I recall one of the Lincoln Projects' member tweets, maybe Rick Wilson, right after the debate, teasing him how sweaty he was during some of it. I noticed that too. All the talk about earpieces and the like, wonder if anybody thought of fudging the results of a temperature check?
within 16 minutes of posting, the tweet had 45,000 replies, 160,000 retweets and 144,000 likes.
Edit to add: the hashtag at Twitter most seem to be using on topic is #TrumpHasCovid, though it's going to have so much crap posted with it that I don't know how useful that will be.
This reaction is a better one than most (as one might suspect, there's lots of tasteless schadenfreude that's not even funny dark humor)
Surely conspiracy theories are being created every minute:
MAGAs right now trying to wrap their heads around the fact that the president and first lady have a virus that many of them think is a hoax...#TrumpHasCovidpic.twitter.com/0eH5N3I0Oo
“Aside from the campaign, the symbolism of an infected president could rattle governors and business owners trying to assess when and how to reopen or keep open shops, schools, parks, beaches, restaurants, factories and other workplaces.”
“After White House officials learned of Hicks’ symptoms, Trump & his entourage flew to New Jersey, where he attended a fundraiser & delivered a speech. Trump was in close contact with dozens of other people, including campaign supporters at a roundtable.” https://t.co/c3vRsu4Kwi
8) Because as @AymanM points out, everyone in the debate hall had to test negative just to be there. And testing done by Cleveland Clinic. https://t.co/bxcXgPSdNL
30 minutes before Trump’s announcement, the fail safe planes are put into air to deter foreign adversaries. Part of continuity protocols. As I said, we have a plan. Amazing. https://t.co/c1NxvBsSfU
A reminder to all Americans that the net effect of our prime minister catching COVID-19 was that it prompted a surge of patriotic support. From which he emerged with renewed popularity. Which enabled him to tear up key functions of the state
It also silenced press & parliament at key moment in crisis from asking critical questions. And when it was announced he was moving to intensive care was moment of national shock. Everything about this is rocket fuel for ‘patriotism’
Or is he faking? He has a lot more to gain by "miraculously coming back" for his true believers, God intervenes... Or is it his way of "spending more time with his family" and calling it quits without the shame of being a loser/quitter?
Nothing he says can be believed, so look for the spin and the secretive scuffling of his minions elsewhere.
Agree. October surprise triumph over the awful deadly evil unAmerican Chinese virus.
If he "has it" he would be going very soon, not days, likely hours, to the hospital for IV loading of remdesivir (IV) and other early stage therapy, monitoring etc, even if he then comes back the the WH.
Trump announced in a tweet early Friday that he and Melania Trump had been diagnosed.
In response to the news, Biden tweeted Friday morning that he and his wife, Jill Biden, were sending well-wishes for the duo to have a “swift recovery.”
“We will continue to pray for the health and safety of the president and his family,” he wrote.
RNC chair Rona McDaniel tested positive for COVID on Wednesday.
Ronna McDaniel, the chairwoman of the Republican National Committee, has tested positive for the coronavirus and is experiencing mild symptoms, according to several people briefed on the situation.
Ms. McDaniel is the latest person who is in frequent contact with President Trump to test positive for the virus.
She was last with Mr. Trump last Friday, and has been at her home in Michigan since then, the people briefed on the matter said.
She received her diagnosis on Wednesday, they said. After a crowded donor event in March at Mar-a-Lago, the president’s private club in Florida, Ms. McDaniel fell ill, but she tested negative at the time.
Just hours before President Trump announced that he had tested positive for COVID-19, he was mingling with fundraisers at an event held at his New Jersey golf club—and even posed for personal photo-ops with supporters. The event went ahead after the White House learned that one of the president’s closest aides, Hope Hicks, had tested positive for the disease, according to multiple reports.
Trump was last seen in public Thursday afternoon, when he headed home to the White House after the fundraising trip to Trump National Golf Club in Bedminster. Ahead of that event, attendees were promised a photo-op with the president, and Trump was due to meet with the winner of a raffle organized to raise funds for his campaign. Despite Hicks’ test, the event went ahead as planned
Trump is said to have minor symptoms. He was lethargic at the Bedminster fundraiser, per an attendee. As of last night, officials were discussing treatment options as well as options for addressing the nation. https://t.co/DCq8wCL3B4
President Trump’s diagnosis does not appear to have significantly changed the behavior of some of his closest advisers, who were walking around the White House complex without masks on Friday morning.
A CNN reporter spotted Johnny McEntee, one of Mr. Trump’s top advisers and someone often in proximity to the president, without a mask, on his way to get a coronavirus test.
When the White House chief of staff, Mark Meadows, briefed reporters outside, he too was maskless.
So was Dr. Scott W. Atlas, a Trump adviser who is not an epidemiologist but whose counsel to the president that the virus is not resurging has taken root with Mr. Trump.
Coronavirus adviser not wearing a mask at the WH the day the President of the United States tests positive. https://t.co/LPMDF5F920
Dr. Atlas’s optimistic projections have put him at odds with many members of the White House coronavirus task force, and have sparked alarm among some Trump aides. Mr. Trump has repeatedly mocked mask-wearing and has fostered a culture at the White House where aides have not always felt comfortable covering their faces.
Joseph R. Biden Jr. and his wife, Jill, have tested negative for the coronavirus, their doctor said Friday, just hours after President Trump revealed that he and the first lady, Melania Trump, had tested positive.
“I’m happy to report that Jill and I have tested negative for COVID,” Mr. Biden wrote on Twitter. “Thank you to everyone for your messages of concern. I hope this serves as a reminder: wear a mask, keep social distance, and wash your hands.”
Mr. Biden planned to go ahead with a planned campaign trip to Michigan on Friday, though he had not left Delaware by early afternoon and the timing of his first appearance in Michigan was uncertain.
Mr. Biden’s test result was disclosed in a statement from his primary care physician, Dr. Kevin O’Connor, that was distributed by the campaign. Mr. Biden appeared on the debate stage with Mr. Trump on Tuesday night, though the two stood far apart.
It can take several days after exposure for the virus to reach levels that are detectable by a test. People show symptoms on average around five days after exposure, but as late as 14 days.
Joseph R. Biden Jr. and his wife, Jill, have tested negative for the coronavirus, their doctor said Friday, just hours after President Trump revealed that he and the first lady, Melania Trump, had tested positive.
“I’m happy to report that Jill and I have tested negative for COVID,” Mr. Biden wrote on Twitter. “Thank you to everyone for your messages of concern. I hope this serves as a reminder: wear a mask, keep social distance, and wash your hands.”
Mr. Biden planned to go ahead with a planned campaign trip to Michigan on Friday, though he had not left Delaware by early afternoon and the timing of his first appearance in Michigan was uncertain.
Mr. Biden’s test result was disclosed in a statement from his primary care physician, Dr. Kevin O’Connor, that was distributed by the campaign. Mr. Biden appeared on the debate stage with Mr. Trump on Tuesday night, though the two stood far apart.
It can take several days after exposure for the virus to reach levels that are detectable by a test. People show symptoms on average around five days after exposure, but as late as 14 days [....]
note instructions from Biden campaign to staffers in the above:
In a note sent to staff Friday morning, Mr. Biden’s campaign manager, Jennifer O’Malley Dillon, asked the team to “refrain from posting about the situation on social media unless otherwise directed by your manager,” and promised that “the health and safety of the entire team has been, and will remain, our number one priority.”
Wow. This was Saturday at the White House with Senator Mike Lee of Utah, who has now tested positive for Covid-19. They really thought they were invincible.
More seriously, does piss me off when I see things like this no matter who is doing it. Just in a simplistic jealous way. We would all like life to be back to normal, it hurts. And one wonders whether one is giving up too much to be safe, especially when you meet someone or hear about someone who was being very careful and still caught it.
Both Tillis and Lee are on the Senate Judiciary Committee. As rmrd posted elsewhere on this thread, Amy Comey Barret says she had coronavirus in summer, so prolly has sufficient active immunity. I've got to admit that this unmasked garden party they gave for her really is starting to seem like a Dem plot to derail her nomination without harming her. What other excuse do the participants have?
Look at this picture of the Barret annoumcement reception that just popped up on my feed, look at how close the chairs are packed!
.@shearm: “Like people in a lot of other professions, I realize there’s some element of risk always ... I feel strongly that reporting for the paper is worth some of that risk.” Feel better soon friend https://t.co/9dB1AQF7X5
Politico's on the Supreme disaster garden party with a much better picture
MUST QUARANTINE every single GOP Senator in this photo. They are all close contacts of #COVID19 positive @ThomTillis & @MikeLeeforUtah. Do not let them into Senate floor/office building or near staff for 14 days (or possibly 16-17 days given some w/ extended incubation periods) https://t.co/X1w576rcZG
Miz Kellyanne Conway, who sat right behind Melania in that picture, just confirmed positive (what her daughter had been diagnosing on TicToc--family problems still there,too):
Tonight I tested positive for COVID-19. My symptoms are mild (light cough) and I’m feeling fine. I have begun a quarantine process in consultation with physicians.
As always, my heart is with everyone affected by this global pandemic.
Wow. Supposedly this was one of the indoor events last weekend at the White House. No masks. No distancing. That’s 81-year old Maureen Scalia, widow of the Supreme Court justice, shaking Amy Coney Barrett’s hands. https://t.co/eUHxAF8XtD
Oh, an epidemic. I wish you had made that clear. Most of these guys thought it was a pan-demic and since the wife did all the cooking they thought they were safe.
I'm listening to the live show on Infowars and they are manically putting out as much COVID 19 false info as possible in each segment - the disease, the tests, the vaccines.
this above comment comes back to me: too bad he didn't study in school much, he would have found a lot of inspiration for his fantasy narratives in Greek myths, like the one he is cooking up now about now about a virus-defeating god. (would of course have read up on Narcissus' story more too.)
This, along with that, actually made me think about all the stories I've read about course of the illness:
WH economic advisor Larry Kudlow says Trump has a "very moderate case" of coronavirus. According to health experts who have looked at the data, it can take more than 5 days after symptom onset for those symptoms to worsen. It is too early to know how mild/severe his case may be.
and the nuance of it. Typically once infected, if it's the initial stages of someone who is walking around relatively healthy and not already seriously ill from something else, the patient is told to stay home, quarantine and only call in if--blah blah blah (checklist) happens. They might be given a blood oxygen monitor like Chris Cuomo had, or similar home tests now since they have learned more, depending upon what complications they might expect from that particular patient's history.
But seems almost universal that the first days of infections never require much monitoring much less hospitalization, only quarantine. That the serious problems always occur after damage is done via immune reaction (i.e.,cytokine storm, etc.) or that the patient has/had an unknown underlying condition or physical flaw that covid infection worsens.
And this therefore suggests to me that Trump is not actually following prudent medical procedure, but demanding experimental treatment for prophalactic purposes, when that may not be indicated by wise medical advice. I.E., a very well known side effect of being wealthy and/or powerful is doctor caused illness. In the past, for example, I've seen evidence that presidents risked doctor caused illness from excessive testing and procedures.
Boris Johnson's course of the illness did not exhibit this problem. He followed the usual protocols of "wait and see" before he ended up in hospital. But then he was being treated by a national health system which doesn't have a profit motive to overtest and overtreat.
For some reason one thing I can never forget about Haig is how when I saw him interviewed by Geraldo Rivera, on his show during the early Clinton years I think, Haig kept calling him "Reynaldo". I.E., Well you see, Reynaldo...He was very like a cartoon caricature of a general.
and personally, I don't think this is a bad thing, I think it's a good thing for a president to do. People can judge for themselves the condition he is in, can cut down on the number of outlandish conspiracy theories.
President Trump did not call COVID-19 a hoax, according to AP and other fact-checkers
Claims that President Trump referred to the COVID-19 pandemic as a “hoax” at a rally in February are false, according to The Associated Press, Snopes and FactCheck.org. The president – who confirmed early Friday that he and first lady Melania Trump have tested positive for COVID-19 – was at the time responding to Democratic criticism of his administration’s handling of the pandemic, the AP reported.
Hours before Mr. Trump announced his infection on Twitter, he told an audience that “the end of the pandemic is in sight.”
This was the truth. The white house inner circle and Trump himself getting covid was always what was going to happen in the end. I'm surprised it took this long to happen.
The Obama's taking the high, civilized road, with a little "hint hint" added about "others":
At an event @BarackObama says he and @MichelleObama “extend our best wishes, to Trump and Melania...hopeful that they and others who have been affected by COVID-19 around the country are getting the care that they need, that they are going to be on the path to a speedy recovery.”
warm greetings and best wishes from an old best buddy:
NEW: North Korea's Kim Jong Un sends message to Trump, says he sincerely hopes he and Melania recover from the coronavirus soon. Full English report from KCNA here pic.twitter.com/NdVq6PFdmp
As someone who has represented incarcerated people lacking adequate protections from COVID, I welcome all new converts to the view that even people who have done bad things should not die from a horrible disease.
Donors had to take rapid Covid tests to get into TRUMP's indoor roundtable (& temp. checks for outdoor admittance) last night at Bedminster to ensure they couldn't infect @POTUS.
He didn't return the favor.
He showed up even after the WH knew he was exposed through HOPE HICKS.
One donor who attended the Bedminster fundraiser, former @MorrisGOP chair JOHN SETTE, said "I couldn’t believe it” when @POTUS tested positive hours later.
Sette told me he feels fine & is glad he went, anyway.
"It was a wonderful event. The weather was beautiful.”
Major Chris Wallace reveal--Trump wasn't tested by independent Cleveland Clinic before the debate:
Chris Wallace says Trump showed up too late to the debate to be tested as planned so they had to abide by the "honor system" pic.twitter.com/SonuY7kKD1
I noticed and remembered it because it's an oft mentioned feature of the Nixon/Kennedy debates that Nixon was sweating under the TV lights and Kennedy looked cool and collected.
on what the Kremlin & the far right are doing with the social media situation:
I've written *over and over and over again* that I hope the president recovers. If you want to know what the *Kremlin* plans to do while the president is sick, here's how RT described my tweet below (which you can read for yourself): "openly wishing death on a sitting president." https://t.co/ozOSkrB0oX
PS/ That the Kremlin is already turning benign, relevant, reasonable tweets by left-leaning columnists who want Trump to recover into propaganda tells us exactly what Russia plans to do in the wake of the president's illness. Keep in mind this was an RT "journalist" who did this.
PS2/ My question about the legal and political and administrative and constitutional procedures in the event the president is incapacitated for an extended period of time as a COVID-19 "long hauler" was echoed hours later by the New York Times. It is and was a *mainstream* query.
PS3/ What's scary is that the far-right Daily Wire is doing exactly the same thing as the Kremlin: finding people who've said they hope the president *recovers* and then implying they said the opposite. The far right and the Kremlin are both handling Trump's illness the same way.
PS4/ Essentially, media has handled Trump's illness with enormous sensitivity—as have left-leaning political columnists. But that sensitivity and grace means *nothing* in the face of a coordinated far-right/Kremlin assault on truth that will ply its vile narrative no matter what.
Because the President is sick, Biden pulls all negative ads. Because Trump is Trump he doesn’t. Biden will bring this nation together in a positive way.
No he won't. It's laughable to think pulling ads will do a damn thing. What move will the republicans make in response to it? Not Trump but those supposed good republicans that Biden is gonna sit down with after the election and make nice with. They'll do nothing to make nice, not now, not then. It's delusional to think other wise
I thought the move was to protect the campaign from the charge of cashing in on the development to score political points. Like Trump does before breakfast.
The whole how does one differentiate oneself from the opponent thing.
As a purely political move it may help Biden win votes. I doubt it but I don't know much about why the hoi polloi vote the way they do. But the idea that it will do anything to bring the nation together is just bullshit for fools
WORRIED—you almost **never ever** give someone a clinically untested drug like @Regeneron’s polyclonal antibody drug—unless it’s for compassionate use for someone severely ill, or you’re crazy. Right @VincentRK? This smacks of utter craziness or desperation. #COVID19#TrumpCovidhttps://t.co/Es0SaWA0ac
Feigel Ding has a lot more detail on his feed. I can't stress strongly enough that I have experienced deaths of near and dear who believed 'YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR" with medicine. IT'S SIMPLY NOT TRUE! In many cases just the opposite, the profit motive distorts dangerously. Very dangerous way to think about medicine! Death defying in fact.
It's a stupid thing to argue that the rich and/or powerful get the best treatment. Because they don't! Especially if they are stupid they don't. It's not just money, without smarts the money can make it worse. Smarts and self-awareness is what it's all about. Of course, the practice can't be starved of money either. But people have to start separating the two things. Development of treatments is one thing that can sustain some profit motive, but practice of treatment, never.
Dr Gupta was surprised by the antibody treatment and suggested the doctors may be the ones who are freaking out.
Washington Post says he received the experimental drug remdesivir. It looks like the team is willing to give anything a go.
I am going to send them my special snortable recipe of Hydroxychloroquine cut with a little cocaine to give the ticker a little bump. It has been working great so far.
For the record: If Trump survives, he will assuredly spread doubt that he even had suffered the reproach of contracting COVID. To admit he had it would lose the large part of his base that believes the virus doesn't exist, and of course, make him look weak
"They told me I had the Chinese virus, but I'm not sure, maybe it was the flu."
Nothing else at all will change for him, his mask ridicule will stop, but he won't promote them.
President Trump’s diagnosis did not significantly change the behavior of some of his closest advisers, who were walking around the White House complex without masks on Friday morning.
A CNN reporter spotted Johnny McEntee, one of Mr. Trump’s top advisers and someone often in proximity to the president, without a mask, on his way to get a coronavirus test.
When the White House chief of staff, Mark Meadows, briefed reporters outside, he too was maskless.
So was Dr. Scott W. Atlas, a Trump adviser who is not an epidemiologist but whose counsel to the president that the virus is not resurging has taken root with him.
Effective immediately, National Security Council staff are required to wear masks in all White House common areas and any place social distancing is not possible, additionally staffers are requested not to visit the West Wing unless it is required, according to a staff memo obtained by CNN.
McEnany told Fox News the White House already follows public health procedures, including wearing masks when social distancing is not possible, and will move forward with the same guidelines.
However, a senior White House official told the Associated Press that mask-wearing would remain a “personal choice” for staffers
I’m honest to god struck seeing *current Secret Service agents* ripshit about the *sitting president* because they feel he puts their health at risk. I’m sure others may know if there’s been anything close to that anger but my lord it’s stunning https://t.co/sryzGac3DVpic.twitter.com/Weigmzw6L1
After that, Maggie Haberman also retweeted in the last hour the following tweets by colleagues:
The number of senior level Republican government officials who have contracted the coronavirus is growing by the hour. I don't think there's a parallel in the developed world to what the United States is going through right now.
Trump’s campaign manager Bill Stepien tested positive today for COVID-19, sources familiar w/ the situation tell me & @rachelvscott. Stepien sent an email to staff tonight informing them. “I feel fine and will be back in the office as soon as I am given the green light.”
President Trump: Positive
Kellyanne Conway: Positive
Bill Stepien: Positive
Hope Hicks: Positive
Chris Christie (tbd)
Rudy Giuliani (tbd)
Jason Miller (tbd)
Stephen Miller (tbd)
Popular London Times columnist's 'splainer tweet for his readers:
What is emerging from the White House is a story of such arrogance, stupidity and irresponsibility towards others in their behaviour concerning the virus that it almost beggars belief. It's the SNP MP times a 100.
“The president’s vitals over the last 24 hours were very concerning and the next 48 hours will be critical in terms of his care. We’re still not on a clear path to a full recovery,” the statement said.
all retweeted in a row by George Conway, spouse of infected White House person (among other things)--there's lots more before and after, just go to his feed, he's tweeting like a very angry man
Rethinking a bit:
What if Meadows isn't a fool but is acting responsibly?
What if Trump told docs to put good face on things?
What if Meadows knows it's bad, that Sec. 3 of 25A for temporary transfer of power could be needed? Could he be trying to box Trump in to having to agree?
So Trump tested positive on WEDS, went to two events and then didn’t tell anyone until news leaked out on FRIDAY. One has to wonder that IF NEWS media had not found out, how many others would have been exposed? https://t.co/ksLQEPYJWP
Given the comments by the POTUS physician indicate Trump traveled to a fundraiser on Thurs. after he started coronavirus treatments, one has to wonder if the original plan was to cover up Trump's condition -- and if Bloomberg breaking news about Hicks's positive test changed that
I prob made 50 calls yesterday to try to get accurate information on POTUS’ condition. Heard varying accounts from officials but decided not to run anything bc couldn’t confirm to my satisfaction. Now they send out docs saying all good & anon official saying “very concerning.” https://t.co/GLvTX2uoOC
That's fine. My point is the doctor's presser sucked. The WH's clean up sucked. The WH's clean up of the clean up sucked. Amateur hour soup-to-nuts. Totally open to the idea Meadows screwed up trying to unscrew this. https://t.co/aQSxlz8bh3
Appears WH Chief of Staff Mark Meadows spoke to reporters & contradicted President’s doctor by saying Trump vitals over last 24 hrs were very concerning. Doesn’t give confidence that Chief of Staff wants to be anonymous or that WH & med teams can’t keep story straight. https://t.co/UWnEq4jgih
Chris Christie checks into hospital after positive test:
In consultation with my doctors, I checked myself into Morristown Medical Center this afternoon. While I am feeling good and only have mild symptoms, due to my history of asthma we decided this is an important precautionary measure.
Christie gave Trump one piece of advice as debate coach:
“People who overcome stuttering have a harder time maintaining their train of thought when interrupted.Keep interrupting him and he’ll stumble when he tries to speak. This will enforce the ‘senile’ narrative.”#FuckChristie
— #SeizeTrumpTower #TrumpCrimeFamily (@Koda6504) October 3, 2020
A kinder, gentler, calm, softly speaking President Trump recorded a 4 min. video message to all of us, supposedly from Walter Reed. Looking right at the camera yet! And cracks a bit of a smile sometimes! And OMG he's thankful for many things, that's the strangest, more thank you's maybe than in his whole life. Which I just saw on CNN TV, and I see it was tweeted about an hour ago. These are either some really really good drugs for him, or it's a double just like the movie "Dave":
Brian Stelter of "Reliable Sources retweeted this by NYU journalism professor Jay Rosen:
If I'm a White House reporter, my hypothesis is: They think they can still pull a win out of this. The win is, "See? COVID is no big deal. The president had the sniffles and beat it in a few days." Working backwards from a fantasy outcome, they are struggling to find the script.
PS/ Trump does nothing he doesn't want to do. He owns his doctors. The White House is well-equipped to handle his illness. The story being told now via "leaks" is some bizarro rewrite of a man not wanting his real condition to leak and knowing it won't from a military hospital.
PS2/ Trump is a man who's spent his life abiding in colossal weakness, and having to construct a technicolor fantasyland just to hide that fact from the world. This illness is his nightmare, and he's punishing America with an insane tsunami of nonsense to keep from being "seen."
PS3/ Trump has spent a lifetime telling doctors and lawyers what to do—not the other way around. Only a (false) claim from his doctors that they *couldn't* treat him anywhere *but* Walter Reed would have convinced him, and there's no evidence they would ever dare to lie to him.
PS4/ We know that on Friday Trump was—understandably—scared. He felt vulnerable. He knew press were in the building. He'd successfully used Walter Reed to hide conditions in the past, and he knew the media couldn't get to him there. There's every reason to think he wanted to go.
PS5/ The idea that, on Friday, a 74-year-old with an untreatable deadly illness, 3+ co-morbidities, a very high fever, dropping oxygen levels, unstable vitals, and vocally afraid for his life was refusing to go to a safe, secure, classified hospital for presidents is *insane*.
PS7/ I think that many people in media who have reported on but (apparently) never done any *research* on COVID-19 appear to actually believe it's like the flu—something maybe you can beat in 5-10 days. No. Trump will be suffering from this through the election, or faking health.
U.S president Trump isn’t staying in any old hospital room. Walter Reed Hospital has a six-room presidential suite just for the commander in chief that includes an intensive care unit, a kitchen, a living room, a bedroom, & a dining room with a crystal chandelier. pic.twitter.com/QQVhFYjzLJ
While income tax scofflaw Trump receives the best care America can provide for free, his lawyers will argue Nov. 11, before the Supreme Court, to force immediate cancellation of the healthcare insurance for millions of Americans by outlawing the ACA.
I think for many people downplaying COVID comes across as Trump being unable to protect himself, his wife, and his staff. How can he be trusted to protect the United States?
Trump's base thinks Trump and the Republicans government job is to own the libs, as they have shown, they'll giddily give their lives to watch him and his GOP suck-ups do it.
Today's medical update: Trump is doing great, rarin' to get back campaigning ... yet is being medicated with the steroid dexamethasone, which according to WHO, should only be given to patients with “severe and critical Covid-19.”
You don’t start dexamethasone, Remdesivir and given an experimental antibody cocktail to the President in the setting of low oxygen “dips” unless there’s COVID Pneumonia.
What did his chest imaging show? The American people deserve basic information on their President
According to WIkipedia Baghdad Bob--Mohammed Saeed al-Sahhaf--is alive, living in the U.A.E. Wondering if journalists (or, say, @colbertlateshow producers) have tried talking to him about the Trump Administration's PR practitioners and strategy.
HIs Navy doctor Conley is a 14 year 0-5 rank, a rank and time in service not among the more seasoned or experienced. Also up for 0-6, the competitive promised land for promotion.
An "emergency doctor" not a geriatric long term care or intensive care.
Long term care for Navy doc's, especially 'emergency' docs, mean seeing a resilient 20-25 year old trying to get a sick leave chit, and a day off, before they go to sea within a few days.
John Oliver: “There is something utterly infuriating about watching them hugging each other when many in this country haven’t seen their families for months or have died alone in a hospital” https://t.co/fyqMQ3i0dg
His off-the-charts narcissism stopped amazing me long ago. The refusal of others to stop feeding it is what I continue to find astounding. https://t.co/02Hck7o9z3
BY BROOKE SEIPEL @ TheHill.com, 10/04/20 06:06 PM EDT
An attending physician at Walter Reed Medical Center swiped at President Trump for leaving his hospital room and waving to supporters gathered outside from his motorcade, saying it puts those in the vehicle at risk.
"That Presidential SUV is not only bulletproof, but hermetically sealed against chemical attack. The risk of COVID19 transmission inside is as high as it gets outside of medical procedures. The irresponsibility is astounding. My thoughts are with the Secret Service forced to play," Dr. James P. Phillips, who is also the Chief of Disaster Medicine at George Washington University Emergency Medicine.
"Every single person in the vehicle during that completely unnecessary Presidential 'drive-by' just now has to be quarantined for 14 days. They might get sick. They may die. For political theater. Commanded by Trump to put their lives at risk for theater. This is insanity," he continued [....]
Maggie Haberman (partly retweeted by Rick Wilson!)
Four pieces of information in that briefing: a) Trump's fever was "high" b) Trump's lung scans show "expected findings," unclear what that means but c) Trump is on a steroid the WHO recommends only for "severe and critical" COVID cases and d) Trump's oxygen lvls dropped again Sat
Conley says fever is gone now. He says president not on oxygen right now. The new information is important. Could they be reacting overly cautiously because he’s potus? Maybe but that steroid use in a 74 year old man w breathing probs is a flag and fever can be lowered w medicine
Also - this is a virus that bounces around in terms of good days and bad days till its conclusion, like other viruses, as Conley acknowledged. Unclear what factors they’re using for possible discharge.
Very helpful and clear, from Chair, UCSF Dept of Medicine. Career: What happens when a poli sci major becomes an academic physician. Latest book: The Digital Doctor....
Impressions of today's Walter Reed presser:
a) Conley's mea culpa: “I was trying to reflect the upbeat attitude of the team. Didn’t want to give any information that would steer the course of his illness.” Trump's fingerprints.
But even so, today was only slightly better. (1/8)
b/ Biggest news is that T had 2 episodes of hypoxia (down to 93-94% O2 saturation), & Conley evaded whether sat was ever <90. "Never in low 80s" is all he offered.
c/ Re: Chest CT: "There were some expected findings but nothing of concern." What the hell does that mean?...(2/8)
... But it seems far likelier that they found evidence of pneumonia or other manifestations of Covid lung involvement or inflammation, which is serious and raises the level of concern and risk. (4/8)
f/ Yes, they could give his last doses of IV remdesivir in WH, but still risky to discharge. In RECOVERY trial (which proved value of dexamethasone), mortality rate in TREATMENT group for pts requiring O2 was 23.3% (vs. 26.2% in usual care). A nearly 1-in-4 risk of death. (6/8)
g/ Finally, most tellingly: when T was hypoxic, they tried to put him on O2. "He was adamant he didn't need oxygen." In my 35 years of practice, I've never seen a pt refuse oxygen. It's crazy, & illustrates who is running the show, which may well be scariest thing I heard. (7/8)
Bottom line: it seems like Trump is stable, but remains at high risk, given transient hypoxemia, some findings on chest imaging. The happy talk and evasions are clearly at Trump's direction, putting the docs in a terrible position. No way he's ready for discharge tomorrow. (8/8)
The new use of the term disruption suddenly comes to mind. As in: intentional creative disruption. This is no way to run a presidential election, with reporters mainly concerned with figuring out whether candidates will be in or out of the hospital at any point in time or some such. Talk about distracting the media and the country, sheesh:
We have not heard from or seen Joe Biden in more than 24 hours. This is the latest interaction the press had with him. We’re still waiting on his test results, which the campaign said it would disclose. https://t.co/Jvlt62ZKOw
Amidst all this absolutely predictable, preventable news, I keep thinking about all the service staff and security who were knowingly put in danger across several states. Those are the people who will get my thoughts and prayers.
NEWS: Trump wants to make a dramatic exit from Walter Reed. He plans to walk out the golden front doors on camera, sources tell @SalehaMohsin and me. He's shooting a video inside the hospital first, and then will walk to car and then to Marine One. No plan to speak to press. pic.twitter.com/DqLY6MvyXZ
I will be leaving the great Gibbons Dental Office today at 6:30 P.M. Feeling really good! Don’t be afraid of teeth cleaning. Don’t let it dominate your life. We have developed, under this administration, some really great fluoride & knowledge!
He is so vain, he probably thinks Covid is about him.
He isn't taking his own mortality seriously.
It is as if El Cid insisted upon mounting the horse himself before he died so he could make sure the team got the look right.
3 weeks to go? Could we be so lucky? But what about his taxes, all those incomplete investigations? Kind of bittersweet. Donnie we hardly knew thee (but what we did know was a septic tank of audacious swill and excrement - at least from first and lasting impressions)
I've known cancer patients who are given similar steroids during chemo treatments. They charge them up with energy and doctors have to remind them it is the energy version of a sugar high.
NEWS: @NYMag has confirmed that Pastor Greg Laurie of Harvest Christian Fellowship in Riverside, California has tested POSITIVE for COVID-19. Pastor Laurie was at the Prayer March on the Mall with Mike Pence and Franklin Graham and the ACB Rose Garden event later that day.
Josh Marshall opines that it is not wise for Kamala Harris being in the same room with Pence:
Agree. This is nuts. The most likely scenario at the moment is that Trump hadn’t been tested before the debate. An unimaginable amount of recklessness. Why would anyone trust them. https://t.co/Q9422mjzZw
And given what we know now about airborne indoor transmission, he's probably right, distancing and a plexi partition not enough unless they have a super duper air filtration system.
According to a poll conducted by ABC News and Ipsos nearly three out of four Americans believe that Trump failed to take the “risk of contracting the virus seriously enough” https://t.co/C7NIjZd4zE
Trump is basically filming a campaign commercial outside of the WH without a mask in the presence of photographers. Let me repeat: the president has coronavirus and is walking around without a mask.
Trump used the disease to divert the news cycle from his tax evasion, his calling veterans suckers and American war dead losers, the 210,000 Americans dead on his watch, the millions out of work.
I don't know how to figure out where that video clip is hosted but I can see it says on it "10.7 million views". That's in a couple hours. Talk about ratings...
Not pretty because that one especially makes me think of more than a pet peeve, I've lost more than one near and dear to the syndrome: the mind-over-matter approach to illness. The horror of what he's selling just hit me up close an personal. Denial is not a river in Egypt:
Buck up and be a man, ignore it.
Work through the pain
Think positive (add some hocus pocus on how your thoughts can activate the immune system)
There's so many more. (Got to say that I wouldn't be surprised if Marianne Williamson knew most of them).
Yes, I have lost people who invested in that thinking.
But the worst burn has been from those who didn't accept the gravity of their situation despite very dire incidents.
They put the burden of worry on everyone around them but themselves.
When they died, they left a shit storm of entanglements to be sorted out by the survivors.
a shit storm of entanglements to be sorted out by the survivor
oh do they ever, been there and done that, waaaay beyond what I ever thought I could handle. The only way to attack the mountain and stay sane is baby steps each day, and you know what does? It eats time from your own life, you are basically finishing theirs instead.
Steroids like dex---- have quite a stimulative kick with many people, makes you feel energetic, can't sleep, don't feel you need sleep. Until you crash. The doc likely right, he's not out of the woods.
I saw questions last night whether Parscale admittance to hospital related to NYT report. I would instead look across the Atlantic. This reporting in two hours can only lead to perjury charges for Parscale. https://t.co/2GwlNWQZ8n
And that sort of serves the purpose of making me realize why I am paying attention to stuff like this on this topic. I don't normally do "vox populi" so heavily. But that's what this story is all about, it's about trying to manipulate reality and seeing how people react including in this day and age, manipulating what things go "viral". And it's a game for high stakes, the presidency of the U.S.
As far as Claudia Conway on TicToc, seems she's been proved right more often than not so far. And like a lot of supposedly more powerful people, she's got a lot of followers. So we'll see, what else can we do; without lots of followers, all one can affect is one's own vote, and one can be a watcher and analyzer and do something with that.
Interesting tweet from David Plouffe and one reply to him I thought interesting as well
My days running Presidential campaigns are behind me, but my sense would be "I got COVID, I finally get it, Biden hasn't gotten it, now I'll take it seriously" is the worst closing argument in the history of closing arguments.
You can bet that I’m showing up in person to vote. If any intimidation occurs in my red state polling stations they’ll have fucked with the wrong dude. I’ve lost family and am about to lose my uncle. His lungs hardened and he will die sometime this week. Trump is done. Biden in.
Don’t cry for Donnie, America. The truth is, he never left you is used as a byline at this piece @ The Bulwark:
“Donald Trump’s photo op on the Truman Balcony following his return to the White House with COVID-19 is one of the most disturbing, absorbing, foreign images I can recall...I think this has to be the weirdest shit I have ever seen in my life.” https://t.co/GRdwZbWL6Q
For the Biden campaign to end its noncombative period on social media suggests it thinks these images are extremely damaging for Trump. pic.twitter.com/QcjFnJqJLa
By Aswain Suebsaeng, Sam Stein & Lachlan Markay @ DailyBeast.com, Updated Oct. 05, 2020 10:51PM ET
[....] during his time away from the White House, Trump spent his weekend frantically working the phones, compulsively watching TV, and flagrantly disregarding the advice of his own public-health officials.
“How is it playing?” the president quizzed several advisers and senior aides since Friday, polling them on their thoughts on how his diagnosis was being covered in the press.
He also was scheming. And at the top of his mind, according to three people with knowledge of his private comments, was how to reverse the damage that his campaign may be enduring by him being off the trail. Trump assured confidants that he would be back soon, though he wasn’t sure if he could commit to doing so in the coming week. And he previewed what is set to become the latest of many2020messaging reboots in the past few months.
The president repeatedly claimed that once he recovers from the coronavirus—for which First Lady Melania Trump, his campaign manager, debate sparing partner, press secretary, and other aides also tested positive—he’ll be able to present himself as a conqueror of it, both personally and politically.
The notion might seem far-fetched, considering the poor marks Trump’s received for his handling of the pandemic. But according to the knowledgeable sources, the president insisted that this would be a campaign asset, as he’d be able to say “I know what people are going through,” one of the sources recounted him saying. Allies argued that this could help frame Trump as both resilient and empathetic, which could come in handy in a race where polling shows a wide empathy gap between him and former Vice President Joe Biden.
“He’s become sort of a first responder. He has lived through it and been in the hospital,” Newt Gingrich, a former Republican House speaker and an informal adviser to Trump, said in an interview on Monday. “And he’s fearless. We are not the land of the timid and the home of the scaredy cats.”
By Monday morning, Trump’s campaign had begun test driving this newest 2020 sales pitch, brushing aside the reality that the president’s stubborn flouting of public-health and safety measures had directly contributed to his own infection, not to mention the deaths of 208,000 Americans. Indeed when he arrived back at the White House on Monday night, Trump walked onto the balcony for a photo op, during which he defiantly tore off the mask he was wearing, the heaviness of his breaths making clear that the disease was very much still in his system [....]
from the above frame Trump as both resilient and empathetic, which could come in handy in a race where polling shows a wide empathy gap between him and former Vice President Joe Biden.
Edit to add: as usual, also seems like he's ruined whatever smart intentions there were, having time to ruminate on his own, and flip flop on his handlers, he decided to go more Mussolini....GOTTA BE ME, WHAT ELSE CAN I BE? you can almost see him singing.
Gen. Mark A. Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, along with several of the Pentagon’s most senior uniformed leaders, are quarantining after being exposed to the coronavirus, a Defense Department official said on Tuesday.
The official said almost the entirety of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, including Gen. James C. McConville, the Army chief of staff, are quarantining after Adm. Charles Ray, the vice commandant of the Coast Guard, tested positive for coronavirus.
“We are aware that Vice Commandant Ray has tested positive for Covid-19 and that he was at the Pentagon last week for meetings with other senior military leaders,” Jonathan Hoffman, the Pentagon spokesman, said in a statement released by his office.
“Out of an abundance of caution, all potential close contacts from these meetings are self-quarantining and have been tested this morning,” he added. “No Pentagon contacts have exhibited symptoms and we have no additional positive tests to report at this time.”
More pics from the White House Flickr page....you can see Chad Wolfe is there from DHS. Has anyone asked him about his status? pic.twitter.com/HhjR3KMC8j
Breaking—a number of @ABC News staff w/ direct contact with Chris Christie, who was an ABC News debate pundit, must now go into quarantine. ABC executives are absolutely fuming that Christie’s “reckless behavior is risking the lives of ABC News employees."https://t.co/ZVmcSZE3J2
P.S. For Miller it took 5 days of isolation before it showed:
NEW: Trump adviser and close aide Stephen Miller tested positive for coronavirus today, @HallieJackson reports. He's been working remotely for the last 5 days and has been self-isolating, testing negative every day through yesterday, per a senior administration official.
Maggie Haberman & Ann Karni on what it's like at the White House right now:
.@anniekarni and me on the latest in a White House where people are simultaneously stunned by the virus outbreak there and yet still unconvinced it's a serious illness https://t.co/JdOETmfxYk
My dad was one of the 1,429. He died on Saturday at West Tennessee Healthcare in Dyersburg, TN. It’s not the flu, it’s not just going to disappear, you can’t beat it by being a tough guy. You have no idea how much pain this president has brought families like mine. https://t.co/S3Y73roehO
Crede Bailey, the head of the White House security office, became sick with the coronavirus before the Sept. 26 Rose Garden event, I'm told. https://t.co/h6xtIOzCLD
Comments
Hope Hicks testing positive was the breaking news first, I put some of that on the most recent U.S. Covid thread, starting HERE
by artappraiser on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 12:55am
I recall one of the Lincoln Projects' member tweets, maybe Rick Wilson, right after the debate, teasing him how sweaty he was during some of it. I noticed that too. All the talk about earpieces and the like, wonder if anybody thought of fudging the results of a temperature check?
by artappraiser on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 12:58am
within 16 minutes of posting, the tweet had 45,000 replies, 160,000 retweets and 144,000 likes.
Edit to add: the hashtag at Twitter most seem to be using on topic is #TrumpHasCovid, though it's going to have so much crap posted with it that I don't know how useful that will be.
by artappraiser on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 1:15am
CNN:
by artappraiser on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 1:17am
by artappraiser on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 1:30am
This reaction is a better one than most (as one might suspect, there's lots of tasteless schadenfreude that's not even funny dark humor)
Surely conspiracy theories are being created every minute:
Wondering if Qanon sort of filters the best ones?
by artappraiser on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 1:28am
by artappraiser on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 1:36am
TRUMP took EVERY precaution from day one, every day, didn't miss a day, people were amazed!
People, most people, many people, everyone around the world wonder how this could have happened to him!
Show's it's FAUCI's fault!
by NCD on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 8:45am
Not only the best PEOPLE, he has the best VIRUSES. ( I hear it's not even the China virus - this one's made in the USA)
by PeraclesPlease on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 8:57am
by artappraiser on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 1:38am
by artappraiser on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 1:41am
by artappraiser on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 1:43am
by artappraiser on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 1:47am
Wut! There's a line? But Butch, we never had no lines before.
by PeraclesPlease on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 2:26am
This is a good one, mho
:
by artappraiser on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 3:21am
Maybe this will all result in blue and red state America finally socially distancing from one another
by Orion on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 4:30am
Kai Ryssdal of "Marketplace":
by artappraiser on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 1:51am
by artappraiser on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 1:53am
by artappraiser on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 2:00am
by artappraiser on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 2:28am
by artappraiser on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 2:34am
I tink it is amazing that he told someone else he was gonna tweet it before he did so!
by artappraiser on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 2:43am
by artappraiser on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 2:47am
by artappraiser on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 3:24am
Or is he faking? He has a lot more to gain by "miraculously coming back" for his true believers, God intervenes... Or is it his way of "spending more time with his family" and calling it quits without the shame of being a loser/quitter?
Nothing he says can be believed, so look for the spin and the secretive scuffling of his minions elsewhere.
by PeraclesPlease on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 3:43am
Agree. October surprise triumph over the awful deadly evil unAmerican Chinese virus.
If he "has it" he would be going very soon, not days, likely hours, to the hospital for IV loading of remdesivir (IV) and other early stage therapy, monitoring etc, even if he then comes back the the WH.
by NCD on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 8:22am
Surely bleach and advanced versions of Putin's vaccine shoulda worked. I bet this is just liberal rumor-mongering, looking for the worst.
by PeraclesPlease on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 8:59am
If so, it's not having the intended effect. see McNab downthread.
by artappraiser on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 2:38pm
Wow.
by Orion on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 3:51am
Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden sent his regards to President Donald Trump and first lady Melania Trump after the pair tested positive for the coronavirus.
Trump announced in a tweet early Friday that he and Melania Trump had been diagnosed.
In response to the news, Biden tweeted Friday morning that he and his wife, Jill Biden, were sending well-wishes for the duo to have a “swift recovery.”
“We will continue to pray for the health and safety of the president and his family,” he wrote.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/biden-trump-covid-response_n_5f7723e9c5b66377b280fa13
by rmrd0000 on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 9:58am
America, stand back and stand by.
by moat on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 10:05am
now that is a REALLY good one!
by artappraiser on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 12:56pm
RNC chair Rona McDaniel tested positive for COVID on Wednesday.
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/10/02/us/trump-vs-biden#ronna-mcdaniel-chairwoman-of-the-rnc-tests-positive-for-the-coronavirus
by rmrd0000 on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 10:54am
Just hours before President Trump announced that he had tested positive for COVID-19, he was mingling with fundraisers at an event held at his New Jersey golf club—and even posed for personal photo-ops with supporters. The event went ahead after the White House learned that one of the president’s closest aides, Hope Hicks, had tested positive for the disease, according to multiple reports.
Trump was last seen in public Thursday afternoon, when he headed home to the White House after the fundraising trip to Trump National Golf Club in Bedminster. Ahead of that event, attendees were promised a photo-op with the president, and Trump was due to meet with the winner of a raffle organized to raise funds for his campaign. Despite Hicks’ test, the event went ahead as planned
https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-went-ahead-with-golf-club-fundraiser-after-hicks-tested-positive?ref=home
by rmrd0000 on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 11:20am
by artappraiser on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 1:04pm
Trump tested positive, but White House aides still aren’t wearing masks.
@ NYTimes Live Election Updates, Oct. 2
by artappraiser on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 1:09pm
Biden plans to campaign in Michigan after testing negative.
@ NYTimes.com Live Election Updates, Oct. 2
by artappraiser on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 1:14pm
note instructions from Biden campaign to staffers in the above:
by artappraiser on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 1:15pm
Biden tested negative
by rmrd0000 on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 1:14pm
COVID.
Positive:
Negative:
https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/trump-tests-positive-covid/card/MtblBp9GD9jtXsOHNE3f
Barr tested negative
Miller not included in WSJ list.
by rmrd0000 on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 1:25pm
by artappraiser on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 1:30pm
Dammit, I was ready to post. These crazy adorable kids, just enjoying spring break, having a good time...
by PeraclesPlease on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 1:38pm
They got the herd mentality right there! And I thought socialists were the ones that socialized the most...
by artappraiser on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 1:43pm
More seriously, does piss me off when I see things like this no matter who is doing it. Just in a simplistic jealous way. We would all like life to be back to normal, it hurts. And one wonders whether one is giving up too much to be safe, especially when you meet someone or hear about someone who was being very careful and still caught it.
by artappraiser on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 1:46pm
oh my god, is like an epidemic going on or something?
by artappraiser on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 8:07pm
Gosh darn it, hanging around with Senior Republicans is bad for your health!
by moat on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 8:24pm
Both Tillis and Lee are on the Senate Judiciary Committee. As rmrd posted elsewhere on this thread, Amy Comey Barret says she had coronavirus in summer, so prolly has sufficient active immunity. I've got to admit that this unmasked garden party they gave for her really is starting to seem like a Dem plot to derail her nomination without harming her. What other excuse do the participants have?
by artappraiser on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 8:55pm
Look at this picture of the Barret annoumcement reception that just popped up on my feed, look at how close the chairs are packed!
by artappraiser on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 8:59pm
Politico's on the Supreme disaster garden party with a much better picture
by artappraiser on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 9:37pm
by PeraclesPlease on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 9:55pm
Miz Kellyanne Conway, who sat right behind Melania in that picture, just confirmed positive (what her daughter had been diagnosing on TicToc--family problems still there,too):
I should mention that I've read now that there were related indoor visitors too.
by artappraiser on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 10:18pm
oy, hubbie all alone on the computer in his own room:
by artappraiser on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 10:21pm
Trump has eradicated COVID, just some embers left.
by NCD on Sat, 10/03/2020 - 12:08am
If you don't like rake the leaves, tho....those embers...wouldn't be Trump's fault...Did he catch it in a blue state, that's the question.
by artappraiser on Sat, 10/03/2020 - 12:23am
by PeraclesPlease on Sat, 10/03/2020 - 6:21am
by artappraiser on Sat, 10/03/2020 - 2:00am
is like an epidemic going on or something?
Oh, an epidemic. I wish you had made that clear. Most of these guys thought it was a pan-demic and since the wife did all the cooking they thought they were safe.
by ocean-kat on Sat, 10/03/2020 - 12:55am
Confused with a pandemonium, and they thought liberals did all the moaning
by PeraclesPlease on Sat, 10/03/2020 - 5:37am
(more on that thread)
by artappraiser on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 2:07pm
by artappraiser on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 2:37pm
Amy Coney Barrett had COVID in the summer
https://time.com/5895544/amy-coney-barrett-covid-19/
by rmrd0000 on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 2:16pm
by artappraiser on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 2:57pm
this above comment comes back to me: too bad he didn't study in school much, he would have found a lot of inspiration for his fantasy narratives in Greek myths, like the one he is cooking up now about now about a virus-defeating god. (would of course have read up on Narcissus' story more too.)
by artappraiser on Sun, 10/04/2020 - 4:04pm
by artappraiser on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 4:36pm
Thank God Trump, Trump, Trump and Trump are doing well!
The President did it for us. For Freedumb.
He's gone from mildly symptomatic, to hoarse, to fatigued to feverish.
by NCD on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 4:51pm
This, along with that, actually made me think about all the stories I've read about course of the illness:
and the nuance of it. Typically once infected, if it's the initial stages of someone who is walking around relatively healthy and not already seriously ill from something else, the patient is told to stay home, quarantine and only call in if--blah blah blah (checklist) happens. They might be given a blood oxygen monitor like Chris Cuomo had, or similar home tests now since they have learned more, depending upon what complications they might expect from that particular patient's history.
But seems almost universal that the first days of infections never require much monitoring much less hospitalization, only quarantine. That the serious problems always occur after damage is done via immune reaction (i.e.,cytokine storm, etc.) or that the patient has/had an unknown underlying condition or physical flaw that covid infection worsens.
And this therefore suggests to me that Trump is not actually following prudent medical procedure, but demanding experimental treatment for prophalactic purposes, when that may not be indicated by wise medical advice. I.E., a very well known side effect of being wealthy and/or powerful is doctor caused illness. In the past, for example, I've seen evidence that presidents risked doctor caused illness from excessive testing and procedures.
Boris Johnson's course of the illness did not exhibit this problem. He followed the usual protocols of "wait and see" before he ended up in hospital. But then he was being treated by a national health system which doesn't have a profit motive to overtest and overtreat.
by artappraiser on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 5:11pm
Just reported, he is being hospitalized.
Will he take his tweeter, will he have the energy to summon up the Proud Boys?
by NCD on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 5:45pm
joke about that only old news junkies will git:
For some reason one thing I can never forget about Haig is how when I saw him interviewed by Geraldo Rivera, on his show during the early Clinton years I think, Haig kept calling him "Reynaldo". I.E., Well you see, Reynaldo...He was very like a cartoon caricature of a general.
by artappraiser on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 6:00pm
and forget what I said, as these people remind me of a situation that's probably true:
by artappraiser on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 6:05pm
he just tweeted a video before he got on the chopper, hah!
by artappraiser on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 6:27pm
and personally, I don't think this is a bad thing, I think it's a good thing for a president to do. People can judge for themselves the condition he is in, can cut down on the number of outlandish conspiracy theories.
by artappraiser on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 6:29pm
by artappraiser on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 5:43pm
@ Twitter news, Oct. 2
THAT SAID, "some very fine people" might have.
by artappraiser on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 5:48pm
Hours before Mr. Trump announced his infection on Twitter, he told an audience that “the end of the pandemic is in sight.”
This was the truth. The white house inner circle and Trump himself getting covid was always what was going to happen in the end. I'm surprised it took this long to happen.
by ocean-kat on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 6:12pm
Yes, he believed his own hype.
Successful dealers stay away from the product.
by moat on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 6:34pm
The Obama's taking the high, civilized road, with a little "hint hint" added about "others":
by artappraiser on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 6:33pm
by PeraclesPlease on Sat, 10/03/2020 - 9:47am
warm greetings and best wishes from an old best buddy:
by artappraiser on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 6:37pm
by artappraiser on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 6:47pm
by artappraiser on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 6:48pm
and on what happens if he can't run, Seth Abramson recommends:
by artappraiser on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 7:01pm
by artappraiser on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 6:52pm
by artappraiser on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 6:56pm
Ken Vogel, contact tracer extraordinaire:
by artappraiser on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 7:08pm
Major Chris Wallace reveal--Trump wasn't tested by independent Cleveland Clinic before the debate:
by artappraiser on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 7:11pm
Honor systems are for losers.
These Fox snowflakes are really annoying.
by moat on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 7:20pm
You have to admire Wallace for being able to say, "We relied on the honor system." without laughing.
by ocean-kat on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 7:26pm
found the debate tweet I remembered because he appeared the same to me: and he's sweaty
I noticed and remembered it because it's an oft mentioned feature of the Nixon/Kennedy debates that Nixon was sweating under the TV lights and Kennedy looked cool and collected.
by artappraiser on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 7:21pm
on what the Kremlin & the far right are doing with the social media situation:
by artappraiser on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 7:53pm
related!
Oh the irony to have to say: which side are you on, brother, the uniters or the dividers?
by artappraiser on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 7:59pm
No he won't. It's laughable to think pulling ads will do a damn thing. What move will the republicans make in response to it? Not Trump but those supposed good republicans that Biden is gonna sit down with after the election and make nice with. They'll do nothing to make nice, not now, not then. It's delusional to think other wise
by ocean-kat on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 8:38pm
I thought the move was to protect the campaign from the charge of cashing in on the development to score political points. Like Trump does before breakfast.
The whole how does one differentiate oneself from the opponent thing.
by moat on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 9:09pm
As a purely political move it may help Biden win votes. I doubt it but I don't know much about why the hoi polloi vote the way they do. But the idea that it will do anything to bring the nation together is just bullshit for fools
by ocean-kat on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 9:24pm
I note comments to the above that are EXACTLY like I was trying to express upthread. The first comment here perfectly said.
Feigel Ding has a lot more detail on his feed. I can't stress strongly enough that I have experienced deaths of near and dear who believed 'YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR" with medicine. IT'S SIMPLY NOT TRUE! In many cases just the opposite, the profit motive distorts dangerously. Very dangerous way to think about medicine! Death defying in fact.
It's a stupid thing to argue that the rich and/or powerful get the best treatment. Because they don't! Especially if they are stupid they don't. It's not just money, without smarts the money can make it worse. Smarts and self-awareness is what it's all about. Of course, the practice can't be starved of money either. But people have to start separating the two things. Development of treatments is one thing that can sustain some profit motive, but practice of treatment, never.
by artappraiser on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 8:26pm
by artappraiser on Sat, 10/03/2020 - 5:21am
Dr Gupta was surprised by the antibody treatment and suggested the doctors may be the ones who are freaking out.
Washington Post says he received the experimental drug remdesivir. It looks like the team is willing to give anything a go.
I am going to send them my special snortable recipe of Hydroxychloroquine cut with a little cocaine to give the ticker a little bump. It has been working great so far.
by moat on Sat, 10/03/2020 - 9:20am
For the record: If Trump survives, he will assuredly spread doubt that he even had suffered the reproach of contracting COVID. To admit he had it would lose the large part of his base that believes the virus doesn't exist, and of course, make him look weak
Nothing else at all will change for him, his mask ridicule will stop, but he won't promote them.
by NCD on Sat, 10/03/2020 - 9:27am
Another possibility is that he won't wear a mask because he now feels protected from re-infection.
Edit to add:
There were WH staff not wearing masks when Trump left for Walter Reed
by rmrd0000 on Sat, 10/03/2020 - 10:02am
See picture upthread, staff watching him leave, all wearing masks, in tweet by Reed Galen of Lincoln project, suggesting they are scared
by artappraiser on Sat, 10/03/2020 - 3:58pm
From the NYT
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/10/02/us/trump-vs-biden#trump-tested-positive-but-the-white-house-is-still-not-requiring-people-to-wear-masks
Noted in the article
by rmrd0000 on Sat, 10/03/2020 - 6:04pm
From Forbes
https://www.forbes.com/sites/elanagross/2020/10/02/national-security-council-staff-told-to-wear-masks-white-house-rules-still-make-them-optional/#cf910421465d
by rmrd0000 on Sat, 10/03/2020 - 6:09pm
by artappraiser on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 8:43pm
Trump campaign manager Bill Stiepen tested positive
After that, Maggie Haberman also retweeted in the last hour the following tweets by colleagues:
by artappraiser on Sat, 10/03/2020 - 1:50am
Popular London Times columnist's 'splainer tweet for his readers:
by artappraiser on Sat, 10/03/2020 - 3:21am
It gets better...
by PeraclesPlease on Sat, 10/03/2020 - 2:12pm
Meadows is not shaking pom poms:
“The president’s vitals over the last 24 hours were very concerning and the next 48 hours will be critical in terms of his care. We’re still not on a clear path to a full recovery,” the statement said.
by moat on Sat, 10/03/2020 - 4:01pm
all retweeted in a row by George Conway, spouse of infected White House person (among other things)--there's lots more before and after, just go to his feed, he's tweeting like a very angry man
by artappraiser on Sat, 10/03/2020 - 4:18pm
Yeah, I give credence to Meadows giving background skinny.
by PeraclesPlease on Sat, 10/03/2020 - 4:25pm
Chris Christie checks into hospital after positive test:
there's more, it's a thread
by artappraiser on Sat, 10/03/2020 - 8:00pm
by PeraclesPlease on Sat, 10/03/2020 - 9:59pm
A kinder, gentler, calm, softly speaking President Trump recorded a 4 min. video message to all of us, supposedly from Walter Reed. Looking right at the camera yet! And cracks a bit of a smile sometimes! And OMG he's thankful for many things, that's the strangest, more thank you's maybe than in his whole life. Which I just saw on CNN TV, and I see it was tweeted about an hour ago. These are either some really really good drugs for him, or it's a double just like the movie "Dave":
by artappraiser on Sat, 10/03/2020 - 8:10pm
and I see that 6 hrs. ago, he tweeted a message for what the kids should be doing while dad's gone:
by artappraiser on Sat, 10/03/2020 - 8:14pm
oh puhleez Gov. Cuomo, lock em up on S.I. Blow up the Verrazano Bridge and dock the ferries!
by artappraiser on Sat, 10/03/2020 - 8:22pm
Brian Stelter of "Reliable Sources retweeted this by NYU journalism professor Jay Rosen:
by artappraiser on Sat, 10/03/2020 - 9:46pm
Seductive reasoning by Abramson
by artappraiser on Sun, 10/04/2020 - 1:14am
by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 10/04/2020 - 2:18am
by artappraiser on Sun, 10/04/2020 - 3:25am
While income tax scofflaw Trump receives the best care America can provide for free, his lawyers will argue Nov. 11, before the Supreme Court, to force immediate cancellation of the healthcare insurance for millions of Americans by outlawing the ACA.
by NCD on Sun, 10/04/2020 - 9:46am
Lincoln Project, r u listning?
by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 10/04/2020 - 10:50am
If Biden wins, what steps will be taken to cleanse the White House during the inauguration?
by rmrd0000 on Sun, 10/04/2020 - 9:33am
Trump's bodyman tests positive for COVID
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-10-04/trump-aide-luna-tests-positive-for-virus-in-new-white-house-case?srnd=premium
I think for many people downplaying COVID comes across as Trump being unable to protect himself, his wife, and his staff. How can he be trusted to protect the United States?
by rmrd0000 on Sun, 10/04/2020 - 12:15pm
Trump's base thinks Trump and the Republicans government job is to own the libs, as they have shown, they'll giddily give their lives to watch him and his GOP suck-ups do it.
Today's medical update: Trump is doing great, rarin' to get back campaigning ... yet is being medicated with the steroid dexamethasone, which according to WHO, should only be given to patients with “severe and critical Covid-19.”
by NCD on Sun, 10/04/2020 - 12:38pm
It not only gives contradictory information about his condition but doesn't makes sense with the earlier cocktails.
by moat on Sun, 10/04/2020 - 1:41pm
Dr. Gupta confirms Dr. moat's diagnosis:
by artappraiser on Sun, 10/04/2020 - 2:33pm
by artappraiser on Sun, 10/04/2020 - 2:35pm
Same opinion, said another way:
by artappraiser on Sun, 10/04/2020 - 2:48pm
HIs Navy doctor Conley is a 14 year 0-5 rank, a rank and time in service not among the more seasoned or experienced. Also up for 0-6, the competitive promised land for promotion.
An "emergency doctor" not a geriatric long term care or intensive care.
Long term care for Navy doc's, especially 'emergency' docs, mean seeing a resilient 20-25 year old trying to get a sick leave chit, and a day off, before they go to sea within a few days.
by NCD on Sun, 10/04/2020 - 2:36pm
Mark Meadows in trouble for not talking things up:
& Jared in control:
by artappraiser on Sun, 10/04/2020 - 2:22pm
So, Jared doesn't want Pence in town when the POTUS kicks?
What the hell is he thinking?
by moat on Sun, 10/04/2020 - 2:42pm
Enquiring minds want to know if this opinion is informed by something the wife said or something Philippe said:
Phillipe just retweeted it...confusing
by artappraiser on Sun, 10/04/2020 - 4:11pm
And Bill Barr signs up to be the super spreader while others languish in hospitals and quarantine.
by moat on Sun, 10/04/2020 - 5:08pm
boggles the mind to see someone that hubristic about possibility of catching something; at least Trump has his germaphobe side
by artappraiser on Sun, 10/04/2020 - 5:22pm
by artappraiser on Mon, 10/05/2020 - 2:02am
by artappraiser on Sun, 10/04/2020 - 5:19pm
by artappraiser on Sun, 10/04/2020 - 5:46pm
by artappraiser on Sun, 10/04/2020 - 6:04pm
by artappraiser on Sun, 10/04/2020 - 6:13pm
Walter Reed attending physician swipes at Trump for motorcade visit to supporters
BY BROOKE SEIPEL @ TheHill.com, 10/04/20 06:06 PM EDT
by artappraiser on Sun, 10/04/2020 - 6:52pm
Maggie Haberman (partly retweeted by Rick Wilson!)
by artappraiser on Sun, 10/04/2020 - 6:10pm
Very helpful and clear, from Chair, UCSF Dept of Medicine. Career: What happens when a poli sci major becomes an academic physician. Latest book: The Digital Doctor....
by artappraiser on Mon, 10/05/2020 - 12:48am
The new use of the term disruption suddenly comes to mind. As in: intentional creative disruption. This is no way to run a presidential election, with reporters mainly concerned with figuring out whether candidates will be in or out of the hospital at any point in time or some such. Talk about distracting the media and the country, sheesh:
Yes, coronavirus policy is the most pressing priority in this country. But not how it affects just two people.
by artappraiser on Sun, 10/04/2020 - 7:18pm
Okay, here's the update:
But my point: this reporter is like spending a full day on this!
by artappraiser on Sun, 10/04/2020 - 7:28pm
Well, having your candidate die during the process is fairly disruptive.
by moat on Sun, 10/04/2020 - 7:33pm
Trump's non-taxes, FinCEN laundering, Parscale skimming, Ivanka double dipping, Putin election hacking...
by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 10/04/2020 - 10:32pm
by artappraiser on Mon, 10/05/2020 - 12:12am
Press secretary tests positive
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/05/trump-press-secretary-kayleigh-mcenany-tests-positive-for-coronavirus.html
by rmrd0000 on Mon, 10/05/2020 - 11:52am
Will certainly be interesting to see how she spins that. Edit to add: oops, I see she already has:
by artappraiser on Mon, 10/05/2020 - 4:34pm
Trump is going home.
I don't wish him any harm.
I also have to be honest and say that I don't care how he does.
by rmrd0000 on Mon, 10/05/2020 - 5:10pm
RATINGS!
by artappraiser on Mon, 10/05/2020 - 6:08pm
by artappraiser on Mon, 10/05/2020 - 6:09pm
"it's only a toothache" - Herman 'Novo' Caine
by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 10/05/2020 - 6:14pm
nor other human beings...they are just ratings...
by artappraiser on Mon, 10/05/2020 - 6:28pm
He is so vain, he probably thinks Covid is about him.
He isn't taking his own mortality seriously.
It is as if El Cid insisted upon mounting the horse himself before he died so he could make sure the team got the look right.
by moat on Mon, 10/05/2020 - 7:03pm
He is so vain, he probably thinks Covid is about him.
It's overwhelming sometimes how good you are at pinpointing personality peccadilloes with words. Really.
by artappraiser on Mon, 10/05/2020 - 7:29pm
I am ripping off Carly Simon.
It takes a village.
by moat on Mon, 10/05/2020 - 7:56pm
I got that. You have a lot of village in your brain.
by artappraiser on Mon, 10/05/2020 - 8:01pm
Twitter "Politics Trending": People are sharing the late Herman Cain’s COVID-19 timeline as President Trump prepares to leave Walter Reed hospital on Monday
by artappraiser on Mon, 10/05/2020 - 6:32pm
3 weeks to go? Could we be so lucky? But what about his taxes, all those incomplete investigations? Kind of bittersweet. Donnie we hardly knew thee (but what we did know was a septic tank of audacious swill and excrement - at least from first and lasting impressions)
by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 10/05/2020 - 6:56pm
Steroid Superman Syndrome (read comments)
by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 10/05/2020 - 7:18pm
NYMag does contact tracing for Pence:
by artappraiser on Mon, 10/05/2020 - 6:23pm
Josh Marshall opines that it is not wise for Kamala Harris being in the same room with Pence:
And given what we know now about airborne indoor transmission, he's probably right, distancing and a plexi partition not enough unless they have a super duper air filtration system.
by artappraiser on Mon, 10/05/2020 - 8:05pm
Oates previous to that retweeted:this:
by artappraiser on Mon, 10/05/2020 - 7:01pm
gonna get ratings even if it kills him?
by artappraiser on Mon, 10/05/2020 - 7:08pm
The gasping video.
Tweeter is in charge of video for "The Recount" show, so pretty safe to presume is not altered.
by artappraiser on Mon, 10/05/2020 - 7:25pm
I figured an orgasm as he thinks how sexy and virile he looks.
by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 10/05/2020 - 7:34pm
That is straight up COPD. Probably was on the tank once out of view.
by moat on Mon, 10/05/2020 - 8:29pm
I don't know how to figure out where that video clip is hosted but I can see it says on it "10.7 million views". That's in a couple hours. Talk about ratings...
by artappraiser on Mon, 10/05/2020 - 10:51pm
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 10/06/2020 - 12:46am
Not pretty because that one especially makes me think of more than a pet peeve, I've lost more than one near and dear to the syndrome: the mind-over-matter approach to illness. The horror of what he's selling just hit me up close an personal. Denial is not a river in Egypt:
There's so many more. (Got to say that I wouldn't be surprised if Marianne Williamson knew most of them).
by artappraiser on Tue, 10/06/2020 - 1:15am
Yes, I have lost people who invested in that thinking.
But the worst burn has been from those who didn't accept the gravity of their situation despite very dire incidents.
They put the burden of worry on everyone around them but themselves.
When they died, they left a shit storm of entanglements to be sorted out by the survivors.
by moat on Tue, 10/06/2020 - 6:16pm
a shit storm of entanglements to be sorted out by the survivor
oh do they ever, been there and done that, waaaay beyond what I ever thought I could handle. The only way to attack the mountain and stay sane is baby steps each day, and you know what does? It eats time from your own life, you are basically finishing theirs instead.
by artappraiser on Tue, 10/06/2020 - 6:54pm
Maybe some of that is inevitable.
But putting in a bit of effort beforehand will be appreciated.
by moat on Tue, 10/06/2020 - 7:04pm
Steroids like dex---- have quite a stimulative kick with many people, makes you feel energetic, can't sleep, don't feel you need sleep. Until you crash. The doc likely right, he's not out of the woods.
by NCD on Mon, 10/05/2020 - 8:58pm
And black vote suppression in 2016
by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 10/05/2020 - 7:11pm
there's more big news in another poll, though they got a lower figure on the covid question, he's finally crashing on the overall approval:
by artappraiser on Mon, 10/05/2020 - 7:45pm
by artappraiser on Mon, 10/05/2020 - 8:12pm
Kellyanne Conway daughter tests positive
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8804621/Kellyanne-Conways-daughter-15-announces-COVID-TikTok.html
by rmrd0000 on Mon, 10/05/2020 - 9:06pm
She's on my "Twitter Politics trending" again, but it's not that, it's this:
Claudia Conway, Kellyanne Conway’s teenage daughter, alleges on TikTok that President Trump is doing worse than he or his doctors are letting on
Right now, the top tweet at that link is this
And that sort of serves the purpose of making me realize why I am paying attention to stuff like this on this topic. I don't normally do "vox populi" so heavily. But that's what this story is all about, it's about trying to manipulate reality and seeing how people react including in this day and age, manipulating what things go "viral". And it's a game for high stakes, the presidency of the U.S.
As far as Claudia Conway on TicToc, seems she's been proved right more often than not so far. And like a lot of supposedly more powerful people, she's got a lot of followers. So we'll see, what else can we do; without lots of followers, all one can affect is one's own vote, and one can be a watcher and analyzer and do something with that.
by artappraiser on Mon, 10/05/2020 - 10:39pm
p.s. oh I see,I missed it at first, that line on my trending politics section does say at the end, in smaller letters, trending with Mussolini, heh.
by artappraiser on Mon, 10/05/2020 - 10:45pm
Interesting tweet from David Plouffe and one reply to him I thought interesting as well
by artappraiser on Mon, 10/05/2020 - 11:06pm
TRUMP DIGS COVID..!! He'd like to give it to YOU!
A winner?
by NCD on Mon, 10/05/2020 - 11:24pm
by artappraiser on Mon, 10/05/2020 - 11:02pm
don't cry for me, Argentina:
by artappraiser on Mon, 10/05/2020 - 11:16pm
I kept my promise??!?!
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 10/06/2020 - 12:26am
Don’t cry for Donnie, America. The truth is, he never left you is used as a byline at this piece @ The Bulwark:
by artappraiser on Tue, 10/06/2020 - 1:15am
This speech so kray-kray
I kept waiting for some punchline or closure, but then I realized it was just his Twitter feed. This is where he's fallen and can't get up.
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 10/06/2020 - 1:30am
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 10/06/2020 - 12:49am
by artappraiser on Tue, 10/06/2020 - 1:28am
Trump Actually Believes He Can Sell Himself to America as a COVID-Conquering Hero. The president spent his time in Walter Reed quizzing advisers about how his disease was “playing” in the press. He was also scheming.
By Aswain Suebsaeng, Sam Stein & Lachlan Markay @ DailyBeast.com, Updated Oct. 05, 2020 10:51PM ET
by artappraiser on Tue, 10/06/2020 - 2:26am
from the above frame Trump as both resilient and empathetic, which could come in handy in a race where polling shows a wide empathy gap between him and former Vice President Joe Biden.
A reminder that Saturday night, before he left the White House for Walter Reed, in this video way upthread he was already affecting a kindler, gentler softly speaking character. So trying to bridge the empathy gap, that's someone else's idea, not his. Could be a pro or not, could also be Melania or Jvanka....
Edit to add: as usual, also seems like he's ruined whatever smart intentions there were, having time to ruminate on his own, and flip flop on his handlers, he decided to go more Mussolini....GOTTA BE ME, WHAT ELSE CAN I BE? you can almost see him singing.
by artappraiser on Tue, 10/06/2020 - 3:04am
Two of press secretary's staffers test positive
https://edition.cnn.com/politics/live-news/trump-covid-19-updates-monday/h_2bfcf7fc5590c32a9371fd79464a1b49
by rmrd0000 on Tue, 10/06/2020 - 10:27am
Aha, things have changed
. At this point Team Joe likes the situation of the media being obsessed with all things Trump:
by artappraiser on Tue, 10/06/2020 - 10:38am
He is and videographer are with WaPo.
by artappraiser on Tue, 10/06/2020 - 10:45am
Top military leaders in quarantine
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/10/06/us/trump-covid-live-updates?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage#top-us-military-leaders-including-the-chairman-of-the-joint-chiefs-of-staff-are-quarantining-after-being-exposed-to-the-virus
by rmrd0000 on Tue, 10/06/2020 - 3:07pm
Infecting Gold Star mothers
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 10/06/2020 - 6:10pm
the spreading is going super
by artappraiser on Tue, 10/06/2020 - 4:28pm
YUGE, contacting allover the place, getting a good start on herd mentality?
by artappraiser on Tue, 10/06/2020 - 10:17pm
by artappraiser on Tue, 10/06/2020 - 6:44pm
P.S. For Miller it took 5 days of isolation before it showed:
by artappraiser on Tue, 10/06/2020 - 6:58pm
Stephen Miller inhales the Covid mist.
Edit: Whoops, previously reported.
by moat on Tue, 10/06/2020 - 9:32pm
Maggie Haberman & Ann Karni on what it's like at the White House right now:
by artappraiser on Tue, 10/06/2020 - 9:53pm
Well, you can guess what Human Resources wanted to see on their resumes.
by moat on Tue, 10/06/2020 - 9:55pm
by artappraiser on Wed, 10/07/2020 - 3:15am
by artappraiser on Thu, 10/08/2020 - 12:17am