The Boogaloo Movement Is Not What You Think

By artappraiser on Sun, 07/19/2020 - 1:16am |

The boogaloo are libertarians for the lost part that share the dislike of police. (they're also mainly a meme or a hashtag not an actual group... So all of this may vary.) I'd check this out. It's all quickly evolving. https://t.co/AAa5bLkqWQ
— Zach D Roberts (@zdroberts) July 19, 2020

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https://www.bellingcat.com/news/2020/05/27/the-boogaloo-movement-is-not-what-you-think/

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Karen Anneninova

https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/woke-america-russian-novel

by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 07/19/2020 - 1:36pm

That was very good, thank you. Above and beyond its topic, it is simply a great example of how aficionados of great literature learn to see better.

by artappraiser on Sun, 07/19/2020 - 4:39pm

I'm curious why woke America is considered the danger. I realize the Right is discussed, but the Left is always the focus of the concern

A President sends troops into cities and suppresses vote. The solution is not to confront Presidential. The problem is protest. The federal troops are not an issue.

by rmrd0000 on Sat, 07/25/2020 - 12:32pm

We are 55 years from Bloody Sunday

Government law enforcement gassed and clubbed

There are protests in Portland and other cities

In Portland, protestors are being clubbed and gassed

Emmett Till's open casket funeral was a turning point

George Floyd's death on video seems to be another turning point.

I don't see woke culture as the threat that stares us in the face.

by rmrd0000 on Sat, 07/25/2020 - 3:52pm

Why do you write as if for the reading impaired?

by PeraclesPlease on Sat, 07/25/2020 - 5:54pm

I must say I think you pegged a major problem here. I read the comment and was going to respond something like "well, you need to start with reading George Orwell..." BUT THEN I thought no, no, no don't do that you will just be dragged into high school history and English 101 debates again. Which is exactly NOT why I continue to use Dagblog. I use Dagblog because there are a few grownups here who take things to at least undergrad course level 104. Where one does not have to deal with lowest common denominator small democracy. Elitism, if you like. Life is short and in the remaining time I have I want to move beyond course Level 101. And along those lines your link was exactly the level I am at! So thanks again.

by artappraiser on Sat, 07/25/2020 - 6:13pm

PowerPoint style

Starting the conversation with arguments about cancel culture or the state of wokeness miss the point. Trump is transforming the country. I find those discussions to be the 101 class. Trump wanted England to have a golf tournament played on his property. Trump sends troops to American cities.

I agree with Masha Gessen (This was regarding the Harper's Letter)

Masha Gessen, author of several books on autocracy and totalitarianism, was not asked to sign the letter — perhaps because Gessen was already on record disputing the authors’ suggestion that quashing debate through social pressure is as ominous as government repression. “Totalitarian ideology had the power of the state behind it,” Gessen wrote in the New Yorker in June. By contrast, “protesters in the streets of American cities and the journalists who support them are not backed by state or institutional power, but just the opposite: In every instance, they are in confrontation with it.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/the-harpers-letter-cancel-culture-and-the-summer-that-drove-a-lot-of-smart-people-mad/2020/07/23/9df5d6e4-c84c-11ea-b037-f9711f89ee46_story.html

I find your arguments in the face of an attempted authoritarian government to be useless. Our government had to be told that shooting projectiles at reporters and legal observers was a no-no. The clear and present danger is not the Woke.

by rmrd0000 on Sat, 07/25/2020 - 7:23pm

More from Gessen

An important theme in Surviving Autocracy is the power of language to shape political reality and possibilities. For Gessen, this is a reason to write. “I think possibly the greatest stress of living day-to-day in Trump’s America is the sense that reality is mushy, that nothing is knowable, that sense has seeped out. And if you can just name things and describe things in a way that makes you feel like someone has shined a flashlight and things have become clear, that’s an incredible achievement.”

Gessen has already begun work on another book, which picks up where Surviving Autocracy ends, and will chart what the reinvention of US democracy could look like. Gessen had expected to be introducing readers to ideas such as police abolition and restorative justice, and yet in recent weeks the civil uprisings had moved such ideas from activist fringes into the mainstream. “But there are worse things than having your research rendered irrelevant because your wildest hopes have come true, so that will be fun.”

Is Masha Gessen optimistic about change? Optimism wasn’t the right word, Gessen replied, because it implies a degree of certainty over the future. “But I do feel more hopeful than I have done in years.”

https://www.newstatesman.com/international/places/2020/07/masha-gessen-why-revolutionary-moment-american-democracy

by rmrd0000 on Sat, 07/25/2020 - 7:35pm

I'm not surprised that you dismiss the connection between Edmund Pettus and Portland, but others understand

Viewers could not help but notice the striking, horrific parallels between the clips of Portland protestors being beaten into submission by federal troops and the historic footage of Lewis and his compatriots (including C.T. Vivian, who died on the same day as Lewis,) suffering the same fate nearly 60 years ago.

https://www.vogue.com/article/john-lewis-portland-protests

by rmrd0000 on Sat, 07/25/2020 - 8:11pm

This is a typical argument, that one can not consider or discuss problem A if it's possible to find a problem B which is worse than problem A. The end result of this is a progression of increasingly horrible situations only ending with the genocide of the Jews in Nazi Germany being the only topic we can discuss.

by ocean-kat on Sat, 07/25/2020 - 7:36pm

I responded to the question about my writing style.

Edit to add:

The sequence

I asked a question

PP asked a question

I responded to PP's question, then gave details on my position.

Edit to add:

The post about the Woke dealt with how it related to Russian literature. Gessen is Russian so I thought her view on cancel culture and the protests was interesting. Her daughter went to a BLM protest.

by rmrd0000 on Sat, 07/25/2020 - 10:48pm

Yeah, i actually was going to say "powerpoint*", except a properly Done PowerPoint builds. Yours just splatters. You dont put headings on your sludea, And you dont make sure the bullets contribute to the point. So instead, Its trains of pedantic Bullets with no real destination, just repetition. And then you reuse slides from last week's PowerPoints, So anyone show's stood one of your lectures knows all the points in whatever order.

by PeraclesPlease on Sat, 07/25/2020 - 11:19pm

Clean up on Aisle 7

Edit to add

All I see is repetitive posts about so-called cancel culture the evil "Woke"

by rmrd0000 on Sat, 07/25/2020 - 11:32pm

Horse blinders on - lots of Diverse postings - you just see what you want to see

by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 07/26/2020 - 12:25am

Funny you don't see anything else posted here!!!

I spend a lot of time posting other things in the news section!!! Apparently you don't look at any of them because all you are interested in is anything anyone posts on wokeness or black cultural or associated political issues.

And I put nearly all such stories on a single thread, it's a place I keep stories on topic which interest me for academic reasons.

I can't help it other people are interested and look at it and reply and add to it. I purposely try to keep it easy to ignore VERY FRANKLY because I don't want to discuss any of it with you. I don't think you have a basic understanding of why it interests me and I waste time responding you politicizing it all and taking it away from its reason for being. While others offer items of interest and thoughts which are of interest. You seem to think it is some political jihad, it's not, it's a record of culture change and tumult, no different than the note cards a historian keeps for a possible future paper.

I've asked you to basically ignore that thread on topic several times. I meant it. I even fear every time I post on it that you will see and participate, I'm serious! I'd really rather you would ignore.

You do seem to think that everything people post is from political activist motives. Because those are your own reasons for participating here? I find that odd. There's only a few people here and only a few lurkers. Even if you changed a mind you would not affect much at all. It's definitely not the place for activism as it is now.

Whatever it is, it's truly not my problem. Your obsession with my thread on topic is especially not my problem.

Everyone else is welcome to post other things. But they don't. Not my problem. I turned down an offer to be on the masthead for precisely that reason. I am not here to promote an agenda! I'm just here to use Michael's very fine and well-maintained news collation app. with analytic (and fun and sassy at times) input from others most welcome. And to share quality thought-provoking articles as well.

I am not in charge of anything here. Make it your own by posting more than me, see what that gets ya. (Right now I'd predict: not much, judged on my own results for more than a decade.)

by artappraiser on Sun, 07/26/2020 - 12:41am

from an expert in extremist groups:

The Boogaloo movement is not cohesive.

While there are pockets of white supremacist Boogaloos, the younger and bigger groups are generally not.

While there are Boogaloos that strongly support Trump, the younger and bigger groups hate him.
— JJ MacNab (@jjmacnab) May 30, 2020

by artappraiser on Wed, 07/22/2020 - 12:11am

I’m out covering Portland protests tonight. The boogaloo boys have arrived. They tell me they are here in support of Black & trans lives. “Fuck the feds,” one told me. They say they’re here to protect protesters. pic.twitter.com/zuHqMM8Fou
— Tess Riski (@tessriski) July 25, 2020

by artappraiser on Sat, 07/25/2020 - 12:18am

Are extremist groups blossoming like mushrooms?

Today about 500 armed activists with the all-black "Not Fucking Around Coalition" aka "NFAC" gathered to march in #Louisville for #BreonnaTaylor.

As they were getting ready, one member accidentally fired a shot, injuring three. This was captured in my livestream. pic.twitter.com/4NFY0nO8O1
— Ford Fischer (@FordFischer) July 25, 2020

Crazy president effect?

Is a known side effect of pandemics in history, that's for sure.

by artappraiser on Sat, 07/25/2020 - 6:42pm

History repeats itself, first as tragedy, second as farce.

Karl Marx

by ocean-kat on Sat, 07/25/2020 - 6:43pm

Interesting that Der Spiegel sees a "Fire Devil"

https://adage.com/article/media/germanys-leading-newsweekly-decries-trumps-incendiary-approach/2261056

They are as subject to a pandemic as we are, and everyone else on the planet.

by artappraiser on Sat, 07/25/2020 - 7:03pm

good illustration of how suburbia in general isn't that friendly to radical extremism of any kind, that's a big reason people chose to live there

In 2018, the GOP was routed in suburban communities from coast to coast. Many 2020 polls show Trump facing unprecedented deficits for an R w/white college+ voters. How many of them look at this picture & say: yes, where I belong is in the same political coalition as that woman? https://t.co/TGqqePwap5
— Ronald Brownstein (@RonBrownstein) July 26, 2020

by artappraiser on Sat, 07/25/2020 - 9:52pm

Those of you who have followed me for a while know that I'll be beefing up the latest Austin Boogaloo thread. I'm just letting toxic twitter present itself for a bit so I can weed out the nasties.
— JJ MacNab (@jjmacnab) July 26, 2020

CSI Twitter is still going strong.
— JJ MacNab (@jjmacnab) July 26, 2020

What's a report bot? pic.twitter.com/N1mW2Howrn
— JJ MacNab (@jjmacnab) July 27, 2020

I include two of the most interesting replies to her question

it's so weird that people are mad that you called out that he was a boogaloo boy when his own facebook makes it pretty obvious.
— Quarantine Otter (@patronusisotter) July 27, 2020

It is weird.
— JJ MacNab (@jjmacnab) July 27, 2020

Twitter bots that can trigger the report algorithm by reporting at the same time, it won't work on you because you have a checkmark
— Punished (@WASNAPPIN) July 27, 2020

by artappraiser on Sun, 07/26/2020 - 11:29pm

oops deleted wrong paste

by artappraiser on Tue, 08/18/2020 - 12:40pm

Glued to this feed from Richmond. Boogaloo boi Mike Dunn has led a small army of heavily armed, fellow boog bois and militia dudes to protest gun control.

A few counterprotesters have shown up: militia guy says he's "tired of antifa burning towns and villages" https://t.co/TmKjEmQfqH
— Tess Owen (@misstessowen) August 18, 2020

by artappraiser on Tue, 08/18/2020 - 12:41pm

The Boogaloo Movement Is Not What You Think

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