Philly Inquirer's report at the link has been updated with more content since the tweet below:
Philadelphia Police fatally shot a 27 year old Black man this afternoon in West Philly. Two officers fired multiple times, and video shows the man was holding a knife about 10 ft away from the officers when they fired. https://t.co/sF631TqiRR
Philadelphia police fatally shot a Black man who waved a knife while standing on a street, an encounter the police commissioner says “raises many questions.” In resulting protests, 30 officers were injured. https://t.co/JAGbDTduAW
In May 1999, two of LAPDs dumbest, shot and killed a known mentally unstable neighborhood transient female named Margaret Mitchell on suspicion of possessing a stolen shopping cart and then brandishing a 12-inch long screwdriver. In broad daylight.
Sigh, big time looting in Philly (just what we need right before the election, if it keeps up, watch NJ go red):
More looting at Walmart in Philadelphia, PA. They're running amok. Looks like some TVs for their hungry children. There literally is bread there, and I don't see anybody with a loaf. #Phillypic.twitter.com/ZZ2OQvfNl8
Democrats just aren't spinning this the right way. The mayor needs to go on tv and announce that in cooperation with Walmart the city of Philadelphia has decided to pay reparations for slavery. I'm sure they can get some BLM leaders who claim looting is reparations to come on and thank the mayor.
More looting unfolding right now in Philadelphia and I have to ask why is it always footlocker getting looted? I mean having brand new sneakers isn’t that important end it definitely won’t help anyone. pic.twitter.com/WSCfee4RNT
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I am seeing comments that "rioting" is also supposedly breaking out in D.C. tonight as well, following protests over the killing of Koran Hylton. though I haven't seen much on it yet:
Protesters in DC have punched holes in the glass of the police building on Georgia Ave demanding justice for Koran Hylton, a 20 yr old killed Friday in a police traffic stop #dcprotestspic.twitter.com/0VMO9PhXI3
BREAKING VIDEO: Mother of Karon Hylton, who was murdered by DC Metro Police, confronts officers outside of the local precinct. #DCProtestspic.twitter.com/NzzJ60jtLS
Our hearts are broken for the family of Walter Wallace Jr., and for all those suffering the emotional weight of learning about another Black life in America lost. We cannot accept that in this country a mental health crisis ends in death. It makes the shock and grief and violence of yesterday’s shooting that much more painful, especially for a community that has already endured so much trauma. Walter Wallace’s life, like too many others’, was a Black life that mattered — to his mother, to his family, to his community, to all of us.
At the same time, no amount of anger at the very real injustices in our society excuses violence. Attacking police officers and vandalizing small businesses, which are already struggling during a pandemic, does not bend the moral arc of the universe closer to justice. It hurts our fellow citizens. Looting is not a protest, it is a crime. It draws attention away from the real tragedy of a life cut short. As a nation, we are strong enough to both meet the challenges of real police reform, including implementing a national use of force standard, and to maintain peace and security in our communities. That must be our American mission. That is how we will deliver real justice. All Donald Trump does is fan the flames of division in our society. He is incapable of doing the real work to bring people together. We will.
We are all praying for the entire Wallace family, and for our nation, that we may move toward healing.
He tweeted a link to it like this:
Our hearts are broken for the family of Walter Wallace Jr., and for all those suffering the emotional weight of learning about another Black life in America lost.
just saw on rerun on TV, Wallace's father, Walter Wallace Sr. and the family's attorney appeared on CNN. Though clearly not used to talking in public, his father so incredibly eloquently and with great reasoning spoke against the rioting and looting and asked for it to stop, so that this would not be associated with his son's name but also because it is a destruction of their own community which needs those businesses. He also said he had faith in our justice system! He is one cool head. I was very impressed, he could be my dad anytime.
Protesters took to the streets after officers in Philadelphia shot and killed a Black man who was holding a knife in an encounter officials say raises questions.
“It could have been dealt with in a different way,” says Walter Wallace Sr., father of Walter Wallace Jr. pic.twitter.com/bebr5Janb1
When the dispatch came out, all Officer Thaddeus Hines knew was that there was a person having a “mental crisis” and “possibly armed with a knife,” two elements that will make any cop’s heart race.
Hines, 24, walked up to the ramshackle boardinghouse and gently knocked. The police officer for Burlington in North Carolina was directed to a back bedroom, where he stopped at an open doorway to see a woman sitting cross-legged on a bare mattress, shrieking at him to leave. A 13-inch knife sat inches from her right hand.
“I have been on cocaine and I’m suicidal,” the woman yelled. “I’m feeling no pain. I’m at the point where I don’t know what to do anymore.”
“Will you let me help you?” Hines asked without raising his voice.
The woman’s volume dropped. She asked why he would want to help.
“I want to help you because I think everybody’s life is valuable,” Hines said.
Five minutes after Hines arrived, the woman tossed her knife to the floor. Hines took her for mental health treatment. No one was arrested or hurt.
For many years, in these situations, police have been trained to meet force with more force, drawing their weapon and ordering the subject to drop that knife.
Now, in training academies around the country, officers are watching the video of Hines and others performing de-escalation. The training teaches police to create space, slow things down, ask open-ended questions and hold off reaching for their guns to avoid ramping up confrontation.
After frustrations over police violence ignited protests and calls for reform nationwide, de-escalation is gaining new prominence among law enforcement and winning over once-skeptical cops who thought such training would get them killed.
There is a surge in crime. No one knows why. In West Philly, the response to crime was to drop a bomb. When Blacks complained of crime, the result was mass incarceration via the 1994 Crime Bill. Don't expect a similar plea for responding to crime in 2020.
When police departments are criticized, they pull back. They feel zero empathy for the community. If they are not allowed to fuck up at will, they complain.
No one knows why. ? It shouldn't be rocket science to anyone who reads the news rigorously and doesn't cherry pick for one p.o.v.
The current "surge" is all in gun violence, shootings with guns. Nothing else (yet! there are signs other kinds of crime may start surging soon, like robbery, theft, carjacking....)
During ramifications of coronavirus lockdown--high stress, stuck in lockdown, losing jobs, no money. At the same time,"George Floyd" revival of BLM happened. With tons of protests that kept cops busy, including the more radical pushing against curfews all of which kept cops away from doing their regular work. Then there was this concurrent result, the kicker
There's only so many cops in a city at any one time. If a whole bunch of people decide to start looting or rioting at like at 20 locations, they simply cannot handle it and their regular work.
It would have helped if we had a president who made fighting coronavirus a unified national reaction like the reaction to the attacks of 9/11, where we all come together. And same thing with the related mass hysteria reaction to the George Floyd video when people were in lockdown over coronavirus at the same time.
Unfortunately, we didn't have that. Instead we had a president who stoked tribal divisions further. And some protesters who want to stoke those as well for differing reasons.
I find it tragic that too many in this country don't seem to be able to unify against a common enemy (in this case, coronavirus) without a strong national leader telling them what to do. The tribal-stoking idiocy of the Trump administration shouldn't have mattered as much as it does when a virus is the main enemy.
And then more people went out and bought guns. And now we have to deal with those many more guns in the hands of citizens and being traded on the streets for a very long time.
It's a second epidemic that will be very difficult to solve now. A President Biden is going to have big problems because all of those extra guns are out there now, and so will inner cities.
Some experts have cited the protests over the police killings of George Floyd and others — which could’ve had a range of effects, from officers pulling back from their duties to greater community distrust in police, leading to more unchecked violence. Others point to the bad economy. Another potential factor is a huge increase in gun purchases this year. Still others posit boredom and social displacement as a result of physical distancing leading people to cause more trouble.
Above all, though, experts caution it’s simply been a very unusual year with the Covid-19 pandemic. That makes it difficult to say what, exactly, is happening with crime rates. “The current year, 2020, is an extreme deviation from baseline — extreme,” Tracey Meares, founding director at the Justice Collaboratory at Yale Law School, told me.
That offers a bit of good news: It’s possible that the end of the pandemic will come and homicide rates will fall again, as they generally have for the past few decades in the US. But no one knows for sure if that will happen, or if we’re now seeing a shift in long-term trends.
Uncertainty about what’s going on isn’t exactly new in the field of criminal justice. Rates of crime and violence have plummeted over the past few decades in the US, yet there is no agreed-upon explanation for why. There are theories applying the best evidence, research, and data available, ranging from changes in policing to a drop in lead exposure to the rise of video games. But there’s no consensus.
That a decades-long phenomenon is still so hard to explain shows the need for humility before jumping to conclusions about the current trends.
“We don’t know nearly enough to know what’s going on at the given moment,” Jennifer Doleac, director of the Justice Tech Lab, told me. “The current moment is so unusual for so many different reasons that … it’s really hard to speculate about broad phenomena that are driving these trends when we’re not even sure if there’s a trend yet.”
It’s important to keep the rise in historical perspective. Murder in New York was up 25 percent compared with last year as of June 14, but that total was the same one the city had in 2015. Murder is up 22 percent in Chicago, but it’s down 6 percent from where it was at this time in 2017. Murder is up 42 percent in New Orleans, but a year ago murder was its lowest point there in almost half a century.
“These numbers do not tell a story that supports any ideological side of the debate around policing,” Mr. Goff said. “What it supports at most is a need for rigorous curiosity about a vital issue.”
There is no consensus on why crime dropped, even during a recession. There is no consensus on why crime is piking now. I'm not cherry-picking, I'm following the experts.
Four theories on why homicides are spiking. Theories, not undisputed causes.
I would love to know a definition of the bubble you think I am in. I live in the Bronx. But you clearly avoid saying anything about yourself or where you live for some strange reason. (Except that you have in the past claimed to be representative of "the black community", something with which I am sure my black relatives across the country and my black neighbors would not agree.
You are now in this comment doing something you often do, changing the topic from the actual facts cited by manyof this year's crime surge being exclusively about gun violence to long term crime problems plaguing certain inner cities and not others.
BTW, in NYC, a reminder we had basically SOLVED the latter problem until now. NYC was far far far safer than like Chicago or Milwaukee all through the Bloomberg years and before. It's not rocket science, it's really not. It was solved here in NYC, we proved it. No one should have to live like we did here in the 80's and no one should have to live like they still do in Milwaukee, Chicago or Baltimore. It does not take reforming police to accomplish that. Reforming police did not happen-many NYPD are still assholes like they were before--but crime basically disappeared and for a very long time. And I mean disappeared, I mean not having to lock your car or your back door, I mean a woman alone walking on empty streets of the Bronx in the middle of the night unassaulted, and I mean no one being afraid of anyone else on the subway. It is possible, we had it until this year.
Shaka Johnson, the family attorney for #WalterWallace Jr, says he doesn’t think the family wants the officers who killed their son to be charged with murder because they were “improperly trained and did not have the proper equipment” pic.twitter.com/dyGxWLoQQ4
Ayana Jones Philly Tribune Staff Writer, 17 hrs ago, with photos
Jameelah Scurry is left feeling violated after looters stole all the merchandise from her clothing and accessories shop.
The owner of La’vanter Boutique at 1334 W. Venango St. watched in disbelief as security video footage showed looters ransacking her business on Tuesday.
Her boutique joins a score of small businesses and big-box stores that were looted throughout Philadelphia during the unrest sparked by the fatal police shooting of Walter Wallace Jr. on Monday in West Philadelphia.
“When I got to the store it was completely empty,” said Scurry, who marked her second year in business. “I couldn’t believe it. I just bust out crying.”
This marked the second time her boutique was burglarized, with the earlier incident occurring in August. Like other entrepreneurs she was also dealing with the pandemic’s economic impact.
“We were just recovering from all of that, so this was devastating,” Scurry said.
Scurry quit her job to become a business owner. She and her brother sold the family house and invested their personal savings into launching the boutique two years ago.
“There just were a lot of sacrifices and people don’t understand that,” Scurry said. “We’re not successful yet. We’re still struggling entrepreneurs. We’re not a big corporation. We’re not millionaires. We can’t bounce back from certain things.”
People have stepped up to support Scurry’s GoFundMe campaign to assist in rebuilding the business.
“It’s a blessing,” she said of the donations and kind words from community members.
Meanwhile the owners of Hafiz Sisters Beauty Supply at 59 W. Chelten Ave. are trying to figure out their next move after their shop was looted early Wednesday morning.
The security gate at the storefront was dislodged and then looters smashed the front glass window. Petty cash and beauty supplies were taken from the store.
“We are blessed that they didn’t come with shopping bags, like they did other stores and take everything,” said Zainab Hafiz-Moore, a co-owner of beauty supply store.
“We can come back God willing,” she said.
Hafiz-Moore along with her sister, Atiyya Flournoy, and their husbands, Jerrell Flournoy and Troy Moore, opened the shop on Chelten Avenue last year, becoming one of Philadelphia’s few Black-owned beauty supply owners.
“We’re kind of in a stall pattern because we are trying to determine what our next move is and continue doing business under these circumstances,” said Troy Moore, a co-owner of Hafiz Sisters.
“The sad thing about this whole thing is that unfortunately everyone is pressured because of COVID, and they just took some opportunities to do some things maliciously. Unfortunately we have that 10% that always is looking for a reason to do some damage where they can get away with it and this may fall under that umbrella.”
Troy Moore said the looting and vandalism of local commercial corridors and shopping centers will have a ripple impact on the affected communities.
“It affects all of us, especially the seniors that look to have that comfort to walk to their neighborhood shopping centers, as opposed to having to drive (a) distance,” he said.
According to a Philadelphia Department of Commerce spokesperson, more than 200 businesses were burglarized Tuesday night [....]
By Michael D’Onofrio, Philly Tribune Staff Writer, 9 hrs ago, with photo
The National Guard was deployed in Philadelphia Friday. Gov. Tom Wolf authorized the deployment on Tuesday.
Since Monday, the city has arrested 212 individuals and issued 18 code violation notices, according to the Kenney administration. The city has reported 443 looting incidents, 22 ATM explosions during that time, and damage to 18 law enforcement vehicles.
Fifty-eight police officers have been injured, of which one remains hospitalized.
The Kenney administration put in place a citywide curfew on Wednesday but did not impose one on Thursday.
In a joint statement from Kenney, city District Attorney Larry Krasner, Police Commissioner Danielle Outlaw and the Wallace family:
This is a developing story. Check back withphillytrib.comfor updates.
By Michael D’Onofrio, Philly Tribune Staff Writer, Oct 28, 2020, with photo showing press conference
(I find it unfortunate to have to note this but necessary considering the circumstances: The City Council president and his colleagues presenting the conference in the photo are all black.)
Philadelphia legislators pledged to boost police department funding to ensure every officer is equipped with a Taser following the fatal police shooting of a Black man this week.
On Wednesday, Council President Darrell Clarke committed to immediately transferring as much as $9.5 million for the purchase of the non-lethal weapons, although the exact amount needed to outfit the entire force with Tasers remained unclear.
“If the police say we need some additional money to accelerate the purchase of Tasers, that’s a simple ask,” Clarke said while flanked by a handful of members of City Council outside City Hall.
Clarke said the Council would act if the Kenney administration proposed the funding request.
His comments came three days after the fatal police shooting of Walter Wallace Jr. in the 6100 block of Locust Street in West Philadelphia. Two officers shot Wallace, who was wielding a knife, after a dispute. The shooting was captured on video and widely shared on social media.
Wallace’s family has reportedly said he had a bipolar disorder and they called 911 that day for an ambulance — not a police response.
The fatal police shooting ignited protests, as well as looting and rioting in the city. Philadelphia officials imposed a 9 p.m. curfew on Wednesday as the civil unrest was expected to continue.
Outlaw has said the officers involved in the shooting did not have Tasers, which deliver an electric shock that temporarily stuns the target.
Approximately a third of the police force of 2,301 officers have completed proper training to carry Tasers and are required to carry them on duty, according to The Philadelphia Inquirer.
The city allotted $4.5 million for the police department this year to purchase Tasers, among other things. Police officials aim to have a Taser on every officer’s belt within five years, which is part of a $14 million proposed spending plan during that time for the non-lethal weapons and other things.
Clarke said the 17-member City Council would accelerate that five-year funding plan.
Protests in Philadelphia for police reforms following the police killing of George Floyd in Minneapolis pushed city leaders to reduce the police department’s budget, too. But while the police department saw its budget dip $14 million to $727 million, the cuts amounted to diverting the funding to other city departments.
Wallace’s family has reportedly said he had a bipolar disorder and they called 911 that day for an ambulance — not a police response.
Just to point out the obvious, what did the family think paramedics in that ambulance were going to do with a man with a knife? Paramedics have limited medical training to stabilize a person in an emergency situation enough to rush him to the hospital for treatment by more well trained medical professionals, doctors and nurses. They can stop the bleeding, perform cpr, remove obstructions from the airway etc. When confronted by a man with a knife the first thing they're going to do is call the police. What ever the family wanted the person taking the 911 call would have been trained to send the police the moment some one mentioned the person had a knife.
By Marquise Francis National Reporter & Producer @ Sports.Yahoo.com, Oct. 31
[....] Inadequate mental health intervention has been shown to lead to fatal law enforcement encounters. Adults with severe mental illness account for one in four people killed in police encounters, according to a 2015 report from the Treatment Advocacy Center, a national nonprofit organization based in Arlington, Va. Individuals with untreated mental illness are 16 times more likely to be killed in an encounter with law enforcement than other civilians. Meanwhile, individuals with serious mental illness account for only 3 percent to 5 percent of violent acts, according to the Health and Human Services Department. [....]
In reaction to the video and the fallout from the shooting, Zeek Arkham, a Black police officer in New York state, shared his views on the encounter in a tweet that has since gone viral.
“I’m Black. I’m a cop. I’ve also had hours of de-escalation training,” he tweeted on Tuesday. “With that said: No matter your color, mental status, prior condition, or mood, if you run at me with a knife, I will shoot you. Many times. The end. #Philadelphia #phillyriots #BlueLivesMatter.”
In a follow-up interview with Yahoo News, Arkham, 42, expanded on his point of view.
“When he's swinging the knife around, there's no way to de-escalate something like that,” he said. “If he's already decided he's going to be violent, he's already decided that something's going to happen. I don't know of any way you can talk someone down from that, aside from giving them multiple commands to drop their weapons. ... I believe the cops did everything they could.”
While many Twitter users agreed with Arkham, others criticized the idea that nothing else could have been done.
Another Black officer from a police department in Southern California, who agreed to speak to Yahoo News on condition of anonymity, said the video of the encounter showed that the officers put their profession ahead of their humanity, adding, “Too many cops get that mixed up.”
“When I saw the video and I heard about it, it was absolutely disturbing to me,” the veteran officer told Yahoo News. “As cops, we don’t like to Monday night quarterback other cops … [but] what I saw on video was a whole bunch of cops who didn’t know what they were doing and didn’t have a plan. They’re running around the car like it was a merry-go-round. In my 14 years, you don’t go into a situation like this without a plan.”
The officer added that a proper plan would have involved at least a taser, or another form of nonlethal weapon, which the officers in Philadelphia did not have. He also emphasized the need for more mental health services, which are severely underfunded nationwide.
“Monday through Friday, we are the mental health services, the homeless outreach services and more,” the officer said. “It’s a lot.”
Crystal Navarro, the clinical director at Rise Above the Disorder, a non-profit dedicated to making mental health care accessible to everyone, says that, “Fear can be a product of ignorance”.
“About 1 in 5 people in the U.S. struggle with mental illness,” Navarro, 25, told Yahoo News. “Our first responders, especially police officers, need to be trained by mental health professionals to understand those with mental illness, [including education] about different disorders, the symptoms, and how to best approach and treat people with each.”
“Let's say I'm having a panic attack,” Navarro continued. “I might be curled up and swaying, heart racing, my vision is magnified. I can't manage to think straight and I am completely vulnerable with fear and unable to use my words. ... I wouldn't be able to tell them to put the gun down. The next thing I could do is motion or try to stop them myself. Given my inability to speak or think straight, I might unintentionally rush at the person out of desperation. The person holding the gun may have never experienced a panic attack. They might not even know what that is. They just think I'm rushing over to take the gun and attack them and release fire.”
Arkham added that he understands the need to de-escalate tense situations and to increase resources available to the police, including mental health professionals. In his view, however, the central issue for a police officer is making it back home safely. In other words, it’s about “blue lives matter,” he said, in reference to the motto that police advocates have adapted from the Black Lives Matter movement.
“Blue lives matter isn't just about skin color,” said Arkham. “It's about what's in your heart. I've had partners of many different races, backgrounds, religions, creeds and orientations. We make an oath to each other that we're both going home. You watch your partner's back, and he watches yours.”
Arkham said he believes Black lives matter, but he argues that this needs to include all Black lives: Not only those killed by law enforcement, but also those who are living disadvantaged lives, many of whom he says he tries to help.
Burkhalter, the former NYPD detective, sees the “blue lives matter” moniker as a distraction.
“There would be no one saying blue lives matter or all lives matter had not there not been a Black Lives Matter movement,” he said. “So it's somewhat of an antagonistic phrase. Of course blue lives matter. I was a cop for 20 years. The lives of police officers matter. I don't believe that is at issue. And I don't believe that you have a large swath of the public who are going around thinking that the lives of police do not matter. The issue here is the proliferation of killings of Black persons at the hands of law enforcement.”
He added. “The slogan Black Lives Matter, the movement, was meant to bring attention to that particular aspect. There is no deficit of sympathy in this country for police officers who are being harmed — and rightly so.”
The officer from Southern California shared these sentiments.
“I don’t believe in blue lives matter,” the officer said. “Blue lives came after Black Lives Matter. It’s a story of inclusion not exclusion. … To other cops, we’re all just cops. But things are different for me outside of this uniform.”
The officer said that once he leaves work and changes out of his uniform, he’s subject to the same kind of profiling as any other Black man, if he’s stopped by another police officer.
“That’s my problem with blue lives matter,” he said. “When you are off, you don’t have the complexion to get a break. Ultimately, you change police culture, you change American culture.”
Note there is a video of Officer Arkham speaking to Yahoo at the link, I can't find a code to embed it. He's tweeted a lot more on topic since the original tweet, here is his feed:
He's proudly conservative and has strong opinions, but he is not as obstreperous as he makes himself sound-the self-description is rather facetious-he just talks straight; here are examples of three other related tweets:
Lesson learned this week:
Don’t try to use logic and reasoning against the BLM/DefundThePolice crowd.
They’ll purposely misinterpret what you say to them and then cry victimhood.
Oh, and black folk can be racist towards other black folk. Please don’t tell my family...
— Zeek Arkham (Trunalimunumaprzure) (@CopWithAttitude) October 30, 2020
What makes you think that cops only kill? Because that’s all the media chooses to show? I’ve de-escalated more situations than I can count. I’ve been able to talk down all sorts of potentially violent situations. That’s not newsworthy, though.
Many Blacks in the community have been harassed by police
Amid nationwide protests against racial bias in law enforcement and beyond, a new KFF poll finds that the vast majority (71%) of Black Americans say they’ve experienced some form of racial discrimination or mistreatment during their lifetimes – including nearly half (48%) who say at one point that they felt their life was in danger because of their race.
When asked about interactions with law enforcement during their lifetimes, 4 in 10 (41%) Black Americans say they have been stopped or detained by police because of their race, and 1 in 5 Black adults (21%), including 3 in 10 Black men, say they have been a victim of police violence. A third as many Hispanics (8%) and relatively few Whites (3%) report such negative interactions with police over their lifetimes
People who feel that way need to run and vote for local officials who want to accomplish that. It has very little to do with national politicians. All this national protest glumping all these together as if it could be solved nationally is nonsense.
Right now with this Philadelphia instance you have plenty of evidence how local it is. All police there do not have tasers or taser training because allocated money was diverted. Now the City Council says they are happy to do it. Similar problems with getting correct training and help with mentally ill.
Each city is different with different police issues.
Many of the cities having the most trouble have black people running the P.D. and the city departments that handle how they work and who they work with.
It's becoming clearer all the time that tying this thing about unnecessary police violence into national systemic racism is basically delusional BULLSHIT. The problem is that local people have been elected who can't handle reforming the bad police departments they have, which usually include black police.
Racial profiling is one thing, violent treatment of possible perps is another completely. Two separate things.
There are a few issues that can be handled nationally, like police immunity. But not many. It's almost all local. Advocacy for change has to be local, if you're not happy with your police you have to educate the voters about who is in charge of them and how it can be changed.
And realize that even a much improved situation will not prevent all bad outcomes from police activity, that will happen as surely as auto accidents happen. The unfortunate victims will have to sue.
Where Fed politicians have to help now BECAUSE OF COVID is with funds to rescue state and local budgets as most are bankrupt from Covid. THEN If citizens want the priority of those funds to go to reforming police or having more or less police, over other things, they have to vote in local politicians that will do that
No reason to expect national level attention to help a fucking thing in Chicago,for example, hasn't to date for many years. Chicagoans and Philadelphians clearly need to change their local politicians!
Feds can't help beyond attorney general sending FBI or prosecuting after the fact. Too much national focus on problems that can't be solved nationally. Once again, police violence is not the same thing as racial profiling, no reason racial profiling has to end in violence, is apples and oranges problem.
AS OBAMA SAID OCT. 14 From police reform... the officials with the most power to change the issues we care about in our communities are often found at the state and local levels....
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by artappraiser on Tue, 10/27/2020 - 5:06am
by artappraiser on Tue, 10/27/2020 - 3:05pm
Watch out getting stabbed... <snidely stated>
In May 1999, two of LAPDs dumbest, shot and killed a known mentally unstable neighborhood transient female named Margaret Mitchell on suspicion of possessing a stolen shopping cart and then brandishing a 12-inch long screwdriver. In broad daylight.
And on Nov 1999 the big dawg finally weighed... Statement by Chief Parks on Margaret Mitchell Incident
[https://www.lapdonline.org/november_1999/news_view/28520 - PP]
Then in Dec 15, 2000 L.A. paid $1 million for police shooting death of homeless woman
Then in June 2003 the cop was aquited by both federal and county grand juries.
Stay smart.
Be safe…
!!VOTE!!
~OGD~
by oldenGoldenDecoy on Tue, 10/27/2020 - 6:07pm
Interesting side issue came from looking at your links. I see that Leo Terrell was the one representing Mitchell's family for recompense of their loss back in 2000 and now he's doing stuff like this for Fox News and other right wing spin outfits. Wondering when the switcheroo happened and why...not that I'm going to research it, not wondering that much...
by artappraiser on Tue, 10/27/2020 - 7:49pm
Sigh, big time looting in Philly (just what we need right before the election, if it keeps up, watch NJ go red):
by artappraiser on Tue, 10/27/2020 - 8:53pm
here's Sean Hannity & Jack Posobiec right on it, natch:
Probably got someone watching social media full time for any similar "breaking".
by artappraiser on Tue, 10/27/2020 - 8:56pm
Russia Today tweeting on the Philly looting right away, too, they know what works!
by artappraiser on Tue, 10/27/2020 - 9:09pm
Right wingers just love it when there's rioting or looting, they've got YouTube channels set up and waiting for the next vid to come out:
by artappraiser on Tue, 10/27/2020 - 9:13pm
Democrats just aren't spinning this the right way. The mayor needs to go on tv and announce that in cooperation with Walmart the city of Philadelphia has decided to pay reparations for slavery. I'm sure they can get some BLM leaders who claim looting is reparations to come on and thank the mayor.
by ocean-kat on Tue, 10/27/2020 - 9:14pm
by artappraiser on Wed, 10/28/2020 - 1:09am
I am seeing comments that "rioting" is also supposedly breaking out in D.C. tonight as well, following protests over the killing of Koran Hylton. though I haven't seen much on it yet:
by artappraiser on Tue, 10/27/2020 - 9:03pm
Statement from Biden & Harris addresses the looting and violence:
He tweeted a link to it like this:
by artappraiser on Wed, 10/28/2020 - 1:18am
just saw on rerun on TV, Wallace's father, Walter Wallace Sr. and the family's attorney appeared on CNN. Though clearly not used to talking in public, his father so incredibly eloquently and with great reasoning spoke against the rioting and looting and asked for it to stop, so that this would not be associated with his son's name but also because it is a destruction of their own community which needs those businesses. He also said he had faith in our justice system! He is one cool head. I was very impressed, he could be my dad anytime.
by artappraiser on Wed, 10/28/2020 - 2:13am
The officers did not have tasers.
We have seen footage from the U.K. where people with knives can be controlled without firing a shot
We have to do better.
West Philly is where a Black mayor authorized dropping a bomb. That history is not forgotten
From Vox 08/19
https://www.vox.com/the-highlight/2019/8/8/20747198/philadelphia-bombing-1985-move
Protests usually begin peacefully, then criminals take advantage.
To prevent the protests, we need better trained and equipped police.
Police unions are often a big obstacle to police reform
The head of the Philadelphia FOP says the officers did things by the book.
The book has to change.
by rmrd0000 on Wed, 10/28/2020 - 8:56am
De-escalation training
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/deescalation-training-police/2020/10/27/3a345830-14a8-11eb-ad6f-36c93e6e94fb_story.html
by rmrd0000 on Wed, 10/28/2020 - 9:32am
Philadelphia police discover van loaded with explosives, suspicious equipment
By Dann Cuellar @ local ABC station news, WPVI.com, Updated 28 minutes ago, video report
by artappraiser on Thu, 10/29/2020 - 2:37am
by artappraiser on Thu, 10/29/2020 - 2:41am
by PeraclesPlease on Thu, 10/29/2020 - 5:43am
There is a surge in crime. No one knows why. In West Philly, the response to crime was to drop a bomb. When Blacks complained of crime, the result was mass incarceration via the 1994 Crime Bill. Don't expect a similar plea for responding to crime in 2020.
When police departments are criticized, they pull back. They feel zero empathy for the community. If they are not allowed to fuck up at will, they complain.
.Edited
initially red drop a mob
changed to drop a bomb
by rmrd0000 on Thu, 10/29/2020 - 12:22pm
No one knows why. ? It shouldn't be rocket science to anyone who reads the news rigorously and doesn't cherry pick for one p.o.v.
The current "surge" is all in gun violence, shootings with guns. Nothing else (yet! there are signs other kinds of crime may start surging soon, like robbery, theft, carjacking....)
During ramifications of coronavirus lockdown--high stress, stuck in lockdown, losing jobs, no money. At the same time,"George Floyd" revival of BLM happened. With tons of protests that kept cops busy, including the more radical pushing against curfews all of which kept cops away from doing their regular work. Then there was this concurrent result, the kicker
There's only so many cops in a city at any one time. If a whole bunch of people decide to start looting or rioting at like at 20 locations, they simply cannot handle it and their regular work.
It would have helped if we had a president who made fighting coronavirus a unified national reaction like the reaction to the attacks of 9/11, where we all come together. And same thing with the related mass hysteria reaction to the George Floyd video when people were in lockdown over coronavirus at the same time.
Unfortunately, we didn't have that. Instead we had a president who stoked tribal divisions further. And some protesters who want to stoke those as well for differing reasons.
I find it tragic that too many in this country don't seem to be able to unify against a common enemy (in this case, coronavirus) without a strong national leader telling them what to do. The tribal-stoking idiocy of the Trump administration shouldn't have mattered as much as it does when a virus is the main enemy.
And then more people went out and bought guns. And now we have to deal with those many more guns in the hands of citizens and being traded on the streets for a very long time.
It's a second epidemic that will be very difficult to solve now. A President Biden is going to have big problems because all of those extra guns are out there now, and so will inner cities.
by artappraiser on Thu, 10/29/2020 - 4:27pm
Spoken from your bubble
https://www.vox.com/2020/8/3/21334149/murders-crime-shootings-protests-riots-trump-biden
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/06/upshot/murders-rising-crime-coronavirus.html
There is no consensus on why crime dropped, even during a recession. There is no consensus on why crime is piking now. I'm not cherry-picking, I'm following the experts.
Four theories on why homicides are spiking. Theories, not undisputed causes.
https://www.usnews.com/news/cities/articles/2020-08-06/4-theories-about-why-homicides-are-spiking-in-us-cities
Crime is down during COVID, but shootings are up.
https://www.npr.org/2020/07/20/892418244/crime-has-declined-overall-during-the-pandemic-but-shootings-and-killings-are-up
There are multiple variables, but no consensus.
But, you have all the answers.
by rmrd0000 on Thu, 10/29/2020 - 4:59pm
I would love to know a definition of the bubble you think I am in. I live in the Bronx. But you clearly avoid saying anything about yourself or where you live for some strange reason. (Except that you have in the past claimed to be representative of "the black community", something with which I am sure my black relatives across the country and my black neighbors would not agree.
You are now in this comment doing something you often do, changing the topic from the actual facts cited by many of this year's crime surge being exclusively about gun violence to long term crime problems plaguing certain inner cities and not others.
BTW, in NYC, a reminder we had basically SOLVED the latter problem until now. NYC was far far far safer than like Chicago or Milwaukee all through the Bloomberg years and before. It's not rocket science, it's really not. It was solved here in NYC, we proved it. No one should have to live like we did here in the 80's and no one should have to live like they still do in Milwaukee, Chicago or Baltimore. It does not take reforming police to accomplish that. Reforming police did not happen-many NYPD are still assholes like they were before--but crime basically disappeared and for a very long time. And I mean disappeared, I mean not having to lock your car or your back door, I mean a woman alone walking on empty streets of the Bronx in the middle of the night unassaulted, and I mean no one being afraid of anyone else on the subway. It is possible, we had it until this year.
by artappraiser on Thu, 10/29/2020 - 5:21pm
by artappraiser on Thu, 10/29/2020 - 11:04pm
Fact check: Trump falsely claims Biden has refused to condemn Philadelphia violence
By Daniel Dale, CNN, Updated 8:49 PM ET, Thu October 29, 2020
by artappraiser on Fri, 10/30/2020 - 12:16am
The looting affected over 200 businesses, including ones owned by blacks:
Businesses left reeling after being targeted by looters
by artappraiser on Fri, 10/30/2020 - 11:21pm
National Guard arrives as city renews 9 p.m. curfew on Friday
By Michael D’Onofrio, Philly Tribune Staff Writer, 9 hrs ago, with photo
by artappraiser on Fri, 10/30/2020 - 11:24pm
City Council looks to boost police funding to purchase Tasers
By Michael D’Onofrio, Philly Tribune Staff Writer, Oct 28, 2020, with photo showing press conference
(I find it unfortunate to have to note this but necessary considering the circumstances: The City Council president and his colleagues presenting the conference in the photo are all black.)
by artappraiser on Fri, 10/30/2020 - 11:32pm
Wallace’s family has reportedly said he had a bipolar disorder and they called 911 that day for an ambulance — not a police response.
Just to point out the obvious, what did the family think paramedics in that ambulance were going to do with a man with a knife? Paramedics have limited medical training to stabilize a person in an emergency situation enough to rush him to the hospital for treatment by more well trained medical professionals, doctors and nurses. They can stop the bleeding, perform cpr, remove obstructions from the airway etc. When confronted by a man with a knife the first thing they're going to do is call the police. What ever the family wanted the person taking the 911 call would have been trained to send the police the moment some one mentioned the person had a knife.
by ocean-kat on Sun, 11/01/2020 - 1:50pm
two different black cops' opinions on what happened and on "blue lives matter"
‘You change police culture, you change American culture’: Police officers choose sides on killing of Walter Wallace Jr.
by artappraiser on Sun, 11/01/2020 - 11:58am
Note there is a video of Officer Arkham speaking to Yahoo at the link, I can't find a code to embed it. He's tweeted a lot more on topic since the original tweet, here is his feed:
https://twitter.com/CopWithAttitude
He's proudly conservative and has strong opinions, but he is not as obstreperous as he makes himself sound-the self-description is rather facetious-he just talks straight; here are examples of three other related tweets:
by artappraiser on Sun, 11/01/2020 - 12:19pm
Police work for the community
Many Blacks in the community have been harassed by police
Police have to reform and step up their game.
One officer who was on the team that murdered Breonna Taylor is suing her boyfriend for mental distress.
by rmrd0000 on Sun, 11/01/2020 - 3:08pm
People who feel that way need to run and vote for local officials who want to accomplish that. It has very little to do with national politicians. All this national protest glumping all these together as if it could be solved nationally is nonsense.
Right now with this Philadelphia instance you have plenty of evidence how local it is. All police there do not have tasers or taser training because allocated money was diverted. Now the City Council says they are happy to do it. Similar problems with getting correct training and help with mentally ill.
Each city is different with different police issues.
Many of the cities having the most trouble have black people running the P.D. and the city departments that handle how they work and who they work with.
It's becoming clearer all the time that tying this thing about unnecessary police violence into national systemic racism is basically delusional BULLSHIT. The problem is that local people have been elected who can't handle reforming the bad police departments they have, which usually include black police.
Racial profiling is one thing, violent treatment of possible perps is another completely. Two separate things.
There are a few issues that can be handled nationally, like police immunity. But not many. It's almost all local. Advocacy for change has to be local, if you're not happy with your police you have to educate the voters about who is in charge of them and how it can be changed.
And realize that even a much improved situation will not prevent all bad outcomes from police activity, that will happen as surely as auto accidents happen. The unfortunate victims will have to sue.
Where Fed politicians have to help now BECAUSE OF COVID is with funds to rescue state and local budgets as most are bankrupt from Covid. THEN If citizens want the priority of those funds to go to reforming police or having more or less police, over other things, they have to vote in local politicians that will do that
No reason to expect national level attention to help a fucking thing in Chicago,for example, hasn't to date for many years. Chicagoans and Philadelphians clearly need to change their local politicians!
Feds can't help beyond attorney general sending FBI or prosecuting after the fact. Too much national focus on problems that can't be solved nationally. Once again, police violence is not the same thing as racial profiling, no reason racial profiling has to end in violence, is apples and oranges problem.
AS OBAMA SAID OCT. 14 From police reform... the officials with the most power to change the issues we care about in our communities are often found at the state and local levels....
by artappraiser on Sun, 11/01/2020 - 3:50pm
People feel harassed by law enforcement that is not BULLSHIT.
This includes the feelings of law abiding citizens.
The majority of people stopped by NYPD's Stop and Frisk were not criminals.
Police departments have to take responsibility for reform.
Police chiefs should put cameras and tasers into their budgets.
Edit to add:
Distrust of the police was there before COVID
Police abuse was there before COVID
Police leadership and unions blocking progress was there before COVID
by rmrd0000 on Sun, 11/01/2020 - 7:12pm
Also the audios of the 911 calls, which are equally interesting.
by artappraiser on Wed, 11/04/2020 - 11:51pm