An Awkward Kiss Changed How I Saw Joe Biden

An Awkward Kiss Changed How I Saw Joe Biden

By tmccarthy0 on Fri, 03/29/2019 - 5:38pm |

I’m pretty sure this has only just begun for Joe Biden.

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https://www.thecut.com/2019/03/an-awkward-kiss-changed-how-i-saw-joe-biden.html

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. @JoeBiden spox in @LucyFlores account: Vice President Biden was pleased to support Lucy Flores’s candidacy for Lieutenant Governor of Nevada in 2014 and to speak on her behalf at a well-attended public event.
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— Mike Memoli (@mikememoli) March 29, 2019

click on above for whole thread of 5

Memoli also tweeted this

More reax from Bidenworld, and someone part of the @LucyFlores first-person essay —->> https://t.co/XniKYrNR6K
— Mike Memoli (@mikememoli) March 29, 2019

and retweeted this

Lucy Flores is a fascinating political figure, basically a Democrat of the future who arrived two or three cycles early. I profiled her in 2014: https://t.co/TirSp0OBtp
— Benjy Sarlin (@BenjySarlin) March 29, 2019

by artappraiser on Fri, 03/29/2019 - 7:41pm

The comments in the first one...

by PeraclesPlease on Fri, 03/29/2019 - 8:41pm

Nothing in this account surprised me. Biden has always been very touchy and it always looked inappropriate to me. It's been in the news for years and numerous pundits have commented on it. The only surprise is that it took so long for it to become an issue.

by ocean-kat on Fri, 03/29/2019 - 7:44pm

A comment on Joe Biden that pointed out his problem running for a 2020 Presidency.

From Booman Tribune

Chris Cillizza says, “the danger for [Joe] Biden in this [presidential] race is clear: He runs the risk of coming off like Don Draper in a Peggy Olson world. And, unfortunately for him, there’s just not much he can do about it.” I think that’s undoubtedly true. If you’re familiar with the show Mad Men, you know what that means, and if you are not I think you can imagine. We’ve reached a moment in this country where women aren’t accepting the old rules and where men are being routinely punished for things that previous generations took for granted.

http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2019/3/27/17721/6346

This is what Joe Biden said about the Anita Hill hearing

"We knew a lot less about the extent of harassment back then, over 30 years ago. She paid a terrible price, she was abused for the hearing. She was taken advantage of. Her reputation was attacked. I wish I could have done something. To this day I regret I couldn't come up with a way to get her the kind of hearing she deserved, given the courage she showed by reaching out to us."

https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/27/politics/joe-biden-anita-hill-2020/index.html

It’s like he had no role at the hearing

by rmrd0000 on Sat, 03/30/2019 - 12:04am

This type of touching is normal in political circles and the chicks love it.

by ocean-kat on Sat, 03/30/2019 - 2:06am

Really get a kick out of Richard Painter on stuff like this in particular (if you've seen the way he talks on TV, you'll get why):

She works for a man who is on tape boasting of grabbing women by the genitals yet she says Biden has a problem because he allegedly kissed someone’s hair?
This entire story is beyond stupid.https://t.co/vkASGw6lKA
— Richard W. Painter (@RWPUSA) March 31, 2019

by artappraiser on Sun, 03/31/2019 - 6:42pm

When women accuse Trump of something, he calls them liars & degrades them. Biden’s saying, I didn’t intend to make anyone uncomfortable but I’ll listen & learn. If respectful statements like that aren’t welcomed, we’re just encouraging the Trump double down & smear approach. https://t.co/jhVJyZgoro
— Mimi Rocah (@Mimirocah1) April 1, 2019

by artappraiser on Sun, 03/31/2019 - 10:50pm

When dealing with colleagues and people who are not friends or even friendly acquaintances if the touches and kisses you bestow on the women and girls aren't touches and kisses you'd bestow on men and boys that's a clear enough message those touches and kisses are inappropriate.

by ocean-kat on Sun, 03/31/2019 - 11:31pm

It seems like you are needed out there to teach other guys this rocket science you have learned and they haven't.

by artappraiser on Sun, 03/31/2019 - 11:36pm

And furthermore, Mimi is needed to teach other women the rocket science about when inappropriate behavior has intent to harass and demean and when it is just an inappropriate gaff.

Edit to add: For example of inappropriate non-sexual gaff, see your excellent GW Bush and Angela Merkl vid upthread. Or many other things GW inappropriate including all the frigging nicknames he used for colleagues.

For actual blatant intent to harass and demean nearly everyone and everything, see troll narcissist Donald Trump for yuge number of examples every day....

GW modus operandi is actually interesting to think about, as if everybody was his fraternity bro.! Because it is very non-sexual. In that way, it's a method of manipulation of people like a salesman does, an attempt to drag everyone down to a casual, inter-personal, laid back relationship. The schmoozer. Can be very frustrating if it's happening to you. But it's not harassment.

With Joe on the other hand, there is admittedly a little bit of sexuality involved there. For manipulation rather than harassment purposes. He just wants people to like him, he tries to manipulate that way. Like you implied, he approaches women differently. He's no doubt manipulating all sexes, just does it in different ways and with women, it's ye old put em on a pedestal thing, they're beautiful creatures, etc.

by artappraiser on Sun, 03/31/2019 - 11:52pm

That's how I see it too. I'd guess that for all Biden's touches and kisses he's probably never grabbed anyone by the ass or even patted their butt. Still inappropriate and I'd bet most of the women felt that way.

eta: Ash Carter's wife says she's good friends with Biden and his hands on her shoulders were supportive. Maybe it's all over blown but I doubt that most of the women felt that way. This is going to blow up and many of the women we see in the photos will be questioned so I guess we'll find out.

by ocean-kat on Mon, 04/01/2019 - 1:45am

Jesus, really? At least here in Europe, 2 cheek/air kisses are de-rigeur if you know a woman slightly well, had a good evening out with friends, haven't seen in a while, etc. - otherwise you come across as cold and unfriendly. If it's a business environment you're a bit more reserved.

by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 04/01/2019 - 2:29am

I've seen that. I haven't been to Europe but it seems to be a rather formalized ritual to me. Have you seen the videos of Biden? That looks very different to me. But I am the type of person who doesn't like to touch strangers. I don't even like shaking hands. I barely tolerate friends who hug everyone, and me. So maybe I'm totally wrong about this.

by ocean-kat on Mon, 04/01/2019 - 2:36am

Yes, the hands on the shoulders from behind for one is creepy with someone you don't know,
and I don't do kisses with girls <18 (or older - use my judgment of who seems in the space to find it unappreciated/weird), and even Biden's hand around Di Langoria's (sp?) higher up from waist/near breast seemed a bit too familiar.

by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 04/01/2019 - 3:07am

different strokes for different folks, at least we don't send em for lashes:

WSJ - New Social Rules Leave Saudis Confused About How to Behave - "Some Saudis are getting punished for social activities they thought were now allowed, like mingling with the opposite sex. “People are confused.”" https://t.co/eXsiy4DgD6 via @WSJ
— Small Wars Journal (@smallwars) April 1, 2019

by artappraiser on Mon, 04/01/2019 - 3:07am

Yeah, it's tough to codify when it's time to grab their ass. Just kiddin'.

by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 04/01/2019 - 3:10am

Ash Carter's wife refutes meme from her picture:

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/03/31/joe-biden-stephanie-carter-124...

by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 04/01/2019 - 5:39am

Found because retweeted by Maggie Haberman:

“The assumption that what matters is what Biden wants women to feel rather than what they actually do feel is part of the same culture that allows those far more troubling abuses to occur.” Interesting piece by @mollylroberts:https://t.co/LIbUA0lRBs
— Felicia Sonmez (@feliciasonmez) April 1, 2019

by artappraiser on Mon, 04/01/2019 - 7:43pm

Nate Silver's opinion on the damage to electoral potential:

The Biden accusations are likely to hurt him more with young voters than old ones, which on the one hand still isn't great for Biden but on the other hand (since Twitter leans young) will increase the divide between what people on this platform think and the D electorate overall.
— Nate Silver (@NateSilver538) April 1, 2019

by artappraiser on Mon, 04/01/2019 - 7:56pm

Meghan McCain on Monday jumped to defend Joe Biden — who has been accused by two women of inappropriate touching. McCain called the rumored 2020 presidential hopeful “one of the truly decent and compassionate men in all of American politics.” [....] ~ NY Post April 1

by artappraiser on Tue, 04/02/2019 - 7:30pm

As one of the women who came out in the first place I find it absurd that people are using the “Me too”movement to manipulate. I found Mr Biden’s response genuine we must make room for the men who right their wrongs. And learn from it This was not assault.
— Rosanna Arquette (@RoArquette) April 4, 2019

by artappraiser on Wed, 04/03/2019 - 10:28pm

An Awkward Kiss Changed How I Saw Joe Biden

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