MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE
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James Carville: “Wokeness is a problem and we all know it”
By artappraiser on Tue, 04/27/2021 - 2:08pm |Trending quickly on Twitter, you can peruse the reactions here
URL:
https://www.vox.com/22338417/james-carville-democratic-party-biden-100-days
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Myself, I actually like Sean Illing's point here best of all, in his question. This is the current party difference that people too often forget, the MAIN Democratic alternative to the current GOP needs to be BIG TENT! That is the only way to have a "blue wave".
Not one policy or ideology, but encompassing as MANY as possible.. As an outsider, what I see is that one faction in the Democratic party must take care to alienate another, or more people will just chose "Independent" as I myself have done since 1980. Purity tests especially should be anathema. This is the true benefit of "moderation": not pissing a huge segment of voters off. Biden has learned to do this from trial and error process of decades of politics. He knows how to do it far better than Bill Clinton did being president at a young age, he was quite good at it but didn't have real national experience, only southern politics. By the end of his second term he got much better at it, maintaining a high approval rating all through his impeachment, even though he flubbed on the personal lying.
by artappraiser on Tue, 04/27/2021 - 2:26pm
though I see now that Carville is basically saying the same thing here as regards the current demographic situation in the country, when he says "here's the deal":
by artappraiser on Tue, 04/27/2021 - 3:52pm
That era of liberalism was all about privileged white people scolding other white people, and the actual empowerment of other groups of people messes that up - makes him seem as irrelevant and self-serving as him and people like him really are. So of course "woke" is a problem for him.
by Orion on Tue, 04/27/2021 - 9:53pm
James Carville goes off on 'wokeness' - Analysis by Chris Cillizza, CNN Editor-at-large, Updated 6:32 PM ET, Tue April 27
two political scientists:
by artappraiser on Wed, 04/28/2021 - 7:06pm
by artappraiser on Wed, 04/28/2021 - 7:13pm
Bree Newsome has a lot to say on Mr. Carville's rant, as one might imagine; wonder if she realizes the thing about making his point for him
by artappraiser on Wed, 04/28/2021 - 7:24pm
Then there's the Working Families Party:
by artappraiser on Wed, 04/28/2021 - 10:32pm
by artappraiser on Wed, 04/28/2021 - 11:35pm
here's one possible answer to little white snots condescendingly labeling a southern Texas lady LatinX; she's an American and might be prone to go with those that label her as such:
by artappraiser on Mon, 05/03/2021 - 6:10am
by artappraiser on Sat, 05/01/2021 - 4:56pm
by PeraclesPlease on Sat, 05/01/2021 - 5:11pm
by artappraiser on Mon, 05/03/2021 - 2:46am
Oh no, Cornel's gonna become one of the adults in the room?
by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 05/03/2021 - 7:37am
Carville knows all about this, I am sure, could have predicted the results of this election
The Woke REALLY ARE A PROBLEM for Democrats. Except for those very young voters who have already become part of it via their education. About which many parents had no idea was going on until the last few years.
I suspect it does create a generational divide, but only among elite educated's of Americans past second generation. I think the young 2nd generation immigrant population that are in college or graduated college recently, they will probably tend to be less true believers in Wokeness, and more skeptical, as they would have intuited totally different messages at home from their environment growing up.
by artappraiser on Mon, 05/03/2021 - 3:53am
in reply to Jilani, interesting what a Canadian citizen sees in woke white New Yorkers commenting at the NYTimes:
by artappraiser on Mon, 05/03/2021 - 3:14am
CRT running K-12 school curricula is a very hot topic, many centrists and swing types consider it racist; GOP know it's a winner for them to attack that:
by artappraiser on Mon, 05/03/2021 - 4:08am
Conspire + racist = ???
(Jeopardy 2025)
by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 05/03/2021 - 7:30am
(article by Eric Levitz)
Me reposting a cartoon I just recently plopped elsewhere that goes with that
by artappraiser on Mon, 05/03/2021 - 5:55am
btw for those who don't recognize the name, Jeet Heer is a long time columnist for The Nation, so he's quite left.
Here's Friedersdor with similar thoughts:
by artappraiser on Mon, 05/03/2021 - 6:30am
It's starting to read like a cheap porn script. Not that I know anything about that...
by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 05/03/2021 - 7:24am
by artappraiser on Mon, 05/03/2021 - 7:22pm
thread does have replies making serious counterpoints
by artappraiser on Tue, 05/04/2021 - 5:17pm
by artappraiser on Tue, 05/04/2021 - 6:06pm
I just remembered this: Obama basically said the same thing a year and a half ago, that "Woke" culture is childish b.s., counterproductive ("you're not going to get that far") and not reality. So I don't get all the shock and awe hearing it from Carville many moons later:
by artappraiser on Fri, 05/07/2021 - 2:59am
I think the tide may be turning, I see several books like this coming out, including this by a sociologist "of color" at Columbia U.:
Maybe brave of him, we'll see...
by artappraiser on Fri, 05/07/2021 - 3:05am
I'm seeing it even from lefties, that's a key
Could be that the "Woke" CIA recruitment video was the straw that broke the camel's back? (One thing you've got to say for the CIA is that they do good research! They somehow got across nearly every one of the Woke's pets in that video.)
by artappraiser on Fri, 05/07/2021 - 3:26am
Not just the CIA - the KGB (GRU) has been doing it too - just with less fanfare, plus some cheering from the left. The Russia know narratives for sure.
Guy who makes electric cars, batteris, solar practical to solve global warming while putting people in space = horrid capitalist.
Guy who hacks candidates' campaigns, helps undermine peoples' vote, and is in collusion with corrupt oligarchs who steal complete oil companies and carry out political assassinations = "woke journalist"
by PeraclesPlease on Fri, 05/07/2021 - 4:34am
the problem it appears, is that billionaire brands are tribal property, and the white privileged tribe ain't got no respect for their own like the others do?
by artappraiser on Sat, 05/08/2021 - 12:25am
To be fair, i didn't like Musk's tone-deaf comments about masks, but yeah, we whites shouldn't make or break on every damn issue. If I like 70-80% if what someone's about, that's pretty good, no?
by PeraclesPlease on Sat, 05/08/2021 - 1:13am
Carville notes what Democrats have to do to win in the Vox article.
https://www.vox.com/22338417/james-carville-democratic-party-biden-100-days
Democrats need to go on the attack against Republicans. Attacking the "Woke" diverts from that important national message.
by rmrd0000 on Sat, 08/07/2021 - 12:39pm
If Marjorie Taylor Greene can suggest people shoot people who are offering vaccinations and Madison Cawthorn can say that requiring children to wear masks is Wokeness and face no serious backlash the country is already lost. The Woke are not the problem.
by rmrd0000 on Sat, 08/07/2021 - 12:45pm
"the country is already lost" - more hyperbole
by PeraclesPlease on Sat, 08/07/2021 - 3:15pm
If Democrats always cede slogans to the Republicans and cannot effective label Republicans as authoritarians, they will lose elections. They have to reject, rather than accept labels used by Republicans as mischaracterizations. Republicans believe Biden lost the election and that Democrats eat babies. That is a target rich environment Democrats can use to create an image of Republicans.
by rmrd0000 on Sat, 08/07/2021 - 4:26pm
I note for you that some evil GOP Senators are promoting voting for a $1 trillion infrastructure package today, making sure you know because I presume you want to stay pure and have Democrats reject it all. Must not accomplish anything until they are all dead, the Constitution is changed, something along those lines.
Do you really think anyone in this country who actually votes buys your kind of hyperbole instead of just rolling their eyes?
You belong on a SNL skit as a humorless clueless absurdist character
by artappraiser on Tue, 08/10/2021 - 11:51am