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    One Nation Under God - Or Not

    In spite of the diversity of the country and our best intentions, we do find ourselves in a community of folks that lean one particular way or another.  I have spent most of my adult life in the Northwest urban areas. As a consequence, it was easy to believe the folks who will say, when the topic turns to God, "I'm spiritual, not religious" were quite common.  As my recent years in the Mid-West and Gallup's newly released finding from their religious identity poll attest to, this is not really the case when we scan the contours of the American nation.  Gallup summarizes the findings this way:

    This Christmas season, 78% of American adults identify with some form of Christian religion. Less than 2% are Jewish, less than 1% are Muslim, and 15% do not have a religious identity. This means that 95% of all Americans who have a religious identity are Christians.

    What is your religious preference -- are you Protestant, Roman Catholic, Mormon, Jewish, Muslim, another religion, or no religion? (If respondent names "another religion," ask: Would that be a Christian religion or is it not a Christian religion?) January-November 2011 results



    There are a number of trends Gallup's poll on religion in American show, including while currently 81% of Americans say religion is very or fairly important in their lives, this is down from 95% in 1952, although it has been pretty consistent in the 80% range since the 70's.  There does seem however to be a slow but steady rise of those who say it isn't important.

    Another poll in February found that

    Americans have mixed views on the influence of organized religion in the U.S. today, with 29% saying religion should have more influence and an identical percentage saying it should have less influence. A slightly larger 39% believe organized religion's influence should be kept as it is now.

    Yet shortly before that, another poll found that

    Seven in 10 Americans say religion is losing its influence on American life -- one of the highest such responses in Gallup's 53-year history of asking this question, and significantly higher than in the first half of the past decade.

    Of course, there is much diversity amongst those who identify with Christianity in this country - just from a denominational perspective alone.  But within each denomination there is wide spectrum of doctrine interpretation and beliefs.  The individuals within each community also differ in engagement, faith, and adherence to the doctrines.  To say that 78% of Americans are Christians on one level doesn't tell us much about these Americans.  The same goes for those who identify themselves as Jewish or Muslim or Buddhist or Atheist or agnostic.    

    One Christian may believe religion should have less influence in the U.S., but sees its influence increasing, while another believes the influence should be greater while watching that influence being lost.

    Yet a belief in a God (which 9 out of 10 Americans do) and an adherence to a formal doctrine regarding something beyond the material world influences every facet of one's world view or paradigm, including one's view of one's self.  When we speak of the American nation, we cannot ignore this profound influence, and any discussion about topics such as politics, the sciences, the arts, gender, race, or poverty need to, at some point, explore the underpinnings of religion and spirituality.

    For instance:

    Four in 10 Americans, slightly fewer today than in years past, believe God created humans in their present form about 10,000 years ago. Thirty-eight percent believe God guided a process by which humans developed over millions of years from less advanced life forms, while 16%, up slightly from years past, believe humans developed over millions of years, without God's involvement.

    What relationship is there between one's view of the evolution-creation debate and one's view of the causes of and solutions to poverty?  There is no one-to-one correlation, with plenty of exceptions to the rules, if one finds any rules.  Things aren't that cut and dry as we all know.  But sometimes we confront views and understandings that don't make sense in light of the conclusions we have drawn - and it is quite possibly this frustration is born of conflict of much deeper views about the nature of the universe.

    Lately it does seem we, as a nation, have become more and more fragmented, dividing ourselves into us and them, with those on the other side increasingly viewed as delusional or wicked or something like that.  It may be that there is no longer something that can be called the American Nation.  There are U.S. citizens, but no identity as a people.  The answer to the question why we (or Congress) can't seem to work together to solve our problems is that we no longer perceive identify with each other.

    Some day in the distant future, everyone across the globe we see ourselves as one people, in it together, through thick and thin.  But for the time being just coming together in our local communities, overcoming the divisions of religion, race, class, gender and so on, is a big enough challenge.  To dream we are able to achieve this across the geographical vastness of this country is just about as pie-in-sky as one can get. Or at least it seems that way. 

    We can come together easily enough against a common enemy or around the aftermath od some tragedy.  But these are transitory and external forces.  America has been an experiment in diversity and tolerance of others.  It has been a slow process, and we have a long way to go.  Most societies throughout the history of humankind have been able to maintain their sense of togetherness, of belonging, of shared identity through facets of commonality.  America, in some ways unconsciously and organically, has sought to maintain that identity without requiring any agreed upon commonality. 

    Intolerance and demands to conformity are still the rules of the day, in one form or another.  Slowly, however, we continue to expand the openness and freedom of individual expression and being.  And as what it means to be American becomes more and more ambiguous, the fears and anxiety grow.  People turn to those who are more like themselves.  

    During this time of Christmas (which 95% of us celebrate in one way or another), maybe we can take some time to ponder just who it is that is the "us" and who is the "them,"  and maybe open ourselves to expanding the "us" just a little.  Maybe we take a step closer to finding a way to sincerely work together.

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    I've had some rich conversations with Christian friends and family that start out because they can't understand how I could have given up on being a Christian when that was my upbringing.  I tell them that since I'm willing to accept their views on religion, they should be willing to accept mine.  I'm the same person I always was and giving up on religion doesn't mean I give up on humanity. 

    I have actually had family members cry over me because I'm not "saved".  They tell me they want to be able to see me in heaven and they won't if I don't do something about it. 

    The truth is, I accept them much more openly than they do me.  Unless they're using religion to do harm, which none of them are, I'm pretty much okay with whatever it is they do in their churches.  No, I'm absolutely okay with it.  It's really none of my business and I wouldn't ever consider telling them to stop believing.  I understand the comfort they get from their church communities and I'm happy for them.  Some of them are Baptists and let me tell you, those church ladies can cook!  You sometimes almost wish for a funeral. . .

    But I can't say the same for them.  From the Baptists to the Lutherans to the Catholics, they really can't stand it that so many of us are non-believers.  It comes up every time we're all together, and it isn't "us" who bring it up.  They feel it's their duty to save us from ourselves, which -- there's no getting around it -- is about as insulting as it can get.

    In public life, doing good works isn't good enough.  However, the simple act of calling oneself a Christian is good enough.  Then you're accepted, no matter what you've done or haven't done. 

    So, Trope, unless they're willing to accept "us" for who we are, there's really no working together.  Not in any sincere way, anyway.


    ...unless they're willing to accept "us" for who we are, there's really no working together.  Not in any sincere way, anyway.

    Absolutely.  One side shouldn't roll over and let the "others" to avoid their responsibility.  It would be like the spouse of an addict enabling the addict to stay in a state of denial.  That doesn't we have to be confrontational, stoking the fires of conflict.  This will only ensure the divisions to remain in place or to get even stronger.  As you say, what we are seeking is sincere coming together which is filled with acceptance and compassion of the other. And this doesn't mean there is full acceptance and understanding, but rather the sincere attempt to accept and understand.

    They feel it's their duty to save us from ourselves, which -- there's no getting around it -- is about as insulting as it can get.

    It is hard to feel compassion towards those who are unwilling to accept us, to see that by and large they believe they are doing the right thing.  So often it is unresolved internal issues that drive them to believe with such absolute certainty (which is a cover for their doubts they cannot acknowledge) and direct their attention toward saving others which will reinforce their propped up faith.  If anything one should feel pity for them.  If only they weren't irritating and insulting. ;)

    The path to finding a bridge between us is long - whether over the division caused by religion, race, gender, sexual orientation, and so on.  There are successes (and a few set backs) along the way.  All we can do is keep on keeping on, and keep the eyes on the prize.  Easier said than done.


    It is funny, memory.

    I forget so many incidents in my life.

    But i recall when the Pledge of Allegiance changed.

    I mean you are asked to memorize some lines (which I was never good at) and then the lines changed.

    I recall the fourth and fifth grade when the classes would call a requiem...no snow and no catastrophic emergency and the entire school would evacuate the school except for us Catholics--I mean Jews were a no show anyway. ha

    And the Lutherans would gather together beyond the parking lot.

    I assume there was no budget for Catholics to pick us up and take us to the parking lot cathedral located seven blocks away. hahahaha

    I remember the anguished old lady who came out of nowheres on Friday (that would be any abused woman over the age of 30) coming to my 1st grade class to tell us that the world would end on Monday!

    I don't care.

    I mean we can include under God in any message we wish and I do not think it means a damn thing.

    ha

    I have ranted about how Imus's brother in law (who has the intelligence of a fig) decided that our best course was to nuke them all!

    Well, what a wonderful idea.

    I mean we shall declare war upon 1.5 billion people.

    God is a rock and God is the Universe and God is Gaia and God is the mathematical deductions of geniuses.

    I mean who really cares?

    The problem is: too many people care even though they have no idea what they are talking about.

    But then again, that is the tragedy of man!


    God is a rock and God is the Universe and God is Gaia and God is the mathematical deductions of geniuses.

    And God is a Richard Day rant. HA!


    hahahahahahah

    You know.

    People can be so very kind around here. hahahahahahah


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