"Compelling evidence points to a big cost associated with ideological bubbles: They make us more confident that we know everything, more set and extreme in our views, more prone to groupthink, more vulnerable to fallacies, and less circumspect."https://t.co/qQ1LvYd1c0
"Mainstream media organizations should work to maintain ideological diversity during this shift, even if that causes tensions among the staff members least tolerant of ideas they don’t share."https://t.co/qQ1LvYd1c0
Like Andrew Sullivan, who joined Substack after parting ways with New York magazine, and Glenn Greenwald, who joined Substack after resigning from The Intercept, which he co-founded, Yglesias felt that he could no longer speak his mind without riling his colleagues. His managers wanted him to maintain a “restrained, institutional, statesmanlike voice,” he told me in a phone interview, in part because he was a co-founder of Vox. But as a relative moderate at the publication, he felt at times that it was important to challenge what he called the “dominant sensibility” in the “young-college-graduate bubble” that now sets the tone at many digital-media organizations.
The problem: this “young-college-graduate bubble”. That's the nice way of saying the young woke indoctrinated by woke-ology which has infiltrated the humanities departments of all major universities. The majority of young elites out of the best universities in the humanities think exactly alike and you can't even get them to open those minds to a wider world, it's very frustrating, they think they're not indoctrinated, that it's just normal that everyone agrees. It is a little like dealing with Mao's young red guards, anyone who disagrees is considered a reactionary nut. Since a lot of time they are working under elders, they are quiet, for now, but difficult to deal with, like robots in a way.
I'd be careful - Greenwald just wanted to publish stuff that wasn't fact checked, or out-and-out lies. No "bubble" - at some point you can't just make shit up.
It's fine if that's what he thinks he needs to do but he's going from a free site to one of the most restricted paid sites. The question of how journalists get paid in a time of google and facebook sucking up so much of the advertising dollars is an important question. But if or until we get a good answer to that question I won't be able to read Yglesias anymore which is disappointing. I was paying for three sites but I had to cut back to two. Given how little I make a month from SS two is quite a stretch for me. I periodically give up a subscription after the bargain price ends to try another but it's unlikely that would be substack. I can't read enough of the site to get a sense of it's value compared to other sites and Greenwald is a turn off and Sullivan isn't much of a draw for me.
I was able to read the Friedersdorf piece because it was my last free Atlantic article for the period, so I totally get what you are saying on that front.
He's not saying it's all a good thing, he's saying: okay and what are we gonna get in big news media if the best writers keep feeling they have to do this? The young woke are bullies in their own way. The fight against them taking over everything is real. It's like Emma said on one news post this summer "when did the NYTimes get so woke?" It really was like it happened over night. WaPo really strikes me lately as having a far more objective approach.
He didn't say but I am thinking now: and now that coverage will turn a bit more towards Biden admin and policy, what's the frequency gonna be? Constant agitprop attack from the left while Trump Media Co. attacking loonily from the right?
I see the problem but I'd like to get more information as to why there wasn't a different solution than going to a paid site. According to what I've read you only get one article a month from substack. Was there no way to push back at vox and why? I agree with PP's opinion of Greenwald so I shugged when he left. Greenwald needs an editor and a fact checker before he posts his articles. He's a Hannity or Carlson for the left. But Yglesias makes good arguments to support his views. Is the problem that bad? Or perhaps he makes most of his money off his podcasts and didn't want to engage in the fight.
no it's not money, it's this, it's having to be a manager on tippytoes about what you say communicating with the woke kiddies. He was told like a month or two ago to get off twitter, to stop publicity opinionating, to tone it down, but he wants to write what he wants to write. There was tension between him and Ezra on that, I remember seeing it on Twitter. Turns out it was a trans employee complaining about him signing that "Harper's Letter," being offended by it. That's dangerous, they'll like sue or go on strike if you don't kowtow
[...] “there was an inherent tension between my status as a co-founder of the site and my desire to be a fiercely independent and at times contentious voice,” he wrote in his first post on Substack, adding on Twitter, “I’m looking forward to really telling everyone what’s on my mind to an even greater extent than I do now.”
In our interview, Yglesias explained why pushing back against the “dominant sensibility” in digital journalism is important to him. He said he believes that certain voguish positions are substantively wrong—for instance, abolishing or defunding police —and that such arguments, as well as rhetorical fights over terms like Latinx, alienate many people from progressive politics and the Democratic Party.
“There’s been endless talk since the election about House Democrats being mad at the ‘Squad,’ and others saying, ‘What do you want, for activists to just not exist? For there to be no left-wing members of Congress?’” Yglesias told me. “But there’s a dynamic where there’s media people who really elevated the profile of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and a couple of other members way above their actual numerical standing.” Many outlets, he argued, are missing something important.
“The people making the media are young college graduates in big cities, and that kind of politics makes a lot of sense to them,” he said. “And we keep seeing that older people, and working-class people of all races and ethnicities, just don’t share that entire worldview. It’s important to me to be someone to step outside that dynamic...that was challenging as someone who was a founder of a media outlet but not a manager of it.”
One trend that exacerbated that challenge: colleagues in media treating the expression of allegedly problematic ideas as if they were a human-resources issue.
Earlier this year, for instance, after Yglesias signed a group letter published in Harper’s magazine objecting to cancel culture, one of his colleagues, Emily VanDerWerff, told Vox editors that his signature made her feel “less safe at Vox.” Yglesias had been personally kind and supportive of her work, she wrote, but as a trans woman, she felt the letter should not have been signed by anyone at Vox, because she believed that it contained “many dog whistles toward anti-trans positions,” and that several of its signatories are anti-trans. The letter’s authors reject those characterizations. I asked Yglesias if that matter in any way motivated his departure. “Something we’ve seen in a lot of organizations is increasing sensitivity about language and what people say,” he told me. “It’s a damaging trend in the media in particular because it is an industry that’s about ideas, and if you treat disagreement as a source of harm or personal safety, then it’s very challenging to do good work.
The issue, Yglesias believes, is not limited to Vox. “We saw that in the way the New York Times people characterized their opposition to Tom Cotton’s op-ed,” he said, and “we saw it in what Emily VanDerWerff wrote about me––and Vox to its credit has not [been] managed in that way exactly, but it is defiinitely the mentality of a lot of people working in journalism today, and it makes me feel like it’s a good time to have an independent platform.’
The New York Times’ Opinion editor, James Bennet (a former editor in chief of The Atlantic), was forced out over the publication of the Cotton op-ed. The Times Opinion staffer Bari Weiss left the newspaper soon afterward, alleging in her resignation letter that “if a person’s ideology is in keeping with the new orthodoxy, they and their work remain unscrutinized. Everyone else lives in fear of the digital thunderdome.” The two had been charged, in part, with offering Times readers a greater diversity of opinions. Whether the Opinion section will still carry out that mission remains uncertain [....]
See what is common now, is that the kiddies raise issue with things the boss says on Twitter or signs a group letter or whatever and they threaten to sue. Or get a gang together of like minds and threaten group action like strike or just bad publicity.
The issues in The Atlantic letter are real, academics and journalist and writers do feel a teeny little bit like Salman Rushdie recently.
This is very common in the museum world right now, the young employees gang up if you offend them with something in curatorial or similar, it's very easy to smear an institution on social media. You don't even need to threaten to sue, get a lawyer or start a union. All you have to do is yell "wolf!" on social media and all of a sudden you have a rep as an evil oppressive institution.
Everything is on tippytoes, you have to be politically correct. If you're not politically correct at every moment you can get into big trouble. This is what happened at the NYTimes. First they went for hiring lots of young people in order to attract the new demographic and surprise surprise surprise, old time reporting types have to walk on tippytoes around them or they sue (Glenn Thrush one example I suspect. He's back reporting after being put on "sabbatical" but he doesn't go on social media anymore and he used to do short quippy old crank tweets that were very deadpan funny, I really liked them, I suspect he used the wrong words once or twice.)
above excerpt may have a few mistakes in it cause I had to copy it from my PDF copy I saved (The Atlantic website cut me off afterwards) and doing that inserted a lot of code and shit instead of text, which I had to edit back in.
so Friedersdorf in his piece is emphasizing that the more public and "free" your writing is, the more you have to deal with this. And mature writers don't want to waste time on that. They want critical input, but they don't want the woke police descending in their gangs. Big institutions have no choice, they want that demographic along with the others, they have to kowtow. I began seeing this in the arts, and that's when I started my "Wokee" thread. It was just to follow the fight, who was fighting back and how, as a scholar. I don't have any illusions about being able to affect what's happening. Not that I like it, but I don't think I can affect it, I don't see any use in joining warriors for or against, especially as a retirement-aged person.
I just want to understand what's going on. That's precisely why I really didn't like people getting into long arguments about this or that writer on that thread like Thos. Chatterton Williams vs. Kendi. I just want to follow the fight, analyze it, figure out who is winning and who is losing and what the ramifications are.
On the Tom Cotton bit, it's like with Greenwald and Hunter gate - Cotton was using the Times for explicit and dangerous propaganda. The Times is often too accommodating for stuff like this, like Judy Woodward's pieces, publishing a partisan hitjob "Clinton Cash" as "news" during an election, a lot of Maggie Habeman's posts (i forget the term for little favor white lie tidbits to keep your source happy). After so much of this stuff, the GOP's learned to play the refs and get dubious stuff greenlighted as just balancing opinion. If we look at RealClearPolitics, we see a Left-right-left-right breakdown of stories, but the right ones always push something, er manic?
I don't say keep Cotton out of the opinion page, but to just drop him there with no parental guidance is irresponsible. The were looking to justify tanks in the streets. Maybe it's necessary, but it ought to be explained quite well and debated.
One way of summing this up: there's a major "generation gap" thing going on among the educated elite. Like boomers vs. greatest generation. The major difference between what's going on now and boomer youthquake vs. greatest generation values was that boomers were being drafted to go and fight and die in greatest generation's war. But otherwise very similar, as the 60's youthquake was a minority, elite educated youth, most of the "no college" youth wasn't rebelling against their parents' values.
I wish people would not erase the work that folks like @emorwee, @annehelen, @HC_Richardson, etc have been doing for a while just because they don’t like me or Glenn Greenwald (and of course Glenn doesn’t like me) or whatever. https://t.co/bMUIqubNYW
I don't know how worthy this Latino woman's claim was, it may very well have been quite worthy. But it's also a good example of what I am seeing a lot of in both the world of journalism and in non-profit arts institutions.If you are are on the management side in these fields, this is what you are dealing with constantly right now instead of working on your product not to mention trying to keep from shutting down for lack of income. Thread:
[added more tweets from thread for context - PP]
The two-page memo that @latimes sent me yesterday was extremely painful to read.
In the memo, the L.A. Times said I am not worth the same as my male or white colleagues.
Without telling me, the company classified me as a junior critic upon hire, even though I was told repeatedly by managers that I was equal to my co-critic, and I have always been expected to do the same work, and held to the same expectations and standards.
Systemic bias and discrimination is too sanitary and too kind a term for this ugliness. Pay discrimination is rampant in newsrooms, but it is also highly personal, the product of many people’s individual decisions.
I know it's important to journalist solidarity to insist Greenwald needs an editor, but that's not apparent in this piece, which is as tight as anything his deplorers publish. https://t.co/Fpzcf4r9fi
This is just ridiculous. I know Sam Harris well. I've read almost all his books. Seen many of his talks and debates. I read what Greenwald wrote about him and Harris' response etc. I don't need anyone to tell me Greenwald lied, spun, and quoted out of context. I've read other articles by Greenwald before I decided he wasn't trustworthy. But I don't claim that because I found one or even several bad articles that every single article he ever wrote is bad.
But I guess if you can find one good article, it's all good
I don't care what he says or what it says in the article. He was jealous. Being in management sucks, it really does, especially these days.
Goodbye and good luck millennials as workers or an audience, black or otherwise, you want it, you got it, run it your way.
I have this gut feeling that there is a terrible generation gap growing in the elite culture. Boomers are retiring and millennials are bullying the smaller Gen X because they are independent-minded and won't follow the correct program.
I noticed over his career that he likes to DOH! stuff like this out of the blue and you wonder what caused him to say it:
What people need to understand is that the white community is not a monolith; it features deep political divides linked to educational attainment, gender, religion, and nationality.
since ppl are saying this, @mattyglesias said on the @FDRLST podcast that he has a special deal that reduced his risk when he joined and he doesn't do as well as this simple calculation would suggest... https://t.co/08IX9WHyvC
This whole thread is interesting, from a smart observer of journalism. However, it seems to me that an anonymous vote of all staff on these controversies would often go against, not in favor of, employees coalitions that win in the activist pressure model https://t.co/GVCkzeGtzW
It's about gulf between where governed want the line drawn & where bosses do - about who defines a publication: the corner office or those who do the actual work.
But how the bills get paid is by profit which requires content desirable to a market, which may depend upon having certain employees who pander to that market. Media content biz tends to be different that way. After all, Yglesias was a bossman and decided to give that up, he didn't enjoy the tailoring to a larger market, which required him walking on tippytoes around employees and being less controversial about what he said on Twitter.
I think Matt and Ezra would be considered more as talent than bossmen. They were the faces voices that were used to launch Vox but like talent in other entertainment media have now been replaced by a new younger generation. Vox is actually owned by a consortium of chiefly entertainment companies. They are who pay the bills.
good point, I get where your are coming from now.I don't thinkt that hurts the original ponit, though, there is a kind of sea change going on, with "activist pressure" from the employed pushing directions. And Friederdort is adding the question: if there was actually a blind vote of where the whole business would go on any one matter, the ones who are not activists might not agree, but they are cowed by peer pressure from the activists. Could be though, a sort of tyranny of the loudest is better than kissing up to and schmoozing one person's god-like decisions as used to be?
Of course, if the offended person in question isn't an ideological leftist with the attendant views on what is offensive the policy does not apply https://t.co/pve4XOHK2V
Maybe there's more to the story than this, but it's certainly looking like the NYT reporter was fired because he dared to challenge woke orthodoxy to students.https://t.co/2D4wTsnoDw
Makes you kinda miss those bygone years when teachers were just pedos trying to get their charges in the sack, or alcos looking for a way to drink up while on the road. No need for these weight convos like, "hey, did you see that guy over there?"
There's a prob in paragraph 2, 3rd or 4th rows, say words 6-10 that discredits the whole thing. Cicero addressed this naïvete in his earlier works. Do better, Matt - if you can!
I just posted it because it struck me that I have never seen him express being that fed up, really, never, since when he was a college kid blogging. (Not that I'm an expert at his writing, skipped a lot of years along the way.) He's ranting, and he does not rant! Maybe cause a big change in his attitude--HEY YOU KIDS, GET OFF MY LAWN..
You mean I *should* have included the sarcasm/humor emoji?
(breakdown: 1 small detail invalidates the whole thing, preferably something that can't really be debated, + "I quote Cicero, therefore I'm superior in all facets, you ignorant muppets")
Interesting case, seems that now millennials in media have started eating their own, too, if you weren't pure woke a decade ago as a teenager, no job for you:
NEW: Alexi McCammond has parted ways with Teen Vogue just two weeks after being appointed the new editor in chief, amid a wave of internal and external concerns over past racist and homophobic tweets https://t.co/ryabnReKki
Hey, kids - if you're 17 - DONT FUCKING DO ANYTHING. JUST SIT THERE. No, DONT EVEN THINK THAT EITHER. AND FOR FUCKS SAKES DONT LEAVE NOTES. TWITTER. NOTHING. JUST DON'T.
(but act natural - these are the best days of your life. We're so proud to watch you grow into adulthood. Where you can take a blade and knife anyone who crossed you in the previous years, or just because. Now get cracking - there's work to be done. Enjoy - and smile!
I totally get what you're saying. How does one learn to be a grownup during the teen years without role play and then adjusting messaging from feedback? O.I.C., the alternate is: follow a hard set of rules to a T and never learn to nuance anything between human beings. And we wonder why there are such things as "incels".
Yes to this. The almost sociopathic desire for retribution and punishment that drives the mob will burn itself out. In part, because it's intellectually ridiculous. But intellectually ridiculous ideas can last for a long time. https://t.co/bUE59IECWT
I’ve worked with @alexi for four years. I know her well and can say this unequivocally: The idea she is racist is absurd. Where the hell are we as an industry if we cannot accept a person’s sincere and repeated apologies for tweets when they were a teenager? https://t.co/b8OKIGlUo8
They insist "cancel culture isn't real," despite months of evidence to the contrary. One of the worst things I've seen on this site is the smear campaign against @jessesingal, lobbing pretty serious accusations but all without a shred of evidence https://t.co/af2dVpWdDw
Burn itself out? Its a new morality, not just new *bad* ideas. Children are being socialized to believe this really is the way that discourse should proceed. Minimum 3 generations before this silly shit is long gone
The Dexter Rule makes it into the Atlantic (in a very thoughtful piece calling for clemency for the sins of teenagers and the construction of new forms of racial identity beyond the black-white binary) https://t.co/L9OOz1rF2ipic.twitter.com/N9KIDLEqjt
One time in college our class had a debate where one side was designated as representing Ayaan Hirsi Ali and the other one was the Muslim Brotherhood. I imagine today this would get the college to dispatch an anti-bias swat team
I can't even imagine reporting a professor for offending me. If they offended me I would just probably argue with them, like a normal person. Why am I calling in a hall monitor? I'm an adult.
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by artappraiser on Fri, 11/13/2020 - 6:07pm
The problem: this “young-college-graduate bubble”. That's the nice way of saying the young woke indoctrinated by woke-ology which has infiltrated the humanities departments of all major universities. The majority of young elites out of the best universities in the humanities think exactly alike and you can't even get them to open those minds to a wider world, it's very frustrating, they think they're not indoctrinated, that it's just normal that everyone agrees. It is a little like dealing with Mao's young red guards, anyone who disagrees is considered a reactionary nut. Since a lot of time they are working under elders, they are quiet, for now, but difficult to deal with, like robots in a way.
by artappraiser on Fri, 11/13/2020 - 6:21pm
I'd be careful - Greenwald just wanted to publish stuff that wasn't fact checked, or out-and-out lies. No "bubble" - at some point you can't just make shit up.
by PeraclesPlease on Fri, 11/13/2020 - 10:46pm
cross-link to a related old blog item that popped into my head http://dagblog.com/reader-blogs/yoko-taught-him-good-31536
But then he's an old guy, born 1975, schooled by Ethical Culture School and Dalton, the latter also taught Yglesias if I remember correctly.
by artappraiser on Fri, 11/13/2020 - 6:33pm
Senior Political Analyst & fill-in Anchor for CNN @NewDay. EIC of The Daily Beast 2013-2018. Author, Wingnuts & Washington's Farewell.:
by artappraiser on Fri, 11/13/2020 - 6:40pm
It's fine if that's what he thinks he needs to do but he's going from a free site to one of the most restricted paid sites. The question of how journalists get paid in a time of google and facebook sucking up so much of the advertising dollars is an important question. But if or until we get a good answer to that question I won't be able to read Yglesias anymore which is disappointing. I was paying for three sites but I had to cut back to two. Given how little I make a month from SS two is quite a stretch for me. I periodically give up a subscription after the bargain price ends to try another but it's unlikely that would be substack. I can't read enough of the site to get a sense of it's value compared to other sites and Greenwald is a turn off and Sullivan isn't much of a draw for me.
by ocean-kat on Fri, 11/13/2020 - 11:19pm
I was able to read the Friedersdorf piece because it was my last free Atlantic article for the period, so I totally get what you are saying on that front.
He's not saying it's all a good thing, he's saying: okay and what are we gonna get in big news media if the best writers keep feeling they have to do this? The young woke are bullies in their own way. The fight against them taking over everything is real. It's like Emma said on one news post this summer "when did the NYTimes get so woke?" It really was like it happened over night. WaPo really strikes me lately as having a far more objective approach.
He didn't say but I am thinking now: and now that coverage will turn a bit more towards Biden admin and policy, what's the frequency gonna be? Constant agitprop attack from the left while Trump Media Co. attacking loonily from the right?
by artappraiser on Sat, 11/14/2020 - 12:04am
I see the problem but I'd like to get more information as to why there wasn't a different solution than going to a paid site. According to what I've read you only get one article a month from substack. Was there no way to push back at vox and why? I agree with PP's opinion of Greenwald so I shugged when he left. Greenwald needs an editor and a fact checker before he posts his articles. He's a Hannity or Carlson for the left. But Yglesias makes good arguments to support his views. Is the problem that bad? Or perhaps he makes most of his money off his podcasts and didn't want to engage in the fight.
by ocean-kat on Sat, 11/14/2020 - 12:25am
no it's not money, it's this, it's having to be a manager on tippytoes about what you say communicating with the woke kiddies. He was told like a month or two ago to get off twitter, to stop publicity opinionating, to tone it down, but he wants to write what he wants to write. There was tension between him and Ezra on that, I remember seeing it on Twitter. Turns out it was a trans employee complaining about him signing that "Harper's Letter," being offended by it. That's dangerous, they'll like sue or go on strike if you don't kowtow
See what is common now, is that the kiddies raise issue with things the boss says on Twitter or signs a group letter or whatever and they threaten to sue. Or get a gang together of like minds and threaten group action like strike or just bad publicity.
The issues in The Atlantic letter are real, academics and journalist and writers do feel a teeny little bit like Salman Rushdie recently.
This is very common in the museum world right now, the young employees gang up if you offend them with something in curatorial or similar, it's very easy to smear an institution on social media. You don't even need to threaten to sue, get a lawyer or start a union. All you have to do is yell "wolf!" on social media and all of a sudden you have a rep as an evil oppressive institution.
Everything is on tippytoes, you have to be politically correct. If you're not politically correct at every moment you can get into big trouble. This is what happened at the NYTimes. First they went for hiring lots of young people in order to attract the new demographic and surprise surprise surprise, old time reporting types have to walk on tippytoes around them or they sue (Glenn Thrush one example I suspect. He's back reporting after being put on "sabbatical" but he doesn't go on social media anymore and he used to do short quippy old crank tweets that were very deadpan funny, I really liked them, I suspect he used the wrong words once or twice.)
by artappraiser on Sat, 11/14/2020 - 1:46am
above excerpt may have a few mistakes in it cause I had to copy it from my PDF copy I saved (The Atlantic website cut me off afterwards) and doing that inserted a lot of code and shit instead of text, which I had to edit back in.
by artappraiser on Sat, 11/14/2020 - 1:32am
so Friedersdorf in his piece is emphasizing that the more public and "free" your writing is, the more you have to deal with this. And mature writers don't want to waste time on that. They want critical input, but they don't want the woke police descending in their gangs. Big institutions have no choice, they want that demographic along with the others, they have to kowtow. I began seeing this in the arts, and that's when I started my "Wokee" thread. It was just to follow the fight, who was fighting back and how, as a scholar. I don't have any illusions about being able to affect what's happening. Not that I like it, but I don't think I can affect it, I don't see any use in joining warriors for or against, especially as a retirement-aged person.
I just want to understand what's going on. That's precisely why I really didn't like people getting into long arguments about this or that writer on that thread like Thos. Chatterton Williams vs. Kendi. I just want to follow the fight, analyze it, figure out who is winning and who is losing and what the ramifications are.
by artappraiser on Sat, 11/14/2020 - 1:57am
On the Tom Cotton bit, it's like with Greenwald and Hunter gate - Cotton was using the Times for explicit and dangerous propaganda. The Times is often too accommodating for stuff like this, like Judy Woodward's pieces, publishing a partisan hitjob "Clinton Cash" as "news" during an election, a lot of Maggie Habeman's posts (i forget the term for little favor white lie tidbits to keep your source happy). After so much of this stuff, the GOP's learned to play the refs and get dubious stuff greenlighted as just balancing opinion. If we look at RealClearPolitics, we see a Left-right-left-right breakdown of stories, but the right ones always push something, er manic?
I don't say keep Cotton out of the opinion page, but to just drop him there with no parental guidance is irresponsible. The were looking to justify tanks in the streets. Maybe it's necessary, but it ought to be explained quite well and debated.
by PeraclesPlease on Sat, 11/14/2020 - 2:06am
One way of summing this up: there's a major "generation gap" thing going on among the educated elite. Like boomers vs. greatest generation. The major difference between what's going on now and boomer youthquake vs. greatest generation values was that boomers were being drafted to go and fight and die in greatest generation's war. But otherwise very similar, as the 60's youthquake was a minority, elite educated youth, most of the "no college" youth wasn't rebelling against their parents' values.
by artappraiser on Sat, 11/14/2020 - 2:03pm
You're cancelling the 60s?
by PeraclesPlease on Sat, 11/14/2020 - 3:43pm
From the horse's mouth on topic today:
by artappraiser on Sat, 11/14/2020 - 9:57pm
I don't know how worthy this Latino woman's claim was, it may very well have been quite worthy. But it's also a good example of what I am seeing a lot of in both the world of journalism and in non-profit arts institutions.If you are are on the management side in these fields, this is what you are dealing with constantly right now instead of working on your product not to mention trying to keep from shutting down for lack of income. Thread:
[added more tweets from thread for context - PP]
P.S. The L.A. Times is now a pretty small operation, they cut way down from what they once were.
by artappraiser on Sun, 11/15/2020 - 1:50pm
by artappraiser on Sun, 11/15/2020 - 7:15pm
This is just ridiculous. I know Sam Harris well. I've read almost all his books. Seen many of his talks and debates. I read what Greenwald wrote about him and Harris' response etc. I don't need anyone to tell me Greenwald lied, spun, and quoted out of context. I've read other articles by Greenwald before I decided he wasn't trustworthy. But I don't claim that because I found one or even several bad articles that every single article he ever wrote is bad.
But I guess if you can find one good article, it's all good
by ocean-kat on Tue, 11/17/2020 - 1:38am
by artappraiser on Tue, 11/17/2020 - 12:59am
So he can tweet stuff like this without threats from employees:
Edit to add: or just stuff like this in general:
by artappraiser on Thu, 11/19/2020 - 12:26am
now that we got rid of that troublesome independent-minded old friend that doesn't follow woke rules?
by artappraiser on Fri, 11/20/2020 - 3:44pm
The first new hire we're looking for is a replacement for me.
by ocean-kat on Fri, 11/20/2020 - 4:54pm
HOLY SHIT!
I don't care what he says or what it says in the article. He was jealous. Being in management sucks, it really does, especially these days.
Goodbye and good luck millennials as workers or an audience, black or otherwise, you want it, you got it, run it your way.
I have this gut feeling that there is a terrible generation gap growing in the elite culture. Boomers are retiring and millennials are bullying the smaller Gen X because they are independent-minded and won't follow the correct program.
by artappraiser on Fri, 11/20/2020 - 5:40pm
I noticed over his career that he likes to DOH! stuff like this out of the blue and you wonder what caused him to say it:
by artappraiser on Sat, 11/28/2020 - 9:12pm
interesting on earnings at Substack:
by artappraiser on Mon, 12/21/2020 - 3:24am
on the general phenomenon:
by artappraiser on Thu, 01/14/2021 - 6:19pm
Ultimately, it is who pays the bills.
by EmmaZahn on Thu, 01/14/2021 - 7:44pm
But how the bills get paid is by profit which requires content desirable to a market, which may depend upon having certain employees who pander to that market. Media content biz tends to be different that way. After all, Yglesias was a bossman and decided to give that up, he didn't enjoy the tailoring to a larger market, which required him walking on tippytoes around employees and being less controversial about what he said on Twitter.
by artappraiser on Thu, 01/14/2021 - 8:06pm
I think Matt and Ezra would be considered more as talent than bossmen. They were the
facesvoices that were used to launch Vox but like talent in other entertainment media have now been replaced by a new younger generation. Vox is actually owned by a consortium of chiefly entertainment companies. They are who pay the bills.by EmmaZahn on Thu, 01/14/2021 - 10:44pm
good point, I get where your are coming from now.I don't thinkt that hurts the original ponit, though, there is a kind of sea change going on, with "activist pressure" from the employed pushing directions. And Friederdort is adding the question: if there was actually a blind vote of where the whole business would go on any one matter, the ones who are not activists might not agree, but they are cowed by peer pressure from the activists. Could be though, a sort of tyranny of the loudest is better than kissing up to and schmoozing one person's god-like decisions as used to be?
by artappraiser on Thu, 01/14/2021 - 10:58pm
by artappraiser on Tue, 02/09/2021 - 12:28am
by artappraiser on Tue, 02/09/2021 - 3:16am
by artappraiser on Tue, 02/09/2021 - 4:50pm
Makes you kinda miss those bygone years when teachers were just pedos trying to get their charges in the sack, or alcos looking for a way to drink up while on the road. No need for these weight convos like, "hey, did you see that guy over there?"
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 02/09/2021 - 4:56pm
by artappraiser on Sun, 02/14/2021 - 3:59am
There's a prob in paragraph 2, 3rd or 4th rows, say words 6-10 that discredits the whole thing. Cicero addressed this naïvete in his earlier works. Do better, Matt - if you can!
by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 02/14/2021 - 4:34am
I just posted it because it struck me that I have never seen him express being that fed up, really, never, since when he was a college kid blogging. (Not that I'm an expert at his writing, skipped a lot of years along the way.) He's ranting, and he does not rant! Maybe cause a big change in his attitude--HEY YOU KIDS, GET OFF MY LAWN..
by artappraiser on Sun, 02/14/2021 - 5:28am
You mean I *should* have included the sarcasm/humor emoji?
(breakdown: 1 small detail invalidates the whole thing, preferably something that can't really be debated, + "I quote Cicero, therefore I'm superior in all facets, you ignorant muppets")
by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 02/14/2021 - 5:59am
Interesting case, seems that now millennials in media have started eating their own, too, if you weren't pure woke a decade ago as a teenager, no job for you:
by artappraiser on Thu, 03/18/2021 - 1:53pm
I see only now that Yglesias himself noticed the story and has tweeted a comment on it:
by artappraiser on Thu, 03/18/2021 - 2:02pm
Hey, kids - if you're 17 - DONT FUCKING DO ANYTHING. JUST SIT THERE. No, DONT EVEN THINK THAT EITHER. AND FOR FUCKS SAKES DONT LEAVE NOTES. TWITTER. NOTHING. JUST DON'T.
(but act natural - these are the best days of your life. We're so proud to watch you grow into adulthood. Where you can take a blade and knife anyone who crossed you in the previous years, or just because. Now get cracking - there's work to be done. Enjoy - and smile!
by PeraclesPlease on Thu, 03/18/2021 - 2:32pm
I totally get what you're saying. How does one learn to be a grownup during the teen years without role play and then adjusting messaging from feedback? O.I.C., the alternate is: follow a hard set of rules to a T and never learn to nuance anything between human beings. And we wonder why there are such things as "incels".
by artappraiser on Thu, 03/18/2021 - 3:23pm
by artappraiser on Fri, 03/19/2021 - 7:55pm
and the construction of new forms of racial identity beyond the black-white binary
as in
by artappraiser on Fri, 03/19/2021 - 10:23pm
291 answers so far to this question by a "liberal heterodox psychotherapist":
by artappraiser on Fri, 03/19/2021 - 11:03pm
elite educated generation of childish snitches except for the conservative few:
The goal is to have the Stasi recreated, is that it? After all, you've got to have someone to tattle to where that won't backfire.
by artappraiser on Wed, 06/16/2021 - 8:40pm