....The concept is also starting to percolate with politicians, with New York City mayoral hopeful — and techie — Andrew Yang making it part of his platform....
What if an app could take you back to normal life — or at least take you into a restaurant? It’s not a time machine. Tech companies are working on tech to verify who’s gotten a vaccine — a sort of “passport” back into crowded spaces https://t.co/IG7pJUAimIpic.twitter.com/IC61u7KdOj
With no nationwide plan for distributing coronavirus vaccines, people are scrambling to other states. Some health officials, saying greater immunity is the goal, aren’t standing in the way.
When Chanel Maronge saw on Facebook that she was eligible to get a Covid-19 vaccine, she seized the opportunity. The only catch? She had to cross the state line to Mississippi last week, driving an hour and a half from her home in Baton Rouge, La., to get her first shot.
“The idea of having to wait an unlimited amount of time in Louisiana to get a vaccine just didn’t work for us,” said Ms. Maronge, 37, a school librarian who has hypertension. Her husband, who has diabetes, and both her parents were able to get vaccinated along with her in McComb, Miss.
With overwhelming demand in the early months of the vaccine rollout, thousands of Americans are crossing state lines on quests for doses. The scramble to get inoculated has turned attention to the patchwork of vaccination rules devised by states, given a lack of national, standardized protocols.
With states varying widely in prioritizing who can get shots, “vaccine hunter” groups, which scour the country for places where people qualify for the vaccine, have sprung into action on social media. That has public health officials grappling with how to handle pandemic travelers: Should strict rules be followed, turning away all outsiders, or should as many shots be administered as possible, even if some may go to people from other places
“The federal government has created this ‘Hunger Games’ scenario where people are out there doing everything they can to get to the front of as many lines as they possibly can,” said Dr. Francisco García, director of the Pima County Health Department in Tucson, Ariz. “The limited vaccine supply provokes even more anxiety because people are trying to get their hands on a very rare commodity.” [....]
This sure-to-happen phenomenon is one reason I couldn't believe all the social engineering crap at the start about basically trying to entice reluctant minority populations to get it. It struck me as: absurd!
Just let it become hip and they'll be there. Right now the thing is: numbers, massive numbers any class, color , ethnicity or creed of human.
It's a whole different thing when it's a immunization that masses have already accepted, i.e. MMR or flu. It's not cool anymore to get it, it's just another required drudgery.
This one is for a disease that's rampant everywhere and uncontrolled nearly everywhere and has affected every single life on the planet. Just vaccinate whoever wants it, for chrissake, worry about the reluctants later. The reluctants will be much better protected if everybody else that wants one is vaccinated until they can be convinced. Do we have massive measles outbreaks these days, or pockets of outbreaks? That's the point.
Those bio-ethicists need to take a break and volunteer to administer shots or get on the plant assembly lines...
summary excerpt from end of the article-as many numbers of humans as possible is URGENT, that's the sensible priority, way over any other:
Public health experts agree. Dr. Peter Hotez, a vaccine scientist at the National School of Tropical Medicine at Baylor College of Medicine, said he viewed the notion that people were cutting lines as a false construct. As new variants of the virus threaten to reverse progress in slowing Covid-19 cases, Dr. Hotez said that anybody who was able to get a vaccine should — even if that meant going across state lines.
“We have to stop stigmatizing people who get vaccinated,” Dr. Hotez said.
“We need to get to a situation pretty quickly where anybody who wakes up in the morning could get vaccinated by that afternoon,” he said. “If we don’t get there, we’re going to lose. We’re going to be deluged with these variants.”
Time is truly of the essence, it has to be crushed now or it's going to be an awful spring; see whole thread starting here:
⚠️TWO DIFFERENT #COVID19 PANDEMICS—Many think with cases dropping that pandemic is nearly over. But truth is, there are now 2 different #SARSCoV2 pandemics diverging—old strain is waning, while the more contagious #B117 strain is dominating. We will be soon slammed very hard. pic.twitter.com/AQjQ79I7sk
26) BOTTOMLINE: unless we can mass vaccinate quickly like Israel (which is still not 1/3 of the way done), we must continue to mitigate with *premium* masks preferably and with airborne virus precautions to ventilate.
great video report on how, nationwide, so far for seniors getting a slot for vaccination can be a lot like The Hunger Games
While most Americans continue to wait for COVID-19 vaccinations, some states are now reporting that thousands of people who’ve received their initial shots are overdue for the follow-up. @gabegutierrez reports from Yankee Stadium, where a mass vaccination site is set to open. pic.twitter.com/wKSsgwH2ks
"This pandemic is the first global crisis since World War II in which American leadership has been absent. Europe, united and purposeful, could have filled the vacuum," writes @SylvieKauffmann. "But so far the opportunity has been badly missed." https://t.co/Q5bx0yzZ0G nytopinion
Just got vaccinated at Dodger Stadium. I want to say thanks to all the incredible people making it possible. They’re vaccinating up to 10,000 people today. That’s a lot of exposure, concentration, & time in the sun.@CoreResponse is doing us all a tremendous service.
Thank you! pic.twitter.com/pd2LCTUNVW
JOAN AGUIAR, of Orland, California, died of COVID on Jan. 26, 2021.
"She worked as a meat cutter & later became trained as a Hospice volunteer at Enloe Hospital. She was beautiful inside & out and the most sweet & caring person anyone could ever meet."https://t.co/HX4D8hVM7xpic.twitter.com/jbZOTNxC1b
DR. ALI FARSHIDI of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania died of COVID on Jan. 28.
He "worked tirelessly to save the lives of COVID patients...He leaves behind his 10 year old daughter who was the light of his life & his mother who loves him more than anything." pic.twitter.com/m8eKWtOaoC
Dr. Luciana Borio, an infectious disease physician who was a member of the Biden-Harris transition team’s COVID-19 advisory board, put it more bluntly at a congressional hearing on Feb. 3. “Our worst days could be ahead of us,” she said. https://t.co/uQdjrt0I1d
BREAKING—South Africa halted use of the AstraZeneca-Oxford #COVID19 vaccine on Sunday after evidence emerged that it did not protect participants from mild or moderate illness caused by the #B1351 variant that was first seen there. https://t.co/7KMCBEX0i2
I would phrase it more like this: the goal is to achieve some wide immunity as quickly as possible in order to put a big damper on these kind of mutations that are both far more transmissable and more deadly. Combo of lockdown and vaccination is working on the UK mutation.
Dr. Atul Gawande retweeted this, and I take have learned to take his opinion with a great deal of weight
News media when reporting on the J&J vaccine routinely mention it is less effective than the mRNA vaccines. But for the endpoints that matter the most- hospitalizations and deaths- they are all equally highly effective. pic.twitter.com/8oFhcPSJyx
Still, I am thinking he is thinking of greater good and reaching some herd immunity, I am still not convinced that J&J would be the wise choice for every individual. Smart people who believe in taking responsibility for their own health will dig further.
(Guess it should be noted that he may also be thinking that, as retweeting does not always mean endorsement, just more data...)
Damnit, why Florida, why?!?! Don’t you know the new more infectious #B117 variant is spreading the fastest already in Florida? Doubling every 9 days there. #COVID19pic.twitter.com/5Wlxiuq9O4
Mutants spreading like crazy, see his thread (we may end up traveling less for a while than we have for millennia!)
OUTBREAK OF #B1351 VARIANT IN AUSTRIA —B1351 variant now identified in 293 cases in western Austria state of Tyrol—at least 140 active cases. Germany is considering closing the border to Tyrol. Austria govt has issued urgent travel warning. #COVID19https://t.co/87oqfd8XJ8
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One way or another, it's on its way to becoming a status symbol and it was bound to happen--
‘Vaccine Hunters’ Cross State Lines in Search of Shots
With no nationwide plan for distributing coronavirus vaccines, people are scrambling to other states. Some health officials, saying greater immunity is the goal, aren’t standing in the way.
By Simon Romero, Amy Harmon, Lucy Tompkins and Giulia McDonnell Nieto del Rio @ NYTimes.com, Feb. 4, 2021, 7:12 p.m. ET
This sure-to-happen phenomenon is one reason I couldn't believe all the social engineering crap at the start about basically trying to entice reluctant minority populations to get it. It struck me as: absurd!
Just let it become hip and they'll be there. Right now the thing is: numbers, massive numbers any class, color , ethnicity or creed of human.
It's a whole different thing when it's a immunization that masses have already accepted, i.e. MMR or flu. It's not cool anymore to get it, it's just another required drudgery.
This one is for a disease that's rampant everywhere and uncontrolled nearly everywhere and has affected every single life on the planet. Just vaccinate whoever wants it, for chrissake, worry about the reluctants later. The reluctants will be much better protected if everybody else that wants one is vaccinated until they can be convinced. Do we have massive measles outbreaks these days, or pockets of outbreaks? That's the point.
Those bio-ethicists need to take a break and volunteer to administer shots or get on the plant assembly lines...
by artappraiser on Thu, 02/04/2021 - 7:39pm
summary excerpt from end of the article-as many numbers of humans as possible is URGENT, that's the sensible priority, way over any other:
by artappraiser on Thu, 02/04/2021 - 7:56pm
Time is truly of the essence, it has to be crushed now or it's going to be an awful spring; see whole thread starting here:
by artappraiser on Fri, 02/05/2021 - 1:15am
by artappraiser on Fri, 02/05/2021 - 3:26am
great video report on how, nationwide, so far for seniors getting a slot for vaccination can be a lot like The Hunger Games
by artappraiser on Fri, 02/05/2021 - 12:57am
by artappraiser on Fri, 02/05/2021 - 2:51am
by artappraiser on Fri, 02/05/2021 - 3:15am
by artappraiser on Fri, 02/05/2021 - 5:16pm
by artappraiser on Sat, 02/06/2021 - 1:07am
counting vaccinations on the path to immunity:
by artappraiser on Sat, 02/06/2021 - 1:54am
getting there?
by artappraiser on Sat, 02/06/2021 - 11:49pm
by artappraiser on Sat, 02/06/2021 - 11:43pm
by artappraiser on Sun, 02/07/2021 - 12:44am
by artappraiser on Sun, 02/07/2021 - 4:19pm
The goal is shifting to preventing severe disease and death.
by rmrd0000 on Sun, 02/07/2021 - 4:23pm
I would phrase it more like this: the goal is to achieve some wide immunity as quickly as possible in order to put a big damper on these kind of mutations that are both far more transmissable and more deadly. Combo of lockdown and vaccination is working on the UK mutation.
by artappraiser on Sun, 02/07/2021 - 4:50pm
Ezra's on board with confusion:
by artappraiser on Sun, 02/07/2021 - 6:29pm
Dr. Atul Gawande retweeted this, and I take have learned to take his opinion with a great deal of weight
Still, I am thinking he is thinking of greater good and reaching some herd immunity, I am still not convinced that J&J would be the wise choice for every individual. Smart people who believe in taking responsibility for their own health will dig further.
(Guess it should be noted that he may also be thinking that, as retweeting does not always mean endorsement, just more data...)
by artappraiser on Sun, 02/07/2021 - 4:44pm
by artappraiser on Mon, 02/08/2021 - 1:14am
Mutants spreading like crazy, see his thread (we may end up traveling less for a while than we have for millennia!)
by artappraiser on Tue, 02/09/2021 - 3:53am
Like the movie "Alien" for real:
by artappraiser on Tue, 02/09/2021 - 4:57am