arkansas. The two birthdays are celebrated together in Alabama, Arkansas, and Mississippi. One of the (white) lawyers agreed with the sentiment to split the celebration, but suggested if Lee was to be celebrated, we should also celebrate Benedict Arnold. It was hilarious!

    You responded with a defense  of Robert E. Lee

    That's cute, but Lee defended his state, which was one of the foremost principles of The United States until Lincoln came along, while Benedict Arnold switched sides due to personal pique more than self-sacrificing principle.

    I responded to you

    Lee's state supported slavery. Lee's state seceded because slavery would not be expanding in the United States.This is an old, repetitive argument.

    You defended Robert E. Lee again

    That has little to do with Benedict Arnold. Perhaps if Robert E. Lee had secretly conspired to surrender Richmond to Lincoln it would. Apples, Oranges & Peaches - all have their own taste, color and texture, despite being relatively round. Anyway, sometimes despite your druthers, there's just one way out......(obligatory video clip)

    Next came this new blog which began …..  

    Martin Luther King was a traitor. As was John Brown, Frederick Douglas, Malcolm X, Mandela, Biko, and many many others we admire.
    Robert E. Lee was also a traitor, as was Lincoln, as were the US colonists in 1776 and the first settlers leaving England and Holland, as was Sitting Bull, as was Gandhi and Xanana Gusmão and Vaclav Havel and Aung San Suu Kyi and Wang Dan of Tiananmen.

    You then move to make traitor synonymous with creativity and  civil disobedience inserting Benedict Arnold (the traitor mentioned in the joke), attempting to Arnold from Robert E.Lee.

    While we think of "traitor" as a pejorative, partly due to Benedict Arnold who was not only a traitor but also a sneak, much of society's progress is carried out by traitors. Dylan was a "traitor" to the folk movement, Solzhenitsyn was a traitor to the totalitarian Soviet system. Galileo wrote his finest works under house arrest for heresy, for undermining the underpinnings of the church and the heliocentric mindset. Daniel Boone's family was thrown out of the community for marrying outside the circle.

    We are suddenly overrun with traitors. Lee and Arnold took up arms against former comrades in the role of traitors. Martin Luther King Jr. practiced civil disobedience.

    Lee cannot be rescued.


    Sorry you can't take complexity.

     


    I can take complexity. 


    Sure. Keep telling yourself that.


    I'm not sure what the point of PP's mishmash rant is other than some strange Liberal relativism or diversion. Any attempt to join MLK with Massa' Robert especially under the taunt of treason is beyond disrespectful and warped.

    MLK's ideals were about elevating the rights and liberty of all people, he  faced violent and ideological force from the traitors to our supposed national ideals who sought to maintain class divisions and dominance over others in the North as well as the South.

    MLK's use of non-violent tactics was the only way to confront Jim Crow and attract support from White Liberals and Conservatives in the segregated North, violence was a key component in this strategy, violence on unarmed Blacks displayed regularly on national TV. MLK was no fool and he quietly claimed the right of armed self defense, he owned a weapon until his Liberal northern friends convinced him it was bad PR for the cause.

    The core reason these forces despised and feared Martin, and they included Liberals, Conservatives and much of the Black leadership of that time, was that he was a Marxist with the potential to lead a combined Anti-War and Black Liberation movement aimed at the root cause of  institutional racism and ruling class domination, Capitalism and for that reason he was assassinated. It's no coincidence that he was killed soon after he publicly denounced Capitalism and moved on from Civil Rights to universal Human Rights.

    I saw and heard Martin speak in '63 and his power frightened and later inspired me when i could better comprehend his radical power and presence. It seems JFK was similarly frightened by King as he commented to RFK, after MLK's first visit to the White House, that having King in the WH was like having Karl Marx visit that bastion of Capitalism and White power.

     


    The core reason he was feared was he was a Marxist? Look, "a better distribution of wealth" is core Democratic platform in conservative year 2016 - he's hardly advocating collective farms and nationalizing factories. I mean really, MLK owned a handgun says what? Revolution from the barrel of a gun? An abandonment of passive resistance?

    I tried to write something interesting, and I either get the same old history sops tossed back at me or some fantastical stretch of MLK's approach.


    Peracles, I applaud your effort to raise the bar. Synthesis is to be admired. More later, daily tasks await.



    Now that's a great video clip

    Thanks, Richard


    I enjoyed reading this post. I think some of the push back you've received has been a bit harsh, but every time we hit that save button we open ourselves up to criticism. Dr. King did become a bit more radical in the last years of his life. James Melvin Washington, Cornel West, and Michael Eric Dyson have pinned articles and books detailing his shift from a strict doctrine of civil disobedience to entertaining the ideas of more militant individuals in the civil rights movement. Dr. King struggled with the notion of asking people inside his circle not to defend themselves when confronted with physical violence. Thanks for this piece!


    As King moved from desegregation to poverty and the Vietnam War, his rhetoric became more militant as noted by Dyson.

    http://www.popmatters.com/review/i-may-not-get-there-with-you/

    He saw riots as the "language of the unheard, but remained committed to nonviolence

    http://time.com/3838515/baltimore-riots-language-unheard-quote/

    Andrew Young noted that King became more militant but never changed his commitment to nonviolence 

    http://www.cnn.com/2010/LIVING/05/19/Malcolmx.king/


    Thanks - I'm as interested in where the new MLK(s) Is (black, Arab, economic, global ecology, immigrant rights...) and what it means to break new ground vs supporting efforts already underway. And how overall moral, philosophical attitude informs the work in pragmatic ways. And mostly happy a few people enjoyed a different take on things, "right" or "wrong". Cheers.


    MLK developed his radical Marxist analysis much earlier than 1967 and he didn't have to 'become' something he already was. JFK's comments after their first meeting shows this fact clearly. The use of nonviolent tactics during the Civil Rights stage of his evolution was the foundation he would never have compromised because of his Christian revolutionary roots.

    He was playing with a much bigger and more  dangerous fire when he transitioned to attacking the root causes of racism/inequality at home and abroad, Capitalism and his new tactics would probably have been more radical/militant but still nonviolent.

    The era of the Righteous powerful leader representing the possibility of true  positive change for humanity is past and the example that the State made of MLK with his assassination insured anyone with those possible talents and drive will keep their heads down.

     


    Martin Luther King Jr was never a Marxist, King flatly rejected Communism and Marxism. King fits more in the category of Democratic Socialist.

    http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2014/1/martin-luther-kingsocialism...


    It is fair enough to say that King's view involved a Marxist analysis in the sense that the world is an entire system that involves all people and needs to be understood as one place as much as is possible. But your theory makes too little of King's work to establish a certain national character and claim what the best kind of citizen of the U.S is like. He is a lot closer to Thoreau than Marx in formulating the idea that expressing a personal requirement of conscience is political expression.
    In terms of violence, Marx clearly stated that meaningful change could only come after a deadly struggle that results in the seizure of power. To cast MLK jr. in such a role would amount to a sleight of hand. Adding "in a non-violent way" would require another.


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