Haranguing Schumer for the TV cameras

By artappraiser on Tue, 12/11/2018 - 12:56pm |

Trump gives the Democrats the best soundbite they could possibly hope for: "Yes, if we don't get what we want...I will shut down the government. ... I will take the mantle. I will be the one to shut it down. I'm not going to blame you for it." pic.twitter.com/e4xbjlMvwj
— David Mack (@davidmackau) December 11, 2018

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the longer version with the calmer Pelosi prequel, with her he even says "we're doing this in a very friendly manner"

This is so hard to watch

Two serious politicians debating with a known criminal whether the U.S. should bankrupt itself building a giant wall, an 1118 A.D. solution to a 2018 A.D. situation https://t.co/eLN5l1dgIc
— Seth Abramson (@SethAbramson) December 11, 2018

by artappraiser on Tue, 12/11/2018 - 1:02pm

Senator Graham adds his two cents on Twitter, and offers bargaining ideas, including with hashtag #DigIn:

Great job sticking to your guns on border security, Mr. President!
— Lindsey Graham (@LindseyGrahamSC) December 11, 2018

You are right to want more border security funding including Wall money.

They are WRONG to say no.
— Lindsey Graham (@LindseyGrahamSC) December 11, 2018

Put DACA on the table and make them say NO to the Wall and DACA. #DigIn
— Lindsey Graham (@LindseyGrahamSC) December 11, 2018

by artappraiser on Tue, 12/11/2018 - 1:18pm

Joint Pelosi/Schumer statement post-WH meeting: pic.twitter.com/ZaWxnRY9JP
— Phil Mattingly (@Phil_Mattingly) December 11, 2018

by artappraiser on Tue, 12/11/2018 - 1:28pm

Haha, @NancyPelosi on why the Trump meeting was private: "We didn't want to say, in front of those people, 'You don't know what you're talking about'." pic.twitter.com/O76QVDHm0W
— Tommy Keep Christ In Xtopher (@tommyxtopher) December 11, 2018

by artappraiser on Tue, 12/11/2018 - 2:38pm

HOUSE REPUBLICANS are now considering putting a bill on the floor to spend $5 billion on a border wall — a way to back trump up. Leadership thinks it can pass. @BresPolitico and I both hearing this.
— Jake Sherman (@JakeSherman) December 11, 2018

Pelosi did tell Trump, if you think you got the votes, then do it. She seemed to think he did not have the votes. https://t.co/4KDtQqxG8x
— Laura Rozen (@lrozen) December 11, 2018

In a way Trump successfully forced this, because now the ones from majority Trump fan districts have a need to get on the record with a vote.

by artappraiser on Tue, 12/11/2018 - 2:44pm

Jennifer Rubin thinks Trump just lost the shutdown debate

Ironically, it was Democrats who tried to spare Trump the embarrassment. (“Pelosi and Schumer repeatedly sought to end the open press portion of the meeting," CNN reports, "telling the President they should debate in private, not in front of the cameras. ‘Let us have our conversation and then we can meet with the press again,’ Pelosi said.”)

It was an extraordinary moment when Trump not only lost the high ground as president but made Democrats look like the grown-ups. ("The American people recognize that we must keep government open, that a shutdown is not worth anything, and that we should not have a Trump shutdown,” Pelosi said, sounding more like a president than the actual president.)

As if that was not enough, Trump declared, “I am proud to shut down the government for border security, Chuck.” Schumer was on solid ground later describing Trump’s performance as a “temper tantrum." In a terse written statement, Pelosi and Schumer said,“We gave the President two options that would keep the government open. It’s his choice to accept one of those options or shut the government down.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2018/12/11/trump-has-already-lost-shutdown-fight/?utm_term=.830d2d193703

by rmrd0000 on Tue, 12/11/2018 - 2:47pm

.@NancyPelosi returned from the WH meeting with the president today and went STRAIGHT for the most sensitive part of Trump’s ego: his masculinity.

“It’s like a manhood thing with him — as if manhood can be associated with him,” she told her colleagues just now.
— Rachael Bade (@rachaelmbade) December 11, 2018

This is an important big picture thing, too. It gets to a lot of discussions here in the past about Hillary not being treated like a man.

For both better and for worse, depending on the situation, female leaders do this thing.Even if the leadership is only wife of a family. Hit me right away watching the longer video version. I immediately saw how Schumer just went straight out mano a mano with him, hitting him where he knew it would be taken as an insult, playing with emotions. After Pelosi had tried the de-escalation, the respectful manipulation, the appeal to the rational calm, i.e., recognize him as alpha, and then manipulate him. (Comedians have long played this correctly by referring sarcastically to "the little woman" actually running things.)

It's ironic that women have somehow gotten the label of "too emotional"--have never gotten where that comes from--which makes no sense because what they have actually been trained to do by their upbringing is the opposite: to get men to calm down, back off, and think.

A reminder about this article, she may have seen it: HOW DONALD TRUMP APPEALS TO MEN SECRETLY INSECURE ABOUT THEIR MANHOOD

by artappraiser on Tue, 12/11/2018 - 3:16pm

food for thought along same lines:

This is a fascinating insight. https://t.co/royAy9t4mi
— Steve Silberman (@stevesilberman) December 11, 2018

by artappraiser on Tue, 12/11/2018 - 4:03pm

Would like to add that tempering this whole point is that it's already been noted in the media in the past that Trump and Schumer like to play NYC "in yo face" type arguing when they are together. Which is in sort of a category of its own. (Comes to mind Scarramucci actually got 15 min. of fame by doing it facetiously.)

by artappraiser on Tue, 12/11/2018 - 7:28pm

fwiw I just caught this only because art critic Jerry Saltz retweeted it:

When you nail that presentation you’ve been working on pic.twitter.com/GgeAFLy7q9
— Millennial Politics (@MillenPolitics) December 11, 2018

by artappraiser on Wed, 12/12/2018 - 1:28am

At nearly 80, Nancy spreads her wings.

by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 12/12/2018 - 1:50am

Hopefully, this will start to change; from the 2018 exit pollls

Pelosi Thirty-one percent of voters had a favorable opinion of Nancy Pelosi, and 56% an unfavorable one.

These are people who actually are interested enough in politics to vote, so they are not falling for every Fox meant-to-go viral smear as the general public.

CNN got similar in a post election poll of "Democrats": CNN poll: Less than half of Democrats want Pelosi as the party's leader

Even though I was trying to make a distinction between her and Hillary on your Hillary thread, she's pretty much got a similar unfavorable problem. She's not running for prez though, so it's not as important. And people just don't know as much about her history as they do about Hillary, so her image would be easier to change over the next months.

by artappraiser on Wed, 12/12/2018 - 12:29pm

what the ACLU thinks:

This is a BIG win. If we keep the pressure on, we'll stop Trump's border wall once and for all. https://t.co/lXOXDGr2AO
— ACLU (@ACLU) December 11, 2018

by artappraiser on Tue, 12/11/2018 - 4:09pm

So if this leak is to believed, Trump was not intentionally doing a performance for the cameras but having the temper tantrum of a two year old:

Trump will never do well when he's caught on video with normal adults in the room telling him to his face that he's completely full of shit. It breaks the Narcissistic Spell. https://t.co/HXdR66kDWA
— Steve Silberman (@stevesilberman) December 11, 2018

Also, am told very little of substance took place after the pool cameras were finally ushered out. “Once the president has been aggravated to that level, there’s no coming back from that and re-focusing.“
— Eli Stokols (@EliStokols) December 11, 2018

by artappraiser on Tue, 12/11/2018 - 7:52pm

Two different reporter personalities.

making fun:

He was in his happy place https://t.co/WzZmzIQsvm
— Glenn Thrush (@GlennThrush) December 12, 2018

and not:

Schumer refusal to look at Trump is quite something. https://t.co/JJSQoqZccH
— Maggie Haberman (@maggieNYT) December 12, 2018

by artappraiser on Tue, 12/11/2018 - 7:57pm

In all fairness to Trump I support that he allows his pet to sit on the furniture. That's a level of empathy and kindness one wouldn't expect from Trump. Also that he took the time to train his pet to sit quietly and not bother anyone by jumping up and making any noise.

by ocean-kat on Wed, 12/12/2018 - 4:23pm

I ran across a bunch of people the other day tweeting about how they don't trust Trump because he's not a dog person and never had a dog. You shoulda been there challenging them.

by artappraiser on Thu, 12/13/2018 - 2:19am

While Trump would enjoy the subservience of a dog and the loyalty no matter how badly a dog is treated a dog has certain emotional needs Trump could never supply. Keeping Pence as a pet is something Trump can handle as you get all the subservience without any of the needs. Pence is a good boy, yes he is, a very good boy.

by ocean-kat on Thu, 12/13/2018 - 4:34pm

I don't know it it was a refusal to look. The rictus of his smile telegraphed that he was on the edge of his control.

Compare the others' posture to Pelosi's. She turned the couch into a stool.

If one can help it, never take a meeting with an adversary when they get to sit in a chair while you are sinking into a sofa.

by moat on Wed, 12/12/2018 - 5:39pm

sofa thing is so true. impossible to do body language from one unless you're trying to say one of two things: go away, I want to zone out or take a nap, or: come here and let's canoodle

by artappraiser on Thu, 12/13/2018 - 2:22am

Prolly fended off a date rape or two in her time as well.

by PeraclesPlease on Thu, 12/13/2018 - 2:53am

Nancy Pelosi looked more Presidential than Schumer and Trump.

Edit to add:

Pelosi called the President a liar, and Trump was not bright enough to pick up on her comment about his lack of facts.

by rmrd0000 on Tue, 12/11/2018 - 8:09pm

On the whole assertiveness/aggressiveness thing, this strikes me as not even funny because it just rings true (I was reminded by watching part of an appearance she made on Fox the other day)

Fuck the wall just put Ann Coulter at the border and no one will want to come here.
— Tony Posnanski (@tonyposnanski) December 12, 2018

It's like the word "harridan" was invented to describe her.

by artappraiser on Thu, 12/13/2018 - 6:53pm

People in the White House who understood his comments were disastrous for him stepped in https://t.co/RgG6csAri3
— Maggie Haberman (@maggieNYT) December 14, 2018

by artappraiser on Fri, 12/14/2018 - 3:30am

Sarah in press conference is backing down for Trump, but arta sez: be careful, just because she suggests, doesn't mean he will

White House signals it wants to avoid government shutdown over border wall

US news 51 minutes ago

Press Secretary Sarah Sanders indicated that the White House wants to avoid a partial government shutdown and has found other ways to get funding for the border wall President Trump has been pushing for.

by artappraiser on Tue, 12/18/2018 - 12:15pm

Haranguing Schumer for the TV cameras

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