MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE
by Michael Wolraich
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Two simple and short items here.
1. On a scale of 1-10 (1 being worst and 10 being best) how would you rate the President's performance at the Press Conference?
2. Using the same scale, how would you rate the performance of the press?
After rating each, go ahead and put down your thoughts on any details you consider important, highlights, etc...
Here's my take...
The President gets a 9.5 for his performance. The only negative is that he tends to overdo the responses in terms of length. The answers aren't bad, they are just sometimes too rambling and that reduces the effectiveness of what he has to say.
I thought his response to the "what took you too long" gotcha question on AIG was just about perfect. His answer on the middle east was very good and I thought he struck the right tone. His staff is right to put him forward as much as they do. He certainly understands the issues and what he needs to say. He is quick on his feet and, I think, he actually believes in the approach he is taking and that counts for something even if it ends up being wrong. Conviction is a quality that resonates with people and is especially important in the midst of so much upheaval. When he pointed out that "the public" has been sacrificing a great deal he really hit it out of the park. The question demonstrated how out of touch the millionaire media is and gave Obama the opportunity to clearly demonstrate that he understands who is hurting economically.
The Press gets a 4 for their usual shallow questions and attempts to try and "catch" the President or fool him into saying something they could sensationalize. The White House Press Corps is an incredibly unimpressive lot. I think they were actually worse this time than they were during the Bush years. They should all be replaced with the exception of Helen Thomas.
Comments
I agree with your rating, but don't agree too long answers. For people who haven't been keeping up (unlike most here), I think they were needed.
Some of the press was a bit piqued because he called on reps of entities such as Stars and Stripes, Univision and Latino paper et al. Thus, a few who are used to being acknowledged weren't able to 'shine'.
by Aunt Sam (not verified) on Wed, 03/25/2009 - 2:39am
Well done Oleeb. REally well done. 10 9.5, hell better than the press.
Geez, the silly press conferences with that moron for eight fricking years.
God, I think they do not know how to react to it.
No pretend press porno kings in the crowd.
No pretend press pretending to be concerned.
THIS IS THE REAL THING.
Thank you Oleeb
by dickday (not verified) on Wed, 03/25/2009 - 2:51am
Obama 9.7 I'd go higher, but I think he still has room to grow! I didn't find his answers too long at all. I like the way he explains concepts so that regular folks can understand, yet makes it perfectly obvious that he knows his stuff. He is a complete breath of fresh air. My God, an intelligent President...what a concept.
Press 3, maybe? I think they are so unaccustomed to asking questions of a President that actually knows the answers, that they are really being made to look BAD. LOVE that non-traditional journalists are being called on.
by stillidealistic (not verified) on Wed, 03/25/2009 - 4:31am
9.8 for the President. I love the long answers. The more detailed the info, the better.(IMO)
The press I'll give a 2 and that's because only 2 questions came off as honest, thoughtful questions. The guy that asked about Stem Research and the one that asked about homeless children. Ironically, this is where I deducted from the President's rating. I understand Veterans are in the majority when it comes to homelessness but I felt he threw that in for political reasons. A man's gotta do what a man's gotta do, but I could have done without it.
"I like to know what I'm talking about before I speak." That line had me, fist bumping, high fiving and giving him 2 circles with a z.:)
The answer about sacrifice was brilliant. It underscored his affinity for and understanding of, the average citizen.
by havethoughtwill... (not verified) on Wed, 03/25/2009 - 6:09am
I give the president a 9 and the mainstream press a 3. The non-traditional (at least from a political perspective) press gets a 7.
What I love about Obama's answers is that he always gives context and makes connections to broader issues and broader history, like citing the example of Northern Ireland when asked if there will ever be peace in Israel. I'd give him a 10 except for he kept saying, "You don't have to take my word for it. Experts all say...blah blah." He might be right, be we got the point the first two times.
The president's strategists get a 10! While the republicans are trying to make the point that Obama is biting off more than he can chew, trying to concentrate on health care, energy, education AND the economy, in every answer, the president weaved those issues together tightly...too tightly for the right to unravel. And, by calling on reporters from publications like Stars and Stripes and Univision, the president was able to illustrated that his knowledge on the gigantic variety of issues facing, and important to, Americans is broad and deep. He gave the sense that he's in charge, he knows where he's going, and he's willing to share the details with us. After 8 years of "I know what to do so shut up and shop," it's refreshing to be let in to the thought process.
The non-traditional press asked great questions that reminded us that there's always more going on in the country and the world than whatever the issue of the day is (no matter how big or important that issue may be).
The traditional press? Their game of gotcha got old very fast. Idiots.
by Orlando (not verified) on Wed, 03/25/2009 - 11:31am
Apparently the questions were submitted ahead of time. Given that, he was able to set up his own gotcha moment. I rate his performance high just for taking advantage of a stupid question. I also think it is necessary to give some explanation, as he did.
I'll say 9.0.
I won't rate the press. As long as they have to submit questions that they hope will get them called on it really isn't necessary for them to even be there. Obama could have just given a speech.
by A Guy Called Lulu (not verified) on Wed, 03/25/2009 - 11:42am
Is that true? Has it always been that way? It seems ridiculous. If it was always like that, why was Bush so unprepared for his "mistake" question?
by CVille Dem (not verified) on Wed, 03/25/2009 - 12:51pm
Personally, Just that fact that we now have a President that can stand up in front of the media, speak in whole, cogent sentences and handle completely random, unfiltered in advance questions is such a breath of fresh air I almost forget to listen to the inane questions or his over the top precise and carefully nuanced answers.
Do I agree with his solutions? Not all of the time, but the fact that he is so obviously in control and understands all the issues makes it a great deal easier for me to give him the benefit of the doubt on his approaces. Especially after the last 8 years of amazing ineptitude and constant manipulation of the press by handlers who were clearly trying to keep GWB on one topic at a time as if that was all he could keep track of (and apparently it was)
The one question that slammed it home for me that the press has not yet got back up to speed with Obama was when the ABC correspondent asked and "race" from out of no where and in good humor Obama once again shoved that ridiculous question out of they way and got back to the real issues we need solved now.
by justaworkinstiff (not verified) on Wed, 03/25/2009 - 1:06pm
Right, no more scripted spontaneous moments, please.
by BevD (not verified) on Wed, 03/25/2009 - 1:31pm
9 for the president, 1 for the press
by JudyAnn (not verified) on Wed, 03/25/2009 - 2:19pm
Yes, it has always been that way in the modern era. There's nothing new about questions being submitted in advance. The only thing that is not known in advance is whether and/or how will a reporter follow up. I recall finding out about this back in college in the 70's and thinking that was ridiculous. Not sure there's any reason to be believe differently now, but that's the tradition and every President has followed it thus far.
In terms of procedure at Presidential press conferences things were completely normal. The AP always gets the first question, then the three networks each get a question. Beyond that, I'm pretty sure there are no guaranteed questions. It's up to the President to call on individual reporters. It almost looked like to me that the President had a list from which he was selecting questioners last night. As was apparent when the woman from ABC radio was selected, the reporters themselves (other than those listed above)don't know if they will have the opportunity to ask a question or not.
by oleeb (not verified) on Wed, 03/25/2009 - 3:02pm
I don't think that is quite the case, but close. His beautifully delivered "STFU" response came after the repeated follow ups by the reporter in the "when did you stop beating your wife" mode on why the President didn't immediately pounce on the bonus issue. So that wasn't really scripted. He had skillfully evaded that trap as he gave his answer and clearly had had enough when he made his excellent and quite fitting response. It really was a classy and highly effective way for him to convey he was going to play that shallow game. If he's lucky, the blockheaded white house press corps may actually realize that following that path with this President is a really bad idea. I hope so anyway.
by oleeb (not verified) on Wed, 03/25/2009 - 3:07pm
As for Bush being unprepared even though questions were submitted in advance there could be many reasons for his bumbling response. Among the possible reasons: he's just that stupid, being lazy and having a short attention span he may not have reviewed the questions or paid enough attention to remember who would be asking what, he may have been so impressed with his deciderness that he didn't bother thinking about who he would pick and instead just shot from the hip and picked questioners he personally liked, etc... Coulda been a million reasons, but personally I prefer the first possibility.
by oleeb (not verified) on Wed, 03/25/2009 - 3:12pm
CD, I don't know for certain that the questions were pre-submitted, [I don't know ANYTHING for certain] but I believe it to be the case. Years ago a friend submitted a question at a speach by Pres. Ford. He was called on as the token bright, young, involved college student. To this day he regrets passing up a chance to ask a real question.
At one point Obama called a name and said, "Is she here?", as he looked around the group.
by A Guy Called Lulu (not verified) on Wed, 03/25/2009 - 3:17pm
Oleeb, Apparrently this was in response to my comment. I cannot connect your response where you say that that is not quite the case. What is not quite the case?
I agree with you and everyone else who thinks he was effective and that it is refreshing and reasuring to have an intelligent, informed, and articulate person as head of State.
by A Guy Called Lulu (not verified) on Wed, 03/25/2009 - 3:26pm
That he set up his own gotcha moment because of presubmitted questions. A minor point really. Not a big deal either way.
by oleeb (not verified) on Wed, 03/25/2009 - 3:46pm
I don't believe you're correct. Do you have any evidence to back that up? I heard the exact opposite from Chris Mathews during the post-game show.
by Goshen (not verified) on Wed, 03/25/2009 - 4:09pm
I have no direct evidence or proof. It was my assumption going in and I saw several things which seemed to indicate itwas the case. I presented it as a belief, never as a known fact. I would be happy to be shown to be wrong.
by A Guy Called Lulu (not verified) on Wed, 03/25/2009 - 4:16pm
Yep. 9+ for Pres.Obama, for many reasons none greater than the fact he steered the focus back to the budget proposal- almost every time.
Chuck-0 (He should resign or be sacked, he's getting worse)
Tapper-1 (An absolute tool)
Ed Henry-0 (Well...)
Ann Compton- 2 (Holy eff? Waste of Time)
Rest- 3
by kash79 (not verified) on Wed, 03/25/2009 - 4:36pm
by 714Day (not verified) on Wed, 03/25/2009 - 5:27pm
You're giving Chippie a 3?
by erichayes (not verified) on Wed, 03/25/2009 - 6:06pm
I agree with your ratings but I did not think his answers were exceptionally long. They averaged 4 minutes and were intelligent/intelligible and informative. People on the street ARE listening and encouraged by his frequent visibility and ability to discuss complex topics. He eases anxiety among the those I have spoken with. The Press?? Sometimes I just do not know where thy are coming from.
by mainiac1 (not verified) on Wed, 03/25/2009 - 6:11pm
I am going to give the President a 7... not because he gave a 7 performance, but because the press is so stupid that he can only be so good in this context. I mean, seriously, what the hell was with Commie China and SOCIALIST Europe in regards to the dollar situation. Why does their form of government have any impact on the substance of the question. It was ridiculous... borderline pinheaded.
That being said, the press gets a 1. 4 of them had the same question in different words, and none of them had any facts at their disposal. Would it kill them to do a little ressearch? If you are going to ask a question about the looming deficit, use the projected deficit amount in order to drive the point home. Try asking a different kind of question about Israel and the Middle East in order to try and break the President from his stump speech. If I want to know what the formula policy on Israel is, I could go to the web site.
The press is failing in its responsibilities. Sending these personalities out there to ask their poor questions and then go on the tube or blog and write their spin later... that's all that they are about. Chuck Todd asks the crappiest questions but gets tons of face time to somehow analyze the facets of the President's response.
BTW, the new media meme is that President Obama is trying to "fillibuster" the press conferences with his verbose responses. They are already starting to blame their incompetenec on Obama's abilities. I truly hate the press in this country. What a bunch of morons.
by Zipperupus (not verified) on Wed, 03/25/2009 - 6:17pm
Don't diss chuckie
by Doomer252 (not verified) on Wed, 03/25/2009 - 6:39pm
According to comments I've heard today, the questions were submitted in advance. Of course, follow-ups are not.
by CVille Dem (not verified) on Wed, 03/25/2009 - 7:00pm
Yes. Another comment I heard today was that Obama kept the presser at 56 minutes so that the stations wouldn't have time for commentary at the end. They were whining (yes, truly whining) that he should have cut it off at 7 minutes before the hour so that their brilliant cohorts could give an instant analysis.
Well, they've had time to sleep on it, and their analysis still sucks! If he had cut it off early they would be complaining that not enough questions got asked.
Who would you and I rather watch? President Obama giving nuanced information to all of us, or Pat Buchanan squealing one more complaint about socialism?
by CVille Dem (not verified) on Wed, 03/25/2009 - 7:04pm
I was watching a hockey game (Hey, I've got my priorities straight!) and so didn't catch the press conference live.
But I read the transcript, and Obama was very impressive. At least a 9.
As for the media, I read Ron Fournier's fatuous AP "analysis" on Drudge and decided I didn't really need to know what the press thought. Fournier gets a zero, since you rule out minus scores. The rest of the media? Who cares?
by acanuck (not verified) on Wed, 03/25/2009 - 7:11pm
Good post. Rec'd. But I'd like to give ratings in a few more categories.
President Obama gets a 9. He didn't ramble as much as he occasionally does when asking a complex question. What he did especially well was talk over the media filter. He's always been effective when making his case directly to the people.
I have one nitpick with him: his use of "uh" to cover pauses while he's thinking. It's not that difficult to eliminate - Toastmasters, in fact, does excellent extemporaneous speaking drills that will wipe that tendency out. But he's so obviously intelligent that any criticism of him on that point comes off as petty.
Major-network reporters get a 2. Absolute tools - but I'm especially growing tired of the "Flatulent Four" (Reid, Tapper, Todd, Henry). They'd be better off working as correspondents for "Chocolate News".
Helen Thomas gets a 9. She doesn't deserve to be included with any other people in that room. In fact, she ought to be the only one who gets a front-row seat, and all questions should be OK'd by her before they're asked.
The "kitchen Cabinet" gets a 10. You could see Axelrod's fingerprints all over this presser. And the messaging was stone cold perfect. Obama's a talented man, and his senior staff does a great job of playing to his strengths.
by Boyd Reed (not verified) on Wed, 03/25/2009 - 7:17pm
If Buchanan is on with Rachel Maddow, then he can speak. It's always fun to watch her carve him up. :)
by Boyd Reed (not verified) on Wed, 03/25/2009 - 7:20pm
Obama gets a 9 from me because he does explain his answers, and what really brings me to be impressed is that he answers every part of a question, in one way or another. The exception of course was the dismissal of the challenge to "What took you so long to get angry". That anger thing appears to me to be the drug of choice for the Reich. They feel if someone is angry then they are "doing something". Obama and probably a lot of people here, anyplace Left of Center may disagree with that assumption.
The press gets a 3. They get to submit their questions in advance and that's all they could manage?!?!? It's one thing to say Obama was prepared for the questions because they were submitted before the presser [assuming they were]. But it's another to say the press had time to craft an intelligent question and failed miserably.
Even with lead time to review the questions, Obama managed to answer with no teleprompter and to answer them completely. I am impressed. I am waiting for the press to catch up and make the story about the failure of the Right to have anything to contribute to the reconstruction efforts related to this economy.
by GregorZap (not verified) on Wed, 03/25/2009 - 7:44pm
These scales are tough.
You couldn't accurately rate President Bush on a scale of 1 to 10 because he was only capable of reaching a 4, and he averaged -37.
With President Obama, we can and should heighten our expectations because his abilities are greater, so his lows should be higher and his highs should be higher. (No, I have no idea if that makes any sort of mathematical sense but something sounds right about it in the abstract.) Therefore, I would give President Obama a 10 but push his scale up to a maximum of 16 to allow room for improvement and unrealized potential.
I have no rating for the White House press corpse.
by tpmgary (not verified) on Wed, 03/25/2009 - 8:09pm
Obama did what he had to do, so I give him a 10 for doing what he needed to do. The press did what they THOUGHT they needed to do, so I'll give them a 5 because they succeeded in doing what they set out to do but, what they think they should do is a bit warped.
by Frizzletoad (not verified) on Wed, 03/25/2009 - 9:09pm
The WH Press Office sometimes -- not always, but sometimes -- may preselect the questioners, but not their questions. This is done to spread the access to some of the lesser known outlets. It is also done because some members of the media/press may have asked for time from the Press Sec'y for a Q&A, and instead get to ask the President directly. When the press conference is televised, instead of having the shoutfest of screaming reporters, the President can call on them from a list. If WH reporters were asked to "presubmit" their questions, you'd hear them scream about that.
There are a lot of things that happen behind the scenes, but requiring the reporters to get clearance on their questions isn't one of them. It's all that "freedom of the press" malarky. (I'm keeeeeeeey-ding!!!!)
by Jade7243 (not verified) on Wed, 03/25/2009 - 9:28pm
The President was serious and "persistent", did not laugh or smile much. He was testy, angry and snapped at reporters who were just doing their jobs asking him the questions the people want to know. He was on defense one minute and on the offense the next. He was indecisive. He was dodging questions. He used big words, and gave long-winded answers with no sound bites. He didn't call on the important newspapers. He called on Chuck, Chip, Jake and Major, also known as Alvin and the Chipmunks. He answered four questions that were not about the crisis that he is supposed to be focused like a laser on. If he could answer those questions, he is not focused like a laser on the economy. He didn't mangle any words like his predecessor. He talked for about an hour. He still has not come up with catchy nicknames for reporters. He has not fired Geithner yet, like some people want. He still hasn't said the fundamentals of the economy are strong. He did not mention Rush Limbaugh, the leader of the Republican party. He did not apologize to Dick Cheney, the man who has kept us safe since 9/11. He did not say how much wants to be like Ronald Reagan, the once and future leader of the Republican Party, well, co-leader with Rush Limbaugh, the de facto leader of the Republican Party. He did not attend the Gridiron Dinner, and that is a slap in the face to the media.
PRESIDENT OBAMA'S GRADE: Incomplete
The press and the media were perfect ladies and gentlemen. They asked important probing questions like, "Whyfor howcome did it take you two whole days to days get all angry about the AIG bonuses when the rest of some parts of America were mad on Day One?" The media attended the Gridiron Dinner.
MEDIA'S GRADE: 10!
Please return to the "Snark-free Zone" for your own safety and security.
by Jade7243 (not verified) on Wed, 03/25/2009 - 10:09pm
Please... the President and the WH communications, advisors and political teams practice for the news conference. They pose practice questions for the President based on things the reporters have been asking, what's in the news. They help the President hone his answers, provide him with stats to use, and general give him a good grilling so he's ready for whatever may come. Their job is to make sure the President is not stumped by anything the press corps may ask.
The White House press corps does not submit their questions in advance. What you witnessed was the communications, advisors and political working with an agile, literate and intellectually curious President. Such a contrast from what you witnessed over the last 8 years.
"Uh, Turdblossom, who's got the next question? How about Helen "Stretchpants" Thomas? Oh, yeah... we're not talking to her. How about that other "Stretch," David Gregory?"
by Jade7243 (not verified) on Wed, 03/25/2009 - 10:20pm
hahahahahaha! I'm glad you were being snarky...I was afraid those were actual comments from the msm!
by stillidealistic (not verified) on Wed, 03/25/2009 - 10:31pm
Yes, they do submit in advance and have done so for decades.
by oleeb (not verified) on Wed, 03/25/2009 - 10:37pm
Thanks Oleeb. That has to be underlined. So I am underlining it. hahaah
by dickday (not verified) on Wed, 03/25/2009 - 10:39pm
Jade, your comment begs the same question that mine did. Can you support what you said or is it just your belief as to how things are,like with me?
This thread has both opinions.
by A Guy Called Lulu (not verified) on Wed, 03/25/2009 - 11:08pm
WOW! Jade, you can spin with the best of them. Are you running for any public offices?
by GregorZap (not verified) on Thu, 03/26/2009 - 4:32am