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    Mubarak ordered Tiananmen-style massacre of demonstrators, Army refused

    This from Robert Fisk by way of Amricablog.

    Last night [Feb 10], a military officer guarding the tens of thousands celebrating in Cairo threw down his rifle and joined the demonstrators, yet another sign of the ordinary Egyptian soldier's growing sympathy for the democracy demonstrators. We had witnessed many similar sentiments from the army over the past two weeks. But the critical moment came on the evening of 30 January when, it is now clear, Mubarak ordered the Egyptian Third Army to crush the demonstrators in Tahrir Square with their tanks after flying F-16 fighter bombers at low level over the protesters.Many of the senior tank commanders could be seen tearing off their headsets – over which they had received the fatal orders – to use their mobile phones. They were, it now transpires, calling their own military families for advice. Fathers who had spent their lives serving the Egyptian army told their sons to disobey, that they must never kill their own people.Thus when General Hassan al-Rawani told the massive crowds yesterday evening that "everything you want will be realised – all your demands will be met", the people cried back: "The army and the people stand together – the army and the people are united. The army and the people belong to one hand."

    Which is precisely why would would not have a successful uprising in this country. Our military would have absolutely no problem with mowing down and massacring American citizens. It did it already at Kent State.

    Comments

    After reading that Americablog entry, I wouldn't trust ANYTHING they have to say on the topic

    Not. One. Thing.

    Where he says > I did find some corroboration, for example here.

    I nearly spit on the screen, That link is Iranian state TV!!!

    I can't imagine a more untrustworthy source on the Egyptian revolution.right now. I wanna ask them : how long have you been blogging now? All that time and you still didn't learn you can't trust everything on the internet? You can only find two sources for what would have been a major story and you don't check those sources out? Hello?

    His comments about Fisk sound nearly as clueless. Suffice it to say that Fisk is an extremely controversial writer having a known tendency to report rumors as fact when they serve the point he is trying to make. He's well known--that part they got right. But not necessarily for accurate reporting.


    Sorry I interrupted your reading of the Washington Times.


    Four people died at Kent State and the whole thing really looks like one guy starting a round of panic shooting - not a specific command decision to mow down everyone protesting . If push came to shove, I think you are dead wrong on this. I don't see my friends in the army blasting on their protesting stoner buddies because Bush or Obama says to. They aren't doing it because they have some political loyalty to the "regime", they are doing it for the steady paycheck and hope that the GI Bill doesn't turn out to be bullshit.

    But private military contractors ... who now almost outnumber our military .... they recruit the ones who don't give a damn. If Americans rise up to the point where they face tanks ... my guess is those tanks won't be manned by the US Military

     


    Ex-CIA Analyst Ray McGovern Beaten, Arrested for Silent Protest at Clinton Speech

    This week, U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton gave a major address calling for Internet freedom around the world. As Clinton condemned the Egyptian and Iranian governments for arresting and beating protesters, former U.S. Army and CIA officer Ray McGovern was violently ejected from the audience and arrested after he stood up and turned his back in a silent protest of America’s foreign policy. Ray McGovern joins us from Washington, D.C.


    Saw that - Jonathan Schwarz has a video posted showing just the snippet of him being taken out ... Rather ironic verbiage from Hillary as a backdrop!