The Bishop and the Butterfly: Murder, Politics, and the End of the Jazz Age

    Suburban/Rural Swing Women

    Here they are (from this Oct. 11 NYTimes article: As Impeachment Divide Persists, More Voters Embrace an Inquiry):

    Denise Reynolds, left, and Sonya Pancione feel differently about the impeachment inquiry.CreditJason Andrew for The New York Times

    They live in Culpeper, a town that is older than America itself and sits roughly halfway between Washington, D.C. and Charlottesville, Va. where Representative Abigail Spanberger, a freshman Democrat, flipped a seat long held by Republicans

    They are together at the Rusty Willow Boutique, an upscale women’s clothing shop that was preparing for its grand opening where just the mention of Mr. Trump prompted a squabble between Sonya Pancione, 57, the shop’s owner, and Denise Reynolds, 50, one of her best friends from church. Ms. Pancione is dead-set against impeachment.

    “Respect the office. It’s a democracy. People voted for him,” she said.

    Ms. Reynolds loathes Mr. Trump and blames him for inciting racial hatred. She was once excited about his candidacy — “I thought we needed somebody who understood business in that seat,” she said — but says now that if he were impeached and removed from office, “it would not upset me in the least.”

    More on their House Representative:

    Ms. Spanberger, a former C.I.A. officer and federal postal inspector who worked on money laundering cases before joining Congress, reflects the shifting tide. She won her district, which includes Culpeper, narrowly in 2018, casting herself as a moderate who wanted to solve problems like the high cost of prescription drugs. She visited Culpeper this past week, making it the first stop on a two-day “education tour,” but declined an interview for this article.

    For months, she resisted calls for impeachment. But after the Ukraine news broke, she joined six freshman Democrats who have national security backgrounds in writing an opinion piece in The Washington Post to call for Ms. Pelosi to open an inquiry.

    Now Mr. Trump and his allies are targeting vulnerable Democrats like her. In Pennsylvania, Florida, Iowa and other battleground states, scores of Republicans turned out this month for “Stop the Madness!” rallies orchestrated by the Trump campaign. Here in Culpeper, the local party staged its own rally last Saturday.

    “Abigail won on a blue-wave year, and she really won on this whole notion that she was going to go down and be an independent voice, the she wasn’t interested in impeachment, she was really interested in getting things done,” said Nick Freitas, a Republican member of the Virginia House of Delegates, who helped organize the event.

    “And here we are.”

    I'm far from a political expert, but it seems to me that Democrats writing off the possibility of Ms. Pancione's vote because she's a "racist like all Trump supporters", or labeling either woman stupid lost causes who just don't get it, or labeling their representative as a DINO because she's a moderate, is not the way to either win the presidency or the Senate in 2020, nor to keep a majority in the House, for that matter.

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    From a black woman who voted for Trump quoted in the article.

    Ms. Reynolds loathes Mr. Trump and blames him for inciting racial hatred. She was once excited about his candidacy — “I thought we needed somebody who understood business in that seat,” she said — but says now that if he were impeached and removed from office, “it would not upset me in the least.”

    Should she be silent about her truth to appease others? If Trump is re-elected, he will be because a majority of white voters like what he is doing. Decent people will  not vote for Trump.

     


    Crap, I thought you'd posted some sexy time diary on female swingers, Dangerous Rural Housewives or similar.

    Watched a Borat clip from a BBC talk show in 2006, amazing how un-PC he could be at that time (gay acappella group toasted him coming in, female All Saints group was video online for bawdy banter).

    Some debate by black female twitterers thinking some "they" thinks "they" can simply anoint Liz Warren and she'll get 94% of the BF vote like Hillary. Kinda going with a "Liz is racist" vibe? Another aggrieved "we won't hold our nose to vote for X..." pop-up? I have one Facebook friend posting as if Bernie's the messiah of our age type zeal. Waiting for the pack to thin out so we can start our internecine wars for real.

    PS - see link I just posted on Hillbilly Ethics if you were looking for a comment that actually addressed your post.