Detention of Migrant Children Has Skyrocketed to Highest Levels Ever

By artappraiser on Wed, 09/12/2018 - 10:54pm |

Breaking News: The U.S. is holding a record 12,800 migrant children in detention, a fivefold increase from May 2017, data obtained by The Times shows https://t.co/ZHoOKQgUUR
— The New York Times (@nytimes) September 12, 2018

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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/12/us/migrant-children-detention.html

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Make no mistake about it, they're not as offensive as some have had, like in Australia and Italy, but we do have internment camps for foreign children in this country.

by artappraiser on Wed, 09/12/2018 - 11:49pm

Should they be called Trump's taxpayer funded MS-13 Development Centers or Trump's $750/day per inmate taxpayer all expense paid MS-13 Boot Camps?

by NCD on Wed, 09/12/2018 - 11:57pm

Spot on, perfect breeding ground for gangs, perfect!

by artappraiser on Thu, 09/13/2018 - 12:06am

The Trump administration is unable to account for the whereabouts of nearly 1,500 migrant children, drawing concerns that they could end up with human traffickers or be used as laborers by people posing as relatives https://t.co/E3cmWBMOIn
— The New York Times (@nytimes) September 19, 2018

by artappraiser on Wed, 09/19/2018 - 2:41pm

These are the unaccompanied minor illegal aliens who were taken into protective custody and we don't know how many thousands of others went directly into the sex trade, labor pool or wander the streets of sanctuary cities. It's a shame these children are being exploited by their own families who expect them to eventually get jobs and send money home. The only way to slow this exploitation is to return these children to their homes to make their parents lose the thousands of dollars they paid to the bloody vicious cartels who they handed their children to to be smuggled into the US.

by Peter (not verified) on Wed, 09/19/2018 - 5:16pm

Good to get an honest opinion from you instead of agitprop and name calling.

I don't necessarily agree.

In any case, the point of the article is that what you suggest: send them back home, that is not getting done. It's a misnomer to call it protective custody if they just disappear into thin air. Maybe they are still being "protected" but somebody is not keeping records. In itself: incompetence, no matter what the goal is, they don't know the true results.

by artappraiser on Wed, 09/19/2018 - 5:34pm

It may not be "agitprop" in that it's not designed to insult and anger those reading it. But it is propaganda. I've seen no reliable reporting that these children are being exploited by their families. That they are being sent north to be a source of money for their families. I doubt that analysis and I doubt that peter has information to make a reasonable assumption that's the case. He wants to demonize these immigrants in any way he can. It's hard to demonize children so he demonizes their parents.

The reporting I've seen describes these countries as dysfunctional with governments unable to protect the citizens from gang violence, rape, and the ruthless control of their territories by these gangs. This description is the norm and often doesn't even address immigration. Those articles that discuss immigration from these countries cite the dysfunction in the countries and claim that the parents are making the awful choice between the dangers in the country and the dangers of immigration to neighboring countries and the US. Those who choose to send their children away are deciding that the dangers of immigration, how ever great, are less than the dangers of continuing to live in the gang controlled territories.

Peter's analysis dehumanizes these parents in that it assumes a large proportion of the "others" in these brown countries lack parental compassion and love or any kind of maternal instinct we assume the parents in white civilized nations possess. It assumes these parents have a level of callousness towards their children we would find unimaginable among American parents, a complete lack of humanity, empathy, and love for their children as they simply weigh the economics of the choice and willing sell their children into what is essentially slavery for a few dollars. I find that explanation unlikely. It tells us a lot about peter that he likely believes this demonization of the other without any evidence to support it and so willingly spreads it.

It's in this type of demonization of the out group where I see the influence of tribalism, not simple disagreements over policy. I think it's a flawed analysis when so many of the articles discussing tribalism attempt to put almost all disagreements over policy into the box of tribalism or identity politics.

by ocean-kat on Wed, 09/19/2018 - 7:24pm

I despise people who exploit children for economic or partisan political reasons as some of your links appear to do. These children don't disappear because of misplaced paperwork and the inference that some are turned over to the sex trade or labor exploitation is fake news nonsense. HHS is mandated to protect and care for these children and they are housed in protective custody facilities that some people describe as prison like detention also for partisan political reasons. Many are returned to their home countries or released to family if they are found but more come and overload the system. Liberal immigration activists also extend the time these children wait in custody by flooding the court system with demands for citizen's rights and hearings for these alien children. Some of these children are fleeing violence in their home country but paying vicious cartels to smuggle them into the US is an insane method to protect them from danger. Most of them are being exploited for economic reasons IMO. The huge increase in the number of these children coming into the US is a response to the ending of liberal open border policies and the limiting of access to the land of economic opportunity. It's a sad fact that some people wil exploit their own children by selling them into the sex trade or economic slavery as is too common in Asia and what is happening here is a variation on that ecomnomic reality.

by Peter (not verified) on Thu, 09/20/2018 - 11:40am

Ok but you are avoiding the issue of the 1,500 missing. You can either have a competent government acting as protector of children until they are repatriated or you could like do a variant of the Norquist drown-in-a-bathtub thing, have a country so awful that young kids and teens don't even consider sneaking over the border from Latin America. Teens especially don't always do what their parents say, ya know, it's a known problem, even among co conservative parents, perhaps even more so in those cases.

by artappraiser on Thu, 09/20/2018 - 9:35pm

P.S. aside, on Trump in general: He constantly straight-out lies to his fans all the time, Peter. Here's a couple of examples within a few minutes during his rally tonight. Such blatant made up stuff, possibly worse than any politician in the history of the world, it's beyond me how anyone can continue to defend him. Aren't you insulted that he treats you all like dupes?

"Donald Trump and Republicans will protect patients with pre-existing conditions. We're going to do that," Trump says. His administration is arguing in court that Obamacare's pre-existing condition protections are unconstitutional and should be voided.
— Daniel Dale (@ddale8) September 21, 2018

by artappraiser on Thu, 09/20/2018 - 11:38pm

I recall being lied to and duped by Obama who I voted for once but Crooked Hillary was an incompetent liar so I avoided being duped by her. Trump says he and republicans will protect patients with P-ECs and I will believe him until and unless he doesn't follow through with his promise. Obamacare was built on lies and an unconstitutional mandate and I'll trust Trump to find a way to protect patients with P-ECs under a HC plan that is constitutional. Post-truth snowflakes believe only they can define what is true using emotional relativism but only true believers swallow this claptrap. I suppose TDS is now a P-EC so I understand your overemotional reaction to the DOJ refusing to defend the unconstitutional Obamacare. Fear not, the Dastardly Donald will keep his promise and treatment for this malady will be covered under Trumpcare.

by Peter (not verified) on Fri, 09/21/2018 - 11:17am

So you trust the guys who try to revoke the existing system without a plan. Cute. Worked so well in Iraq.

by PeraclesPlease on Fri, 09/21/2018 - 1:09pm

Republican politicians have secret plans to solve every problem that America faces. Except tax cuts. They have very clear and detailed plans about how they're going to cut taxes, the vast majority of the cuts going to the very rich. Funny though that whenever they get power they never seem to pass any of their secret plans. But they always find the time to pass the tax cut plan.

by ocean-kat on Fri, 09/21/2018 - 2:56pm

I fully admit I have found zero proof of his competence to do anything he claims to want to accomplish.

Believers like you in one man, a single man do have to deal with the problem of a supposed conspiracy against him that his supposed genius can't handle. So in this narrative, there are smarter, better adversaries out there, and he's just a poor schlump victim.

Just the other day he managed to insult a diehard fan country doing a simple contract signing.

And you trust your pre-existing condition coverage to someone who says nobody knew health care could be so complicated !?! Alone? With no one helping him? Congress couldn't do it so the Trump maestro of the health care system is gonna do that after he gets rid of the current law? You could literally die waiting.

Puhleez. You take hero savior worship to a whole new level, way way past the worst Obamabot of 2008: delusional and absurd.

I'd be willing to bet his statement is just like it sounded: he hasn't a clue that his administration is challenging that clause. He constantly speaks without knowing anything real. Just pie in the sky rantings and you fall for it. I would be ashamed if I were you, it's constantly a classic skit of falling for a grifter, constantly like the old Candid Camera TV show. Except you don't deserve laughing with you, you deserve laughing at you. Because his lies, his "stories" are so often just so blatant, the attempts of fans to rationalize are even more absurd.

by artappraiser on Fri, 09/21/2018 - 3:15pm

p.s. Those documents he promised to get you? Not coming He can always do it later, yadda yadda. Same old shit: We'll do it later. Health care, well okay, we'll do it later. Wall, well okay, we'll do it later. Rinse and repeat. Changes subject if pushback for a promise that was a lie gets too intense. Usually by attacking someone bringing up a culture wars issue, like say, fhe NFL, something he often picks up on watching Fox News, something that will create some buzz, take the attention away from proof that he was lying to his fans.

by artappraiser on Fri, 09/21/2018 - 3:47pm

I found a NPR report that better explains who these missing children are, they are already released children no longer in custody. Their sponsors are supposed to make certain they attend their hearings but over half of them never show up. The only tool HHS has to track these thousands of children after release is phone calls every 30 days. This is a problem that goes back at least to 2014 and it can't be easily solved especially if their sponsors are helping the children avoid HHS. Republicans and demcrats have grilled HHS about this problem and they say they are putting more resources into better vetting the sponsors some of whom used phony documents to take custody of these children. All of this is related to the large increase in the number of these children and the limited resources of HHS and homeland security. You need to better understand what is required for anyone especially children to make the transit from Central America, where many of these children come from, across Mexico and into the US. Some of these children might be able to save enough money to buy bus tickets and pay bribes, without their families help, to get to the US border but they need between five and ten thousand dollars to be smuggled across by the cartels who control this passage and transportation on the US side. The days of simply walking across the border are past for most people young or old and they must pay or be drug mules to cover the costs.

by Peter (not verified) on Thu, 09/20/2018 - 11:53pm

Quite simply warped, a normal person would not voice these thoughts much less to a reporter in a formal interview:

Christ. https://t.co/vuJQVAfD9Q
— Rick Wilson (@TheRickWilson) September 19, 2018

by artappraiser on Wed, 09/19/2018 - 7:48pm

I remember visiting DC and seeing the wall there. It was gorgeous though perhaps black wasn't the best color. Something more calming like blue or prettier, maybe purple. I think purple is the most pretty color, don't you? But the font they choose for the words they wrote on it was perfect. I'm thinking that maybe if we put names of Mexicans on our border wall it would help to get Mexico to pay for it. We could even let them pick the font.

by ocean-kat on Thu, 09/20/2018 - 1:18am

Waaaaaah....

Funding the wall wasn't an issue during the 2016 campaign, because... he said it would be paid for by Mexico. https://t.co/iM3IcnzQex
— Glenn Thrush (@GlennThrush) September 21, 2018

is like this (I have 4 younger bros.):

by artappraiser on Thu, 09/20/2018 - 9:44pm

Here's your wall - https://youtu.be/8iJMOBcPQyg

by PeraclesPlease on Fri, 09/21/2018 - 1:13pm

catchy tune but it's the animation that's awesome. heckuva lot more sophisticated than most of the artwork I'm seeing these days on general topic, nearly every frame packs a punch.

by artappraiser on Fri, 09/21/2018 - 2:40pm

Detention of Migrant Children Has Skyrocketed to Highest Levels Ever

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