Progressives would feel happier in their lives and be more effective negotiators too if they learned to incorporate a daily Joe Manchin Gratitude exercise into their lives. https://t.co/AMxAlnlNQL
Those that don't agree with him might also consider this:
Fun Fact: Andrew Yang is currently the 26th most popular politician in America. That's quite an accomplishment considering he only entered politics a few years ago. #YangGang https://t.co/ROOkm6ojjb
Also of interest: Arnold Schwarzenegger is right up there at #3 after Barack Obama and Jimmy Carter, and that they are the only 3 that rate over 50% in popularity.
Popularity is one thing, but Yang basically started a $1 million company or sold off a halfway-performing startup for $1 mill and then went to self-promoting. Not a stunning CV if we think he'll hold high office. May have good intentions, but ppl will want to see more.
I think he is popular because he talks about stuff like this. About actually doing things and not politics. Being active on the political internet, It's easy to forget how the majority of people still loathe politicians, partisanship and politics in general and like once in a while to hear common sense belief that technocrats can actually accomplish things:
I don't think he's going to run for anything. I think he's trying to harness discontent with politics and partisanship as fuel to start a new party.
I do think Obama, Carter and Schwarzenegger have some of the same popular appeal - "straight talk" - that partisanship politics are a bullshit waste of time, that they should not be what governing is about, that politics is all just people trying to make jobs for themselves that don't actually do anything but manipulate emotions and passions, they don't actually "work" at doing anything at all.
Founding Fathers didn't have Monday Night Football or March Madness.
Our later attributes are insane fandom of whatever team or club.
Sure, there's that 20 secs for the national anthem, then gloves come off.
The most popular governors tend to be moderates who are checking opposite-party state legislatures, and of the GOP trifecta governors the most popular ones are the ones who *aren’t* making national news with big initiatives.
Voters express a lot of unhappiness with American politics which activists and entrepreneurs of various stripes insists on interpreting as demand for big policy change, but at the state level at least there is a clear revealed preference for low-key status quo figures.
This thread reminds me - You know, once upon a time, conservative talk radio was dominated by a lot of gurus like Dennis Prager, who always said "happiness is a serious problem." They had Dr. Laura, etc. At the time, they were a wholesome juxtaposition to the raunchy sex advice letter writers like Dan Savage. Back then, conservatism liked people and understood them, while liberals hated people and thought they were all stupid. That appears to have flipped.
The Trump era seems to have pushed a lot of people like that in to some weird places. I have no idea what's going on with Dr. Laura but Prager is now a 100% culture war grievance artist. His content is entirely uninteresting and petty. Michael Medved is largely quiet. The whole right seems more obsessed with Russian talking points than any sort of life advice. George Will is now professionally dissing the Right on News Nation.
Progressivism seems to be the new conservatism, so someone somewhere should try filling that vacuum. I hear people talking about the loneliness epidemic - maybe advice on how to build community without forcing yourself in to someone's life.
and I was just looking at this on a tweet, decided that, unlike a lot of liberal fire over there, this one, it's quite true, and is part of what you are talking about, so I decided to steal it -
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The way I see it is that culture wars is not being played smart by either side. Just war for the sake of war, not looking to convince anyone, just to bay at the moon. BUT conservative culture warriors are extra ridiculous, because they're looking to please (and in most cases, profit monetarily off of) the most moronic people, the real losers, especially by using catchwords like "libtard" And it's not just educated liberal elite that are turned off by the antics, but just normies, normies see the above picture when they hear someone talking like that, even if they don't like political correctness and cancel culture either. They're quiet, they don't express their feelings about it, but you can be sure that they will stay as far away from such a person as possible. So what is the goal beyond making money off an audience of yahoos, preaching to the choir? We know Trump does just to stroke his narcissism. What about the others, though? They're just teaching their audience to be disliked by like, their own extended family...normal people don't think continual name calling gets you anywhere...
the point: one could easily fight back against things like CRT or trans activism in a more civilized, intelligent way, a way that would be much more insidious and harder to fight back against. BUT they don't. It's almost like they intend to fail and continually play the victimhood/loser game (one hell of a way to MAGA not.)
I keep seeing progressives on Twitter say that canceling student debt is going to boost Biden's popularity, but I think Americans are in a resentful and stingy enough mood where the opposite may happen https://t.co/0Qx1rcXpYm
yes it's just a stingy mood, not the fact that every single american who paid their debt off, as well as every american who never went to college, is obviously getting fucked
It's kinda like the GI Bill w/o fighting in WWII and handed out lump sum in '58. Quite motivational I'm sure. A chicken in every pot. Now, about those divinity degrees...
he was Pres. Obama's speechwriter, among other things -
No, and I’ve argued this over and over. Without Manchin, we wouldn’t have had a Covid rescue package, an infrastructure bill that’s creating jobs, and an incredibly diverse slate of great judges, including KJB.
edit to add, also this was good in reply to Yglesias
I also think it’s odd that experienced pundits like Atrios are surprised that Manchin first establishes his bona fides to lobby an R audience by dismissing BBB before asking same audiences to listen to his endorsement. He knows his state better than we do.
WHOA, seems almost like ALL THE HATERS OF "PROGRESSIVES" IN THE DEM PARTY ARE UNCLOAKING with the defeat of Nina Turner by Shontel Brown in Ohio! Makes Yglesias complaints look mild; normally the same but mad as hell and can't take it anymore? "Nina Turner" is trending on Twitter with hundreds of tweets like this -
I am so happy both about Shontel's win and about Nina's loss. I wish Nina Turner would just go away.
The majority of Nina Turner’s fan base of far left loonies who attack Democrats all day and the other 90% are bots Again, we don’t like being harrassed for liking Shontel Brown, someone who is doing the work. Nina got a shellacking—and it was deserved. Goodnight
House Democrat Shontel Brown has defeated primary challenger Nina Turner in a 40 point blowout. It’s clear that Democratic voters simply aren’t in the mood for divisive candidates. We’re going to unite and win the midterms. Let’s do this!
As an OH-11 voter,I want to talk about Nina Turner and Shontel Brown for a second:
Shontel Brown is a liberal. She is not a centrist or rightwing by any measure. Nina lost because the people of Ohio-11 don't trust a person who thought Dems and Repubs were the same thing. https://t.co/mya2rUjcb2
The Democratic Party is never going to capitulate to the alt-left because Democratic VOTERS don't like the alt-left.
— Spandan @ Reclaim the Fight (@reclaimthefight) May 4, 2022
I will lose my cool if I hear Nina Turner, Van Jones, Marc LaMont Hill, Cornell West, Eddie Glaude, Susan Sarandon, Linda Sarsour, Rosario Dawson, Jill Stein, Rashid Talib, Illan Omar, AOC . . .
about how much they care about women's rights.
p.s. I still stand by my suggestion that more than a handful of Democratic leaders need to do "Sister Souljah moments" against The Woke. Not behind closed doors as they have until now, but publicly and prominently. Would totally defang many of the GOP culture wars tactics. I.E., for chrissake it's a no brainer to decry CRT in the schools and teaching 2nd graders about 12 choices of gender...
Can everyone all at once tell @SusanSarandon to sit this one out? She’s caused enough trouble. Us real progressives will take it from here. https://t.co/xq9B3UIPg8
Susan Sarandon says one reason she won’t endorse Hillary Clinton in a general election against Donald Trump is that “she could have health issues.” that's aged well
When asked if she said Hillary would be as bad as Trump she answered "no, but i don't mind the quote".
2 years later she said Hillary would've gotten us into war, not realizing we still had 11,000 troops in Afghanistan, nevermind how Trump led this road to Ukraine invasion.
And her "i don't vote with my vagina" echoed by Killer Mike was the perfect pairing with Trump's "grab em by the pussy" for a snatch-and-sniff election and an end to #MeToo.
Yet the media does love amplifying the left so their complaints seem bigger than they are. We've spent more energy on male trannies competing in women's sports than in protecting abortion that affects the 50% suspect breeders out there, debates over CRT and 1619 Project in Kindergarten more important than children's access to healthcare, job-enabling education, and protection from being shot.
Biden's fighting back today, trying to grab some of the Manchin types and establishment GOP away from "UltraMAGA" -
President Biden: "I reduced the federal deficit. All the talk about the deficit from my Republican friends, I love it. I've reduced it $350 billion in my first year in office. [...] I don't want to hear Republicans talk about deficits and their ultra-MAGA agenda." pic.twitter.com/rhbBkja5E1
.@POTUS: "Let me tell you about this ultra-MAGA agenda. It's extreme, as most MAGA things are. It will actually raise taxes on 75 million American families, over 95% of whom make less than $100,000 a year. Among the hardest hit? Working families." pic.twitter.com/7ThfXtRTUU
‘Social security is something seniors have paid in for their whole life. And it has to be reauthorized?’ — Pres. Biden sent out a warning that Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid could be in danger due to FL Sen. Rick Scott’s ‘Ultra-MAGA Agenda’ pic.twitter.com/bT7P7XKEfo
But what they’ve always been right about is you can’t rely on “mobilization” or “demographics is destiny” to avoid engaging with actual public opinion. https://t.co/0aqs4devnPpic.twitter.com/y3hapBCaJ8
The DLC hated Jesse Jackson but I think his rhetoric here represents an appealing alternative to their ideas while also sounding very different (and much better) than contemporary progressive takes.https://t.co/0aqs4devnPpic.twitter.com/inTfuiT4Wp
I’ve endorsed @RepMcKinley in West Virginia who voted for the infrastructure bill and the Jan 6 commission. He is running against a Trump-endorsed candidate in the Republican primary today. If you are in WV vote for David McKinley! https://t.co/xhLaeNVyMw
White House press sec. Jen Psaki tells @MaryKBruce that Pres. Biden came up with new "ultra-MAGA" label himself because he is struck by “how extreme some of the policies and proposals are that a certain wing of the Republican Party…are advocating for.” https://t.co/8GJN4s4cV2pic.twitter.com/cDqrZv13rQ
Since 2012, Democrats have moved left — on social issues, yes, but also on economics, climate change, and a bunch of other things. From me and @mattyglesias: https://t.co/LfsXsuKySh
The policy changes have their pros and cons but you could debate how much of it is really a move left versus evolving with society. I think the absolute biggest changes have been rhetorical. Fewer Democrats speak like normal people and pepper their language with university buzz words that, frankly, can be really loaded and alienating for anyone not on the far end of the progressive spectrum. I think that change is much more important to perceptions than any shift left in policy preferences, not that those don't exist.
Obviously Trump tax cuts changed a lot, the increasing success of solar and EVs affected goals, i recall dropping welfare age to 60 under Obama? But maybe Biden really has pushed things left (which Hillary did as well trying to appease the Bernie wing). It's hard to tell whether much of the woke stuff is supposed to change anything, or just make a theoretical point.
Note that no one but wonks actually reads the platform, so it's a place for the engaged activists to park their aspirations. In 2016 they got to write a large chunk of the platform & then disappeared up in the Dakotas to fret over pipelines til November. In 2020 it was an early Xmas gift named Kamala. In 2008 it was the candidate himself, marginally-liberal as he was. We'll see what the next appeasement to the Gods looks like. "Joe and the volcano 2"?)
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Those that don't agree with him might also consider this:
by artappraiser on Tue, 04/26/2022 - 10:56pm
Also of interest: Arnold Schwarzenegger is right up there at #3 after Barack Obama and Jimmy Carter, and that they are the only 3 that rate over 50% in popularity.
by artappraiser on Tue, 04/26/2022 - 11:04pm
Popularity is one thing, but Yang basically started a $1 million company or sold off a halfway-performing startup for $1 mill and then went to self-promoting. Not a stunning CV if we think he'll hold high office. May have good intentions, but ppl will want to see more.
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 04/27/2022 - 2:21am
I think he is popular because he talks about stuff like this. About actually doing things and not politics. Being active on the political internet, It's easy to forget how the majority of people still loathe politicians, partisanship and politics in general and like once in a while to hear common sense belief that technocrats can actually accomplish things:
I don't think he's going to run for anything. I think he's trying to harness discontent with politics and partisanship as fuel to start a new party.
I do think Obama, Carter and Schwarzenegger have some of the same popular appeal - "straight talk" - that partisanship politics are a bullshit waste of time, that they should not be what governing is about, that politics is all just people trying to make jobs for themselves that don't actually do anything but manipulate emotions and passions, they don't actually "work" at doing anything at all.
by artappraiser on Wed, 04/27/2022 - 3:03pm
and here it is, what I said:
by artappraiser on Wed, 04/27/2022 - 6:57pm
Founding Fathers didn't have Monday Night Football or March Madness.
Our later attributes are insane fandom of whatever team or club.
Sure, there's that 20 secs for the national anthem, then gloves come off.
by PeraclesPlease on Thu, 04/28/2022 - 12:32am
by artappraiser on Thu, 04/28/2022 - 12:08pm
^especially note the top two are Republican governors of states that are normally considered "blue"
by artappraiser on Thu, 04/28/2022 - 12:15pm
Half of the top are Republicans over Republican legislatures.
by PeraclesPlease on Fri, 04/29/2022 - 1:50am
This thread reminds me - You know, once upon a time, conservative talk radio was dominated by a lot of gurus like Dennis Prager, who always said "happiness is a serious problem." They had Dr. Laura, etc. At the time, they were a wholesome juxtaposition to the raunchy sex advice letter writers like Dan Savage. Back then, conservatism liked people and understood them, while liberals hated people and thought they were all stupid. That appears to have flipped.
The Trump era seems to have pushed a lot of people like that in to some weird places. I have no idea what's going on with Dr. Laura but Prager is now a 100% culture war grievance artist. His content is entirely uninteresting and petty. Michael Medved is largely quiet. The whole right seems more obsessed with Russian talking points than any sort of life advice. George Will is now professionally dissing the Right on News Nation.
Progressivism seems to be the new conservatism, so someone somewhere should try filling that vacuum. I hear people talking about the loneliness epidemic - maybe advice on how to build community without forcing yourself in to someone's life.
Just thinking out loud.
by Orion on Wed, 04/27/2022 - 1:55am
and I was just looking at this on a tweet, decided that, unlike a lot of liberal fire over there, this one, it's quite true, and is part of what you are talking about, so I decided to steal it -
The way I see it is that culture wars is not being played smart by either side. Just war for the sake of war, not looking to convince anyone, just to bay at the moon. BUT conservative culture warriors are extra ridiculous, because they're looking to please (and in most cases, profit monetarily off of) the most moronic people, the real losers, especially by using catchwords like "libtard" And it's not just educated liberal elite that are turned off by the antics, but just normies, normies see the above picture when they hear someone talking like that, even if they don't like political correctness and cancel culture either. They're quiet, they don't express their feelings about it, but you can be sure that they will stay as far away from such a person as possible. So what is the goal beyond making money off an audience of yahoos, preaching to the choir? We know Trump does just to stroke his narcissism. What about the others, though? They're just teaching their audience to be disliked by like, their own extended family...normal people don't think continual name calling gets you anywhere...
the point: one could easily fight back against things like CRT or trans activism in a more civilized, intelligent way, a way that would be much more insidious and harder to fight back against. BUT they don't. It's almost like they intend to fail and continually play the victimhood/loser game (one hell of a way to MAGA not.)
by artappraiser on Wed, 04/27/2022 - 3:22am
and quit lauding Stacey Abrams like she's some kind of winner?
by artappraiser on Sat, 04/30/2022 - 1:17am
by artappraiser on Sun, 05/01/2022 - 11:16am
It's kinda like the GI Bill w/o fighting in WWII and handed out lump sum in '58. Quite motivational I'm sure. A chicken in every pot. Now, about those divinity degrees...
by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 05/01/2022 - 2:14pm
he was Pres. Obama's speechwriter, among other things -
edit to add, also this was good in reply to Yglesias
by artappraiser on Tue, 05/03/2022 - 4:32pm
I agree.
by artappraiser on Tue, 05/03/2022 - 4:21pm
WHOA, seems almost like ALL THE HATERS OF "PROGRESSIVES" IN THE DEM PARTY ARE UNCLOAKING with the defeat of Nina Turner by Shontel Brown in Ohio! Makes Yglesias complaints look mild; normally the same but mad as hell and can't take it anymore? "Nina Turner" is trending on Twitter with hundreds of tweets like this -
AOC and her "Squad" next? (She proudly endorsed Nina Turner)
by artappraiser on Wed, 05/04/2022 - 1:11am
p.s. I still stand by my suggestion that more than a handful of Democratic leaders need to do "Sister Souljah moments" against The Woke. Not behind closed doors as they have until now, but publicly and prominently. Would totally defang many of the GOP culture wars tactics. I.E., for chrissake it's a no brainer to decry CRT in the schools and teaching 2nd graders about 12 choices of gender...
by artappraiser on Wed, 05/04/2022 - 1:17am
I thought CRT in Kindergarten was a myth - that with the 1619 Project they didn't even have time.
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 05/04/2022 - 2:25am
oh look, it's a start
by artappraiser on Wed, 05/04/2022 - 2:36am
Susan Sarandon says one reason she won’t endorse Hillary Clinton in a general election against Donald Trump is that “she could have health issues.” that's aged well
When asked if she said Hillary would be as bad as Trump she answered "no, but i don't mind the quote".
2 years later she said Hillary would've gotten us into war, not realizing we still had 11,000 troops in Afghanistan, nevermind how Trump led this road to Ukraine invasion.
And her "i don't vote with my vagina" echoed by Killer Mike was the perfect pairing with Trump's "grab em by the pussy" for a snatch-and-sniff election and an end to #MeToo.
Yet the media does love amplifying the left so their complaints seem bigger than they are. We've spent more energy on male trannies competing in women's sports than in protecting abortion that affects the 50% suspect breeders out there, debates over CRT and 1619 Project in Kindergarten more important than children's access to healthcare, job-enabling education, and protection from being shot.
by PeraclesPlease on Thu, 05/05/2022 - 12:21pm
Biden's fighting back today, trying to grab some of the Manchin types and establishment GOP away from "UltraMAGA" -
by artappraiser on Wed, 05/04/2022 - 4:05pm
by artappraiser on Thu, 05/05/2022 - 9:25am
Jackson did that Rainbow thing much better - and whites were never left out.
by PeraclesPlease on Thu, 05/05/2022 - 12:25pm
Andrew Yang totally gets it:
by artappraiser on Tue, 05/10/2022 - 9:05am
Biden selling moderation in all things:
note usage of "a certain wing of the Republican party".
Now if he just do a couple Sister Souljah's of select Woke, we'd be all set.
by artappraiser on Tue, 05/10/2022 - 7:27pm
Instead of "ultra" as a little pop, perhaps "deploraMAGAs" is available - have to check.
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 05/11/2022 - 5:18am
by artappraiser on Wed, 05/11/2022 - 6:36am
Obviously Trump tax cuts changed a lot, the increasing success of solar and EVs affected goals, i recall dropping welfare age to 60 under Obama? But maybe Biden really has pushed things left (which Hillary did as well trying to appease the Bernie wing). It's hard to tell whether much of the woke stuff is supposed to change anything, or just make a theoretical point.
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 05/11/2022 - 8:59am
Note that no one but wonks actually reads the platform, so it's a place for the engaged activists to park their aspirations. In 2016 they got to write a large chunk of the platform & then disappeared up in the Dakotas to fret over pipelines til November. In 2020 it was an early Xmas gift named Kamala. In 2008 it was the candidate himself, marginally-liberal as he was. We'll see what the next appeasement to the Gods looks like. "Joe and the volcano 2"?)
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 05/11/2022 - 9:37am